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    I wonder if Razib's Indus Periphery reference for that plot is based on an average of the Indus samples or if it's based on the most West Eurasian-shifted one ("Indus Periphery West").
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    I wonder if Razib's Indus Periphery reference for that plot is based on an average of the Indus samples or if it's based on the most West Eurasian-shifted one ("Indus Periphery West").
    Combination of InPe samples.



    Central_Steppe_MLBA related ancestry, Ratio of Central_Steppe_MLBA to Indus_Periphery_Pool related ancestry, Z-score
    Brahmin_Tiwari 0.27 0.55 -7.9
    Bhumihar_Bihar 0.28 0.56 -7.0
    Brahmin_UP 0.26 0.54 -6.4
    Sikh_Jatt 0.26 0.48 -6.2
    Brahmin_Nepal 0.26 0.54 -5.4
    Bhumihar_UP 0.25 0.48 -5.0
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    In the paper there was no archaeological description of samples from Bronze Age Aigyrzhal site in Kyrgyzstan. Some description of this site can be found here: https://www.ucentralasia.org/Content...HU-RP3-Eng.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    In the paper there was no archaeological description of samples from Bronze Age Aigyrzhal site in Kyrgyzstan. Some description of this site can be found here: https://www.ucentralasia.org/Content...HU-RP3-Eng.pdf
    "The Aigyrzhal people, who lived in Naryn in 2200–1900 BC, turned out to be asthenically-built,
    swarthy brunettes with long heads and narrow faces and a sharper contoured profile; they looked like
    a modern Mediterranean. Anthropologists attribute these features to one of the variants of the South
    Europeoid type, since this type comes from the south of Eurasia (Kitov, 2015) ...

    Central Asia at that time was in a zone of resettlement of the two main anthropological types:
    protoeuropeoid from the west and from the north, and south-European (Mediterranean) from the
    southwest. Therefore, Eneolithic cultures like Afanasyev (Siberia) and Pit Grave (Eastern Europe),
    with a relatively high number of common Europeoid elements, are similar to each other, whereas
    Srubnaya and Andronovo culture (Fedorovo) and later Alakul culture all had elements of the south
    Europeoid type in different regards (Solodovnikov, 2014).
    In terms of anthropological type, territory and time, representatives of the Bactrian-Margian
    archaeological complex who lived in the territory of ancient Margush (Margiana) (modern-day
    eastern Turkmenistan, northern Afghanistan, western Tajikistan and southern Uzbekistan) in the years
    2300–1800 BC, forming settlements in small oases surrounded by steppe and the mountain pastoral
    population, are the closest to the two peoples from Naryn (Sarianidi, 2005; Klein, 2007; Dubova et
    al., 2017). The burial posture, crouched on the right side, with the head to the north, also coincides.
    Given the developed architecture of the ancient Bactro-Margian people, it is possible that the walls
    and the pits in Aigyrzhal were built by them, as they had once come from the south of Central Asia.
    ...

    At the same time, there is an opinion that the long-headed, narrow-faced Europeoid type (the variant
    of the south Europeoid type, which is similar to the ancient Aigyrzhal people and the ancient BactroMargian people) belonged to the pre-Andronovo local population
    ...
    The DNA of two buried people from kurgans #67 and #67a of Aigyrzhal-2 site were revealed in a
    recently-published article on the genetics of Eneolithic and Bronze Age populations on the territory
    of Southern and Central Asia. According to the results, these buried people were genetically linked
    to the people of the Botai culture in Eneolithic of Kazakhstan (Narasimhan et al., 2019). But the
    physical type of the buried people from Aigyrzhal-2 site was not similar to the physical type of the
    ancient Botai people. This is another mystery that will require further research if it is to be solved."
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    "The Aigyrzhal people, who lived in Naryn in 2200–1900 BC, turned out to be asthenically-built,
    swarthy brunettes with long heads and narrow faces and a sharper contoured profile; they looked like
    a modern Mediterranean. Anthropologists attribute these features to one of the variants of the South
    Europeoid type, since this type comes from the south of Eurasia (Kitov, 2015) ...

    Central Asia at that time was in a zone of resettlement of the two main anthropological types:
    protoeuropeoid from the west and from the north, and south-European (Mediterranean) from the
    southwest. Therefore, Eneolithic cultures like Afanasyev (Siberia) and Pit Grave (Eastern Europe),
    with a relatively high number of common Europeoid elements, are similar to each other, whereas
    Srubnaya and Andronovo culture (Fedorovo) and later Alakul culture all had elements of the south
    Europeoid type in different regards (Solodovnikov, 2014).
    In terms of anthropological type, territory and time, representatives of the Bactrian-Margian
    archaeological complex who lived in the territory of ancient Margush (Margiana) (modern-day
    eastern Turkmenistan, northern Afghanistan, western Tajikistan and southern Uzbekistan) in the years
    2300–1800 BC, forming settlements in small oases surrounded by steppe and the mountain pastoral
    population, are the closest to the two peoples from Naryn (Sarianidi, 2005; Klein, 2007; Dubova et
    al., 2017). The burial posture, crouched on the right side, with the head to the north, also coincides.
    Given the developed architecture of the ancient Bactro-Margian people, it is possible that the walls
    and the pits in Aigyrzhal were built by them, as they had once come from the south of Central Asia.
    ...

    At the same time, there is an opinion that the long-headed, narrow-faced Europeoid type (the variant
    of the south Europeoid type, which is similar to the ancient Aigyrzhal people and the ancient BactroMargian people) belonged to the pre-Andronovo local population
    ...
    The DNA of two buried people from kurgans #67 and #67a of Aigyrzhal-2 site were revealed in a
    recently-published article on the genetics of Eneolithic and Bronze Age populations on the territory
    of Southern and Central Asia. According to the results, these buried people were genetically linked
    to the people of the Botai culture in Eneolithic of Kazakhstan (Narasimhan et al., 2019). But the
    physical type of the buried people from Aigyrzhal-2 site was not similar to the physical type of the
    ancient Botai people. This is another mystery that will require further research if it is to be solved."
    Aigyrzhal don't seem to have ENA , they are primarily related with Eneolithic Central Asian farmers + a mix of Steppe Eneolithic and WSHG. Though they have IVC ancestry, which is surprising this far north.


    "sample": "KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA:Average",
    "fit": 1.6989,
    "RUS_Afanasievo": 25.83,
    "TJK_Sarazm_En": 24.17,
    "TKM_Geoksyur_En": 23.33,
    "RUS_Tyumen_HG": 14.17,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2": 12.5,
    "Naxi": 0,


    Target: KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA
    Distance: 1.2279% / 0.01227903
    46.4 KAZ_Kumsay_EBA
    42.6 TKM_Geoksyur_En
    11.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2


    "sample": "KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA:Average", pen=0
    "fit": 1.1589,
    "TKM_Geoksyur_En": 40.83,
    "RUS_Afanasievo": 19.17,
    "RUS_Tyumen_HG": 19.17,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2": 11.67,
    "TJK_Sarazm_En": 9.17,
    "RUS_Progress_En": 0,
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Aigyrzhal don't seem to have ENA , they are primarily related with Eneolithic Central Asian farmers + a mix of Steppe Eneolithic and WSHG. Though they have IVC ancestry, which is surprising this far north.


    "sample": "KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA:Average",
    "fit": 1.6989,
    "RUS_Afanasievo": 25.83,
    "TJK_Sarazm_En": 24.17,
    "TKM_Geoksyur_En": 23.33,
    "RUS_Tyumen_HG": 14.17,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2": 12.5,
    "Naxi": 0,


    Target: KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA
    Distance: 1.2279% / 0.01227903
    46.4 KAZ_Kumsay_EBA
    42.6 TKM_Geoksyur_En
    11.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    Interesting to see that at least one of them is J2a as well.

    I11527; 2114-1928 BC; Aigyrzhal; Kyrgyzstan; Aigyrzhal_BA; J2a1h2-L25>F3133>Y15604>Y15601>pre-Y17404

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Interesting to see that at least one of them is J2a as well.

    I11527; 2114-1928 BC; Aigyrzhal; Kyrgyzstan; Aigyrzhal_BA; J2a1h2-L25>F3133>Y15604>Y15601>pre-Y17404
    J2a1h2 is a very IVC uniparental marker, the other sample had R6 as Mtdna , so there was definite mixture with them.

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    We need some Kelteminar Y-DNA.

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