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    New Brother Clade to P312 and U106: DF100+

    A new SNP has been verified that looks to make up an important amount (but not all) of former L11(xP312,U106). It has been designated DF100, and once FTDNA resumes accepting new SNP information, we will send it to them.

    It has been found in HG00148 (Kent, UK), PGP45 (Georgia, USA), PGP124 (USA), and also derived in 12 samples from the Genome of the Netherlands project.

    GRCh37 position: 16775613
    Ancestral allele: C
    Derived allele: T
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Awesome!

    Aren't there 500 samples total in the Genome of the Netherlands Project? Or is my memory faulty there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Awesome!

    Aren't there 500 samples total in the Genome of the Netherlands Project? Or is my memory faulty there?
    That's correct, there are 500.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Great news !!

    Got to be said, FTDNA really have got to get there act together, there's far too much going on right now to be sitting around twiddling your thumbs !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Great news !!

    Got to be said, FTDNA really have got to get there act together, there's far too much going on right now to be sitting around twiddling your thumbs !!
    I agree. Don't get me wrong: I like FTDNA and Bennett Greenspan a lot, and I have experienced a great deal of success with them, but there are a few areas lately that I am less than pleased about - the neglect of Ysearch being a major one, for example.

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    Hey, it occurs to me that, since DF100 was found in 12 men in the Genome of the Netherlands Project, and BritainsDNA is using SNPs from that project in its Chromo2, DF100 is likely to be included in the Chromo2 test, probably under an "S" name.

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    Well it looks a bit like northern L11 will mainly be within this new clade. I wonder how old this new SNP will turn out to be. Just under L11 or a later one? No way of telling yet as we dont know how widespread it is. If its as old as U106 or older then that would be interesting as we can rule them out as ancestors of U106. However, and I think people tend to overlook this, if it is an SNP that is later than U106 and P312 it still could be ancestral and the SNP simply happened later.

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    This could be very interesting. I agreed with ballardgen's hypothesis that his R-L11* was of Italian origin but from a Langobard descent and this could explain the rarity of R-L11* in Italy and this was a lack in my theory of the Italian Refugium, but I have posted some posts also about very varied Italian R-L11*, and my hypothesis was that these samples were the witness of the most ancient R-L11* from the Italian Refugium. If these "German" R-L11* were actually" R-DF100* and the Italian R-L11+/DF100-, this could be good for me.

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    Thanks again to the discovery team. Great work.

    We don't know anything about the STRs of the DF100 people, do we?

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    That's correct, there are 500.
    If any, how many L11+ U106- P312- DF100- men were found in the Genome of Netherlands project?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Thanks again to the discovery team. Great work.

    We don't know anything about the STRs of the DF100 people, do we?


    If any, how many L11+ U106- P312- DF100- men were found in the Genome of Netherlands project?
    Mike, the way they released their data thus far, it is impossible to tell. Hopefully when they officially publish their findings, it will be more obvious.

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