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    Also the N1c1 Xueshan from the Jiangjialiang site (Ye Shang et al 2016).

    https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg2016107

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    This paper also yielded some yDNA haplos, e.g. from Okunevo: Peuplement du sud de la Sibérie et de l'Altaď ŕ l'âge du Bronze : apport de la paléogénétique
    https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-01296484/

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    As far as I understand the 'N1(xN1c, N1c)' samples from Liao civilization weren't really N1*.

    Because I read that in 2014, LLY22g was retired as a defining SNP for Haplogroup N1 and that it was replaced by CTS11499/L735/M2291.

    All studies that have found 'N1' in ancient or modern populations are older (2001 to 2013).

    Correct me if I am wrong.

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    IIUC LLY22g when present does mark N, but is unreliable because it frequently back-mutates. So the reported N1(xN1a, N1c) should be N(xN-M128, N-Tat), insofar as we can trust the results of older aDNA studies. Old N1 is just N which still has LLY22g, and old N*(xN1-LLY22g) is an N subclade (usually under N-F2905) with back-mutated LLYY22g.
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    This 2015 Chinese study on diversity an distribution of downstream branches of N within modern territory of China
    https://arxiv.org/abs/1504.06463
    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1504/1504.06463.pdf
    "More than 400 males belonging to Haplogroup N in 34 populations in China were successfully
    genotyped, and populations in Northern Asia and Eastern Europe were also compared together"

    All N1/all N2/all other haplos



    M128 + P43+ M46 / all other N / all other haplos


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    Here are some maps of N distrubution in East Asia from this website http://qudro.blog.me/

    Not sure how accurate they are.

    N1 Azjatyckie5.pngN1 Azjatyckie4.pngN1 Azjatyckie3.pngN1 Azjatyckie2.pngN1 Azjatyckie1.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkaK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    These ancient samples are missing:

    5 x N1(xN1a, N1c) Tianshanbeilu Xinjiang, 1900-1300 BC
    Ancient DNA reveals a migration of the ancient Di-qiang populations into Xinjiang as early as the early Bronze Age
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25546319

    Is Sargat there?
    Kinship Analysis of Human Remains from the Sargat Mounds, Baraba Forest-Steppe, Western Siberia
    Sargat culture, early Iron Age, 5 x N (to my knowledge N1c)
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...estern_Siberia
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    Also the N1c1 Xueshan from the Jiangjialiang site (Ye Shang et al 2016).

    https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg2016107
    Could you compile a list of all ancient samples of N (any N)? I will make a beautiful high resolution map of N distribution (whole Eurasia) and it would be very informative to include the ancient samples location and short description (short-, longhand, date, location, culture)
    Will greatly appreciate. Thank you
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    Yinqui Cui et al 2013 contains a lot, including the three "Yangshao" N from the Miaozigou site 500km west of the Liao River valley, apparently more of a Hongshan projection in that particular case.

    https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.co...71-2148-13-216

    But on their map it shouldn't say Longshan, which didn't exist yet.
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    Rarest of the N - N2-Y6584 (according to the newest classification).

    So far we have only discussed N1 branches.
    N2 is a unique and intriguing subclade of N which so far was found only in Europe. It diverged from the rest of N roughly 22k years ago https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y6503/

    Position in the tree:


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    Source of the distribution maps: https://www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=216.620

    Seems like it is most common in Dalmatia, Dinaric Alps and Vojvodina. But some samples were found all around Europe (but not in Asia)

    It was previously found in one of the ancient samples from present day Hungary (before Hungarian invasion):
    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    The most recent YFull haplotree divides the former N-P189 into two levels, N-P189 and an upstream predecessor N-Y6503. Since I myself have not encountered any Y6503+ P189- , I asked Vladimir Tagankin of YFull for an explanation of the division. He replied:
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    http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/14...ms6257_T1.html
    Sample: IR1
    Hungary, Ludas-Varjú-dűlő (Iron Age, Pre-Scythian Mezőcsát Culture)
    Age: 830-980 BC
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    In other words, sample IR1 from the Greater Hungarian Plain of the 9th-10th century B.C. belongs to the predecessor clade of N-P189. In contrast, none of the Hungarian samples in that study belonged to R1a, R1b, or N-Tat.
    N-P189.2 FTDNA Project:
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...x?section=ymap
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    Interestingly the Mezocsat culture of which IR1 belonged to was aperently Iranic from the pontic steppe.

    Take what you will from that about the spread of Y6503.

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