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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    dear kurd ,
    kudos for all your work
    the indus valley sicililzation are the swat samples from north pakistan ?
    if thats the case shouldn't we call the indian periphery instead ?
    i score here 11% not shy number but given that there is no iranian neolithic reference it probably iranian neolithic allells shared with the pakistani swat refernces ?
    with kind regards
    adam

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    which refernces did you used for STEPPE MLBA-E ?
    Yes.
    Some Indus Periphery samples look like migrants from IVC
    Likely.
    Higher coverage samples from the following:
    Kazakh_Mys_MLBA
    Krasnoyarsk_MLBA
    Kyzlbulak_MLBA1
    Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA
    Zevakinskiy_BA
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Yes, but also interesting is nearly lack of Turan and higher Indus Valley compared to English sample. I wonder what it means. Indus Valley component is pre-Aryan only I suppose?
    Shared ancient N Eurasian or steppe ancestry between E Europeans and IVC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    Yes.
    Some Indus Periphery samples look like migrants from IVC
    Likely.
    Higher coverage samples from the following:
    Kazakh_Mys_MLBA
    Krasnoyarsk_MLBA
    Kyzlbulak_MLBA1
    Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA
    Zevakinskiy_BA
    dear kurd,
    thanks
    i see so mainly refernces from Kazachstan bronze age cool { is it overlapp with the karasuk of k12 ancient calculator ?}
    kind regards
    Adam

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    dear kurd,
    thanks
    i see so mainly refernces from Kazachstan bronze age cool { is it overlapp with the karasuk of k12 ancient calculator ?}
    kind regards
    Adam
    sure. I have a PCA of the samples I used. I’ll try to put it up later
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    Despite there being "considerable genetic overlap between some MLBA-W and MLBA-E samples," I'm surprised by the ratio of MLBA-W and MLBA-E in my case. Sapporo and especially .NK19191 are also skewed like that.
    The paper seemed to posit that MLBA-E was the best fit for South Asians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    sure. I have a PCA of the samples I used. I’ll try to put it up later
    so STEPPE MLBA-E = KARASUK COOL

    P.S
    since the east scytian is seperate in your latest run

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    ...
    the indus valley sicililzation are the swat samples from north pakistan ?
    if thats the case shouldn't we call the indian periphery instead ?
    ...
    "From IVC:
    Barikot_IA
    Katelai_IA
    Loebanr_IA
    Udegram_IA"

    I think this is a good set, and may turn out a better proxy for IVC than Indus Periphery once we have true IVC samples. Note that it does not include the late Swat samples. I would also add that V Sarianidi the archaeologist for BMAC has proposed (before the Rakhigarhi graves were studied) that these early Swat graves are of Indo-Aryans who came down from BMAC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    "From IVC:
    Barikot_IA
    Katelai_IA
    Loebanr_IA
    Udegram_IA"

    I think this is a good set, and may turn out a better proxy for IVC than Indus Periphery once we have true IVC samples. Note that it does not include the late Swat samples. I
    would also add that V Sarianidi the archaeologist for BMAC has proposed (before the Rakhigarhi graves were studied) that these early Swat graves are of Indo-Aryans who came down from BMAC.
    indus valley civilzation was an aryan culture
    i dont want to post signs here out of respect to the forum
    and for jews { which i am happen to be one }

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    indus valley civilzation was an aryan culture
    i dont want to post signs here out of respect to the forum
    and for jews { which i am happen to be one }


    Yes I think now there is a complete split between archaeology and genetics (this recent paper) I think. For ages we were told that Indo-Aryans came from BMAC and that is why the Andronovo type of evidence is absent from South Asia, while there was evidence of BMAC satellites cropping up after the decline of IVC. Others had proposed that the Andronovans were completely absorbed by BMAC - that's why no Andronovo artifacts in India or Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post


    Yes I think now there is a complete split between archaeology and genetics (this recent paper) I think. For ages we were told that Indo-Aryans came from BMAC and that is why the Andronovo type of evidence is absent from South Asia, while there was evidence of BMAC satellites cropping up after the decline of IVC. Others had proposed that the Andronovans were completely absorbed by BMAC - that's why no Andronovo artifacts in India or Iran.
    i dont know how much steppe IVC samples had if any at all
    but bottom line
    there culture was aryan
    there language was aryan
    so they are aryans
    if it goes like a duck and cwack like a duck
    than it is a duck

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