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    Is there a good way of teasing out Irish from Scottish ancestry ?

    Irish immigrating to Scotland and Scottish immigrating to Ireland;it seems there has been two way traffic for quite some time . It's hard to tell how much mixing has or has not gone on. Foolishly I considered surnames as a means of deciding. However it seems that many names are multi regional -English,Scottish and Irish. I've heard people who are fully/very Irish get a high B&I score on 23andMe of 90+% . Mine is only 65%.

    It seems that Irish,Scottish, English and Welsh(not sure about Orcadian) are fairly closely related . I am not sure a calculator that effectively teases out the differences that there are has been invented . My largest ancestry is English according to known paper trail but this is quite often not reflected in calculator/nMonte results.

    The supposedly two best calculators for such ancestry give me as follows:

    Eurogenes K13 single population sharing

    1 West_Scottish 2.28
    2 Orcadian 2.61
    3 Irish 2.78
    4 Southwest_English 3.79
    5 North_Dutch 4.01
    6 Southeast_English 4.12
    7 Danish 4.77


    Eurogenes K15


    1 Irish 2.07
    2 West_Scottish 2.57
    3 Southeast_English 3.17
    4 Southwest_English 4.43
    5 Orcadian 4.67
    6 North_Dutch 4.83
    7 Danish 5


    Then there is MDLP K16


    1 Dutch (Netherlands) 1.84
    2 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 1.99
    3 Scottish (Fife) 2.43
    4 Irish (Munster) 2.56
    5 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 2.6
    6 Scottish (Highlands) 2.75
    7 Scottish (Borders) 3.05


    Although these above are reckoned to be the best I question how consistent they are.


    Lukasz's K36 report


    1 Scotland0,9803
    2 Wales 0,97951
    3 Orkney 0,97924
    4 Northern Ireland 0,97893
    5 England_North-East 0,97398
    6 Ireland 0,97299
    7 Dutch_Groningen 0,9729


    As an aside- Wales scores high on that one whereas it comes in at 17th position on the MDLP K16. I have just one known ancestor that I know was born in Wales(Flintshire).
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    Thank you for starting this thread, firemonkey. I would be curious to see your oracle results too, if you don't mind. I am trying to determine the same for my mothers ancestry, here are her results for comparison, her distances seem quite a bit further than most others I've seen and the difference between K13 and K15 are interesting:

    Edit: With 23andMe she scores 95.2% B&I.

    K13
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish @ 3.298727
    2 West_Scottish @ 4.287419
    3 Orcadian @ 4.920280
    4 North_Dutch @ 5.081151
    5 Danish @ 5.735216
    6 Norwegian @ 6.099767
    7 Southwest_English @ 6.588152
    8 North_German @ 7.082655
    9 Southeast_English @ 7.435145
    10 Swedish @ 8.791864
    11 South_Dutch @ 11.472359
    12 West_German @ 12.597214
    13 North_Swedish @ 15.854528
    14 French @ 17.624949
    15 Austrian @ 17.789871
    16 East_German @ 17.970858
    17 Hungarian @ 22.928539
    18 Southwest_Finnish @ 25.047443
    19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 25.680012
    20 Southwest_French @ 26.463072

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 3.298727


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 3.298727


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
    1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.298727
    2 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.359546
    3 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 3.442917
    4 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.450579
    5 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.455801
    6 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.504798
    7 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.515823
    8 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.583032
    9 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.596277
    10 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.617754
    11 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.626709
    12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.632124
    13 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.668928
    14 Irish + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.715259
    15 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.742786
    16 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.749773
    17 Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.776194
    18 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.810817
    19 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.814868
    20 Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.830304

    K15
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_Scottish @ 4.017320
    2 Irish @ 4.402823
    3 Orcadian @ 5.591134
    4 Southeast_English @ 5.663331
    5 Danish @ 5.823817
    6 North_Dutch @ 6.673616
    7 North_German @ 7.477569
    8 Southwest_English @ 7.569600
    9 Norwegian @ 10.721028
    10 West_Norwegian @ 10.922980
    11 South_Dutch @ 11.244607
    12 Swedish @ 12.190916
    13 West_German @ 13.518903
    14 North_Swedish @ 14.685731
    15 French @ 16.289320
    16 East_German @ 18.014147
    17 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.669386
    18 Austrian @ 22.017563
    19 Finnish @ 23.561277
    20 Hungarian @ 23.580959

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 4.017320


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 4.017320


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.017320
    2 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.064804
    3 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.148096
    4 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.189768
    5 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.191822
    6 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.214093
    7 North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.217757
    8 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.229527
    9 Danish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.232852
    10 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 4.257865
    11 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.269303
    12 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.273081
    13 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.301417
    14 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 4.301944
    15 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.339993
    16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 4.347610
    17 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.348413
    18 Danish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.355328
    19 Danish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.357985
    20 Danish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 4.387026

    MDLP K16 (everything after 2 Populations is very wonky, so I won't bother to post them)
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish_Munster @ 4.499945
    2 Irish_Connacht @ 4.566585
    3 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 4.646547
    4 Scottish_Grampian @ 4.805137
    5 Scottish_Highlands @ 4.884964
    6 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 4.943098
    7 Scottish_Fife @ 4.987923
    8 English_England @ 5.027173
    9 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 5.349436
    10 Irish_Leinster @ 5.462869
    11 English_Cornwall @ 5.501771
    12 Dutch_Netherlands @ 5.689687
    13 French_WestFrance @ 5.725858
    14 Irish_Ulster @ 5.783500
    15 Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 5.895901
    16 English_Kent @ 6.175677
    17 Scottish_Borders @ 6.380009
    18 Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 6.753757
    19 Hungarian_WestUkraine @ 6.876836
    20 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 7.270637

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish_Connacht +50% Irish_Munster @ 4.406591

    And Lukasz' K36:
    Wales 0.95299
    Orkney 0.94777
    Ireland 0.94749
    England_South-West 0.93976
    Northern Ireland 0.93879
    Scotland 0.93821
    Iceland 0.93241

    Lukasz hits all of the expected areas, I like his results quite a bit, the MDLP results are also quite nice. Based on the distances I'm assuming my mother is very much a mix, it's fascinating but maddening as I can find no genealogical evidence for it (besides the infamous claims of Stewart and Lamont ancestors in my family that no-one cares to provide a shred of evidence for). We do have a few surnames in her tree more common in England and Scotland but trying to parse these things out by name alone isn't the best way to go about it, in my opinion. The search continues...
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    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_Scottish @ 2.445381
    2 Orcadian @ 2.801820
    3 Irish @ 3.090581
    4 Southwest_English @ 4.079818
    5 North_Dutch @ 4.470723
    6 Southeast_English @ 4.585011
    7 Danish @ 5.333041
    8 Norwegian @ 6.092976
    9 North_German @ 7.964433
    10 Swedish @ 9.309278
    11 South_Dutch @ 10.631128
    12 West_German @ 12.132713
    13 North_Swedish @ 16.188072
    14 French @ 16.250372
    15 Austrian @ 18.245956
    16 East_German @ 18.490625
    17 Hungarian @ 23.504978
    18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.857307
    19 Southwest_French @ 24.606785
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.847672

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
    1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
    2 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.301936
    3 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.309369
    4 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.324097
    5 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.330362
    6 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.339781
    7 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.404918
    8 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.408655
    9 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.417958
    10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.427908
    11 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.444764
    12 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.445381
    13 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.451610
    14 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459154
    15 Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459786
    16 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472844
    17 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.474714
    18 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.482153
    19 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.483617
    20 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.488283

    Done.


    K15


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish @ 2.244315
    2 West_Scottish @ 2.837831
    3 Southeast_English @ 3.554317
    4 Southwest_English @ 4.932900
    5 Orcadian @ 5.298594
    6 North_Dutch @ 5.550074
    7 Danish @ 5.734541
    8 North_German @ 7.350546
    9 South_Dutch @ 9.815781
    10 Norwegian @ 10.005548
    11 West_Norwegian @ 10.335895
    12 Swedish @ 11.380665
    13 West_German @ 12.246832
    14 French @ 14.399624
    15 North_Swedish @ 14.533620
    16 East_German @ 16.944380
    17 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.294031
    18 Austrian @ 21.414932
    19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.222399
    20 Hungarian @ 22.656172

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.244315


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 2.244315


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
    1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.244315
    2 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.292785
    3 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.310510
    4 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 2.335537
    5 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.336965
    6 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.403321
    7 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.446400
    8 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.447490
    9 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.526296
    10 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.594063
    11 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 2.596703
    12 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.609533
    13 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.612100
    14 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.673313
    15 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.676484
    16 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.689232
    17 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.722258
    18 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.728282
    19 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.742489
    20 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.785365


    MDLP K16


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Dutch_Netherlands @ 1.902381
    2 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 2.125359
    3 Scottish_Fife @ 2.608324
    4 Irish_Munster @ 2.808803
    5 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 2.912295
    6 Scottish_Highlands @ 3.068254
    7 Scottish_Borders @ 3.420792
    8 Irish_Connacht @ 3.496096
    9 English_England @ 3.498291
    10 Scottish_Grampian @ 3.510723
    11 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 3.535520
    12 French_WestFrance @ 3.732966
    13 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 4.059118
    14 Irish_Leinster @ 4.114424
    15 Hungarian_WestUkraine @ 4.184584
    16 Welsh_Wales @ 4.317031
    17 German_Germany @ 4.390897
    18 Irish_Ulster @ 4.391536
    19 English_Cornwall @ 4.742260
    20 Swede_Sweden @ 4.799861

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +50% Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.251818


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +25% German_Germany +25% Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.184595


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.018023
    2 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.093367
    3 German_Germany + Irish_Munster + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.121363
    4 German_Germany + Irish_Munster + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.124148
    5 German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.125524
    6 German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.181754
    7 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.184595
    8 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.189991
    9 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.196387
    10 English_Kent + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.197942
    11 German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Fife @ 1.198696
    12 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.199280
    13 German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Highlands @ 1.204004
    14 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.221028
    15 German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Fife @ 1.232310
    16 English_Kent + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + Irish_Connacht + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.246604
    17 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 1.248842
    18 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.251818
    19 German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.253281
    20 German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.265738


    I'm not at all sure about the MDLP 16 2-4 population results. The K13 gives me 10/80 non British or Irish in 4 pop mode whereas K15 is all British or Irish.
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    Thank you, do these results reflect your ancestry well? I'm especially curious with the MDLP calculator but for me the further I get from two populations the less useful it becomes. Overall they look fine for my mother but it's funny that you got all Scottish populations in your top K13 oracle and my mothers all Irish in hers, but then it switched with K15 and hers is all Scottish while yours all Irish. Interesting. This may be more difficult to determine than I had originally thought. I look forward to seeing more posts for comparison.

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    Based on the choices available I think it is fairly good. The English options(SouthEast and SouthWest) don't reflect my known English ancestry which is Derbyshire,Gloucestershire,Lancashire,Staffordshir e,Warwickshire,Worcestershire and Yorkshire on my father's side and Northumberland(though not sure if were Scots living there) on my mother's side. The only one that really fits the K13/K15 English options for me is Gloucestershire.
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    Firemonkey this is in some way my research too but them from North Dutch prespective.

    First of all my mother’s result:

    K13
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Orcadian @ 5.061781
    2 North_Dutch @ 5.369390
    3 Danish @ 5.712626
    4 Southeast_English @ 5.871336
    5 Irish @ 6.254148
    6 Norwegian @ 6.384363
    7 Southwest_English @ 6.523040
    8 North_German @ 6.664614
    9 West_Scottish @ 6.948339
    10 Swedish @ 7.255291

    K15
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 North_Dutch @ 4.915538
    2 Southwest_English @ 5.637632
    3 Danish @ 5.671296
    4 Southeast_English @ 6.095284
    5 Irish @ 6.335414
    6 West_Scottish @ 6.392235
    7 Norwegian @ 6.402415
    8 Orcadian @ 7.147412
    9 North_German @ 7.518135

    Then Father

    K13
    1 Danish @ 2.499802
    2 North_Dutch @ 2.730030
    3 Orcadian @ 4.426402
    4 Norwegian @ 4.692677
    5 North_German @ 4.745461
    6 Irish @ 5.144391
    7 Southeast_English @ 5.155230
    8 West_Scottish @ 5.452173
    9 Southwest_English @ 7.021984
    10 Swedish @ 7.183674

    K15
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Orcadian @ 5.800681
    2 Danish @ 6.185689
    3 North_Dutch @ 6.688351
    4 West_Norwegian @ 6.721641
    5 West_Scottish @ 7.053848
    6 Norwegian @ 7.172348
    7 Southeast_English @ 8.021790
    8 Irish @ 8.323466
    9 Southwest_English @ 8.898976
    10 Swedish @ 9.562217pi


    The only generic conclusion you can draw is that father is a bit more Germanic, because of the Danish/Norwegian results, than my mother but otherwise the results resemble your result too, so a kind of NW European pattern. The NPCA and Global products of Eurogenes are more fine tuned in this respect!
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    My ancestry is English,Scottish,Irish and possibly a little Welsh - to contrast with my father who is English and possibly a little Welsh.


    K13

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Orcadian @ 2.540393
    2 Southeast_English @ 2.992991
    3 Southwest_English @ 3.154226
    4 West_Scottish @ 3.188760
    5 Irish @ 3.331554
    6 North_Dutch @ 4.046317
    7 Danish @ 4.932960
    8 Norwegian @ 6.635683
    9 North_German @ 6.853665
    10 South_Dutch @ 8.326958
    11 Swedish @ 9.547820
    12 West_German @ 9.923571
    13 French @ 14.147449
    14 North_Swedish @ 16.336115
    15 Austrian @ 16.457874
    16 East_German @ 17.018524
    17 Hungarian @ 21.862171
    18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.033287
    19 Southwest_French @ 23.044683
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 23.205284

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 1.821584


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 1.821584


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++
    1 South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.565104
    2 Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.693713
    3 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.719593
    4 West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.723765
    5 Irish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.753041
    6 North_Dutch + South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.757448
    7 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.818803
    8 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.821584
    9 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.842688
    10 South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.843656
    11 Irish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 1.844107
    12 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.860898
    13 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 1.864541
    14 Irish + Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 1.887038
    15 North_Dutch + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.893324
    16 South_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.897780
    17 Orcadian + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.909300
    18 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 1.915832
    19 French + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.919715
    20 North_German + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.919940


    K15


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Southeast_English @ 3.362720
    2 Southwest_English @ 3.461184
    3 Irish @ 3.476754
    4 West_Scottish @ 4.173968
    5 Orcadian @ 4.978508
    6 North_Dutch @ 4.999657
    7 Danish @ 6.121659
    8 North_German @ 6.970460
    9 South_Dutch @ 8.597733
    10 Norwegian @ 9.766663
    11 West_Norwegian @ 10.066264
    12 West_German @ 10.151340
    13 Swedish @ 11.026723
    14 French @ 12.744649
    15 North_Swedish @ 14.825538
    16 East_German @ 16.179747
    17 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.930357
    18 Austrian @ 20.901253
    19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.213615
    20 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.488588

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 2.407564


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 2.407564


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
    1 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.407564
    2 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.457956
    3 Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.531840
    4 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.556333
    5 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.672271
    6 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.696665
    7 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.704868
    8 Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.705406
    9 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.707074
    10 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.720165
    11 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.722464
    12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.729608
    13 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.730817
    14 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.763653
    15 Irish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.771142
    16 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.778408
    17 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.799910
    18 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.816885
    19 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.820291
    20 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.826402


    MDLP 16


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 2.659030
    2 Scottish_Fife @ 3.266766
    3 Dutch_Netherlands @ 3.318224
    4 Irish_Connacht @ 3.382618
    5 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 3.423987
    6 Scottish_Highlands @ 3.441562
    7 Scottish_Grampian @ 3.533499
    8 Irish_Munster @ 3.543280
    9 French_WestFrance @ 3.640925
    10 English_England @ 3.767574
    11 Scottish_Borders @ 4.171173
    12 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 4.274183
    13 Irish_Leinster @ 4.337474
    14 English_Cornwall @ 4.596479
    15 Irish_Ulster @ 4.615255
    16 English_Kent @ 4.683185
    17 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 4.773214
    18 Welsh_Wales @ 4.844871
    19 German_Germany @ 5.252748
    20 Hungarian_WestUkraine @ 5.332998

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% German_Germany +50% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.137701


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +25% German_Germany +25% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.885946


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
    1 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.847260
    2 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.885946
    3 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.919820
    4 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.924689
    5 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Germany @ 1.944515
    6 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.980129
    7 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.983040
    8 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Cornwall + German_Germany @ 1.988914
    9 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.001968
    10 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.003236
    11 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 2.008803
    12 Croat_Croatia + English_Kent + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.010756
    13 English_Kent + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.011510
    14 French_France + German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.014663
    15 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht @ 2.016348
    16 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Irish_Connacht @ 2.026100
    17 English_Kent + German_Germany + Hungarian_Hungary + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.027202
    18 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.036805
    19 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 2.048218
    20 German_Germany + German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.049612
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackToTheForests View Post
    Thank you for starting this thread, firemonkey. I would be curious to see your oracle results too, if you don't mind. I am trying to determine the same for my mothers ancestry, here are her results for comparison, her distances seem quite a bit further than most others I've seen and the difference between K13 and K15 are interesting:

    Edit: With 23andMe she scores 95.2% B&I.

    K13
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish @ 3.298727
    2 West_Scottish @ 4.287419
    3 Orcadian @ 4.920280
    4 North_Dutch @ 5.081151
    5 Danish @ 5.735216
    6 Norwegian @ 6.099767
    7 Southwest_English @ 6.588152
    8 North_German @ 7.082655
    9 Southeast_English @ 7.435145
    10 Swedish @ 8.791864
    11 South_Dutch @ 11.472359
    12 West_German @ 12.597214
    13 North_Swedish @ 15.854528
    14 French @ 17.624949
    15 Austrian @ 17.789871
    16 East_German @ 17.970858
    17 Hungarian @ 22.928539
    18 Southwest_Finnish @ 25.047443
    19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 25.680012
    20 Southwest_French @ 26.463072

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 3.298727


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 3.298727


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
    1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.298727
    2 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.359546
    3 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 3.442917
    4 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.450579
    5 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.455801
    6 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.504798
    7 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.515823
    8 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.583032
    9 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.596277
    10 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.617754
    11 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.626709
    12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.632124
    13 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.668928
    14 Irish + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.715259
    15 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.742786
    16 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.749773
    17 Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.776194
    18 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.810817
    19 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.814868
    20 Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.830304

    K15
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_Scottish @ 4.017320
    2 Irish @ 4.402823
    3 Orcadian @ 5.591134
    4 Southeast_English @ 5.663331
    5 Danish @ 5.823817
    6 North_Dutch @ 6.673616
    7 North_German @ 7.477569
    8 Southwest_English @ 7.569600
    9 Norwegian @ 10.721028
    10 West_Norwegian @ 10.922980
    11 South_Dutch @ 11.244607
    12 Swedish @ 12.190916
    13 West_German @ 13.518903
    14 North_Swedish @ 14.685731
    15 French @ 16.289320
    16 East_German @ 18.014147
    17 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.669386
    18 Austrian @ 22.017563
    19 Finnish @ 23.561277
    20 Hungarian @ 23.580959

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 4.017320


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 4.017320


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.017320
    2 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.064804
    3 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.148096
    4 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.189768
    5 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.191822
    6 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.214093
    7 North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.217757
    8 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.229527
    9 Danish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.232852
    10 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 4.257865
    11 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.269303
    12 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.273081
    13 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.301417
    14 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 4.301944
    15 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.339993
    16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 4.347610
    17 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.348413
    18 Danish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.355328
    19 Danish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.357985
    20 Danish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 4.387026

    MDLP K16 (everything after 2 Populations is very wonky, so I won't bother to post them)
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish_Munster @ 4.499945
    2 Irish_Connacht @ 4.566585
    3 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 4.646547
    4 Scottish_Grampian @ 4.805137
    5 Scottish_Highlands @ 4.884964
    6 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 4.943098
    7 Scottish_Fife @ 4.987923
    8 English_England @ 5.027173
    9 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 5.349436
    10 Irish_Leinster @ 5.462869
    11 English_Cornwall @ 5.501771
    12 Dutch_Netherlands @ 5.689687
    13 French_WestFrance @ 5.725858
    14 Irish_Ulster @ 5.783500
    15 Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 5.895901
    16 English_Kent @ 6.175677
    17 Scottish_Borders @ 6.380009
    18 Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 6.753757
    19 Hungarian_WestUkraine @ 6.876836
    20 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 7.270637

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish_Connacht +50% Irish_Munster @ 4.406591

    And Lukasz' K36:
    Wales 0.95299
    Orkney 0.94777
    Ireland 0.94749
    England_South-West 0.93976
    Northern Ireland 0.93879
    Scotland 0.93821
    Iceland 0.93241

    Lukasz hits all of the expected areas, I like his results quite a bit, the MDLP results are also quite nice. Based on the distances I'm assuming my mother is very much a mix, it's fascinating but maddening as I can find no genealogical evidence for it (besides the infamous claims of Stewart and Lamont ancestors in my family that no-one cares to provide a shred of evidence for). We do have a few surnames in her tree more common in England and Scotland but trying to parse these things out by name alone isn't the best way to go about it, in my opinion. The search continues...
    You might have seen mine already BacktotheForrests and you know my history but Gedmatch resuts are all over the place. K15 does place my no 1 as Irish though

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 37.04
    2 Atlantic 29.88
    3 Baltic 11.89
    4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
    5 West_Asian 5.16
    6 West_Med 4.95
    7 Amerindian 1.15
    8 Red_Sea 1.10


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish @ 3.425280
    2 West_Scottish @ 3.557808
    3 North_Dutch @ 4.181393
    4 Danish @ 4.453959
    5 Orcadian @ 5.505360
    6 Southeast_English @ 5.676529
    7 North_German @ 5.882824
    8 Southwest_English @ 7.466283
    9 Norwegian @ 8.417722
    10 West_Norwegian @ 8.735489
    11 Swedish @ 9.296607
    12 South_Dutch @ 11.184519
    13 West_German @ 12.499153
    14 North_Swedish @ 12.662151
    15 East_German @ 16.492691
    16 French @ 16.524723
    17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.903034
    18 Austrian @ 21.142027
    19 Finnish @ 21.647963
    20 Hungarian @ 21.914810

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% North_Dutch @ 3.203073


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 3.143203


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
    1 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.125094
    2 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.128713
    3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.143203
    4 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.144938
    5 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.150105
    6 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.159487
    7 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.182833
    8 North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.183386
    9 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.193700
    10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.195021
    11 North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.202463
    12 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 3.203073
    13 Danish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.235043
    14 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.235556
    15 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.238354
    16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.248949
    17 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 3.252259
    18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.254036
    19 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.259177
    20 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.268316

    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 52.04
    2 Baltic 25.27
    3 West_Med 9.81
    4 West_Asian 7.25
    5 East_Med 1.77
    6 Red_Sea 1.50
    7 Amerindian 1.38


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 North_Dutch @ 3.343981
    2 Irish @ 3.397813
    3 West_Scottish @ 4.026271
    4 Norwegian @ 4.042346
    5 Orcadian @ 4.244986
    6 Danish @ 4.289660
    7 North_German @ 6.192955
    8 Southeast_English @ 6.842666
    9 Southwest_English @ 6.901150
    10 Swedish @ 7.318733
    11 South_Dutch @ 11.629003
    12 West_German @ 12.655422
    13 North_Swedish @ 14.482445
    14 Austrian @ 17.549162
    15 East_German @ 17.693420
    16 French @ 18.062477
    17 Hungarian @ 22.544872
    18 Southwest_Finnish @ 23.876503
    19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 26.292759
    20 Southwest_French @ 27.316259

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% Norwegian @ 2.522953


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% Norwegian @ 2.522953


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
    1 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.519424
    2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.522953
    3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.540311
    4 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.548502
    5 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.564251
    6 North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.622005
    7 North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.648387
    8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.664680
    9 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.680890
    10 Danish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.683445
    11 Danish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.695799
    12 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.721051
    13 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.729033
    14 Danish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.747781
    15 Irish + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.753577
    16 Irish + Irish + North_German + Norwegian @ 2.764748
    17 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.766720
    18 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.767802
    19 Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.767981
    20 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 2.775764

    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 28.78
    2 NorthEastEuropean 28.47
    3 Steppe 24.76
    4 Caucasian 17.25


    Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 3.026841
    2 Irish_Connacht @ 3.257971
    3 English_Cornwall @ 3.428292
    4 Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 3.441684
    5 Scottish_Highlands @ 3.632506
    6 Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 3.656255
    7 English_Kent @ 3.765399
    8 Irish_Ulster @ 3.898009
    9 Irish_Munster @ 3.898047
    10 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 3.996608
    11 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 4.037261
    12 Norwegian_Norwegia @ 4.063393
    13 Scottish_Grampian @ 4.497347
    14 Irish_Leinster @ 4.546865
    15 Scottish_Fife @ 4.574359
    16 English_England @ 4.587379
    17 French_WestFrance @ 4.685046
    18 Scottish_Borders @ 4.740075
    19 Icelandic_Iceland @ 4.765808
    20 Dutch_Netherlands @ 4.839308

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +50% Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.399938


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% English_Kent +25% Pole_EastPoland +25% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.107442


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.929165
    2 German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.931759
    3 German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia + Norwegian_Norwegia + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.949504
    4 German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia + Norwegian_Norwegia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.995879
    5 German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.996008
    6 German_Germany + Icelandic_Iceland + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.034786
    7 German_Germany + Icelandic_Iceland + Norwegian_Norwegia + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.039676
    8 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Norwegian_Norwegia + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.045938
    9 German_Germany + Icelandic_Iceland + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.046312
    10 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Norwegian_Norwegia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.051080
    11 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.074168
    12 German_Germany + Icelandic_Iceland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.076143
    13 English_Kent + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland @ 2.088080
    14 German_Germany + Icelandic_Iceland + Norwegian_Norwegia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.092962
    15 English_Kent + English_Kent + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.107442
    16 German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.108890
    17 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.110984
    18 English_Kent + English_Kent + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland @ 2.111929
    19 English_Kent + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.113286
    20 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Icelandic_Iceland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.119094

    If I was adopted I would be very confused about these results.

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    Thank you for the comparison, it really makes me wonder where the samples are coming from in some of these calculators. It looks like we still have quite a ways to go before being able to distinguish anything meaningful from calculator results.

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    J1c3

    Canada Netherlands United Kingdom Cornwall Ireland France
    My Oracle's are all over the place too. Some show me as some combination of Irish and North German or English_Cornwall, English_Kent and Scottish_Argyll&Bute, etc. While others show me as Danish! After learning that the next most similar population to the Danes are the British, it makes sense. Kent isn't too far from the Netherlands and that makes sense and I have fairly recent Ulster, Munster and Cornwall ancestry too. It all seems to begin to make sense if I look at it from a wider angle and try to piece it together piece by piece.

    It's pretty confusing however given my paper trail I expect nothing more than confusion and weird guesses.

    In regards to teasing out Irish from Scottish ancestry, that would be fairly easily done through paper trail genealogy. If you don't mind me asking, how far back have (or can) you traced your family tree?

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