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    Native American in a Finn?

    Wondering if anyone might have some insight into this. I likely will also post it in the Finland section.

    My dad just got tested via Ancestry and it came out pretty much as we expected: All four of his grandparents were born in Finland, so of course that would expect to come out mostly Finnish, maybe some Swedish/Norwegian/Russian in there, perhaps some British Isles since there's a paper trail that leads back to Scotland on one ancestor.

    Well, we were close: 99+% Finnish... and <1% Native American.

    He said a more specific breakdown put the Finnish to Lakeland/Lapland and also Western Finland/Oulu. Both of those make sense: his mother's parents were from Western Finland (Ylivieska and Toysa and before them it mostly traces back to the Western coast and a bit into Sweden), and his father's parents from up near the Arctic Circle (Tervola, with previous lines in Rovaniemi, Kemijarvi, Sodankyla, Ii, Kittila, and into Northern Sweden).

    So... Where would this tiny amount of Native American come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutout52 View Post
    Wondering if anyone might have some insight into this. I likely will also post it in the Finland section.

    My dad just got tested via Ancestry and it came out pretty much as we expected: All four of his grandparents were born in Finland, so of course that would expect to come out mostly Finnish, maybe some Swedish/Norwegian/Russian in there, perhaps some British Isles since there's a paper trail that leads back to Scotland on one ancestor.

    Well, we were close: 99+% Finnish... and <1% Native American.

    He said a more specific breakdown put the Finnish to Lakeland/Lapland and also Western Finland/Oulu. Both of those make sense: his mother's parents were from Western Finland (Ylivieska and Toysa and before them it mostly traces back to the Western coast and a bit into Sweden), and his father's parents from up near the Arctic Circle (Tervola, with previous lines in Rovaniemi, Kemijarvi, Sodankyla, Ii, Kittila, and into Northern Sweden).

    So... Where would this tiny amount of Native American come from?
    I'm certainly not the best person to explain this, but you're certainly not the only Northeastern European person who scores some Amerindian. How much of it do you score in K15? Erzyas, Mordvins, Tatars, and Russians commonly score it, too, and it's almost certainly not because they have recent Amerindian ancestors. There's this thing called "ANE", or Ancient/Ancestral North Eurasian, which is based on Afontova Gora and Mal'ta samples from Paleolithic Siberia - this population contributed a bit less than half to the genome of most modern Native Americans, with the rest being East Asian. So, the other forum members can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's most likely registering excess ANE + East Asian (also genes from Iron/Bronze Age migrations of Siberians into NE Europe) as "Native American."
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    I haven't run it through any of the GedMatch options yet-- it's my dad's test so I don't have access to the raw data to run it yet, but I will if I can. At the very least I'll see him the summer and can probably do it then.

    Thanks for the explanation though, that certainly makes sense.

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    I'm British and I regularly get around 1 % Native American/Amerindian/Arctic Amerindian.
    If it isn't noise my guess is also that it could be a trace of something with an Ancient Asian source.
    On archaic matches I get a small match with a sample from Altai Siberia.
    My Y DNA results suggest a connection to Norway but that may be a 1,000 years ago or longer.
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    I would just consider it a mislabeled region which instead is probably indicative of ancient shared Siberian origins.
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    It is not noise, nor outlandish. It is traces or in many cases more than trace from parts of East Asia.

    If there was no interaction with Western/Central Eurasians, N1c would plot closely with the Chinese and other East Asians. But since much happened along the way, N1c males and the rest of Finns can have 1% Native American. 1% Siberian and so on. None of it is noise.

    Noise would be .5% Khoisan for a Finn of 100% Finn Ancestry.

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