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    Quote Originally Posted by michal3141 View Post
    What is your "kit" and "deephaplo" in https://www.familytreedna.com/ws/Pub...YDNA&subgroup= ?
    As I said - this is based on public data from the link above. Alternatively you can tell me "lat" (latitude) and "lng" (longitude). You can send a private message to me in case you don't want to disclose this information here.
    Its no trouble. Well I belong to a founder effect with me and my Albanian match from Macedonia. He did not do bigy/yfull, so I am classified as L1029* basal on yfull, since my match did not test fullY to define our founder clade.

    My Yfull ID is, YF11397. My earliest ancestor on paper was born in Okshtun i Vogel, Diber Vogel, Albania. coordinates 41.384173, 20.347410

    M FTDNA kit: B188498, I am defined as L1029 - (FGC72553)* on R1a project. However, it is a theoretical placement. I am having my novels tested for my match at Yseq to confirm if the founder affect occurs there or elsewhere. It is believed to be upstream of YP263.
    Last edited by Dibran; 04-18-2018 at 02:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Its no trouble. Well I belong to a founder effect with me and my Albanian match from Macedonia. He did not do bigy/yfull, so I am classified as L1029* basal on yfull, since my match did not test fullY to define our founder clade.

    My Yfull ID is, YF11397. My earliest ancestor on paper was born in Okshtun i Vogel, Diber Vogel, Albania. coordinates 41.384173, 20.347410

    M FTDNA kit: B188498, I am defined as L1029 - (FGC72553)* on R1a project. However, it is a theoretical placement. I am having my novels tested for my match at Yseq to confirm if the founder affect occurs there or elsewhere. It is believed to be upstream of YP263.
    Dibran, Thanks for info.

    You see this is your data:

    {"kit":"B188498","lat":41.3839073,"lng":20.34801," savedLoc":"Okshtun I Vogel, Albania","kitName":"Not Disclosed","ancestor":null,"basehaplo":"R","deephaplo":"R-M198","isConfirmed":false,"subgroup":"4. ..\u003eZ282\u003ePF6155\u003eM458\u003ePF7521\u00 3eCTS11962\u003eL1029\u003e(FGC72553)*"}

    Note that I am using deephaplo which is R-M198 in your case to identify your final position in the R1a haplotree. Probably I should be using subgroup instead. This is surely not the final version of the tree. I hope to update it at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michal3141 View Post
    Dibran, Thanks for info.

    You see this is your data:

    {"kit":"B188498","lat":41.3839073,"lng":20.34801," savedLoc":"Okshtun I Vogel, Albania","kitName":"Not Disclosed","ancestor":null,"basehaplo":"R","deephaplo":"R-M198","isConfirmed":false,"subgroup":"4. ..\u003eZ282\u003ePF6155\u003eM458\u003ePF7521\u00 3eCTS11962\u003eL1029\u003e(FGC72553)*"}

    Note that I am using deephaplo which is R-M198 in your case to identify your final position in the R1a haplotree. Probably I should be using subgroup instead. This is surely not the final version of the tree. I hope to update it at some point.
    Look forward to the update. Considering known position, M198 is too general of an assessment for the data tree. It would be cool to add a feature that allows users to upload project data for their placement, and or yfull.

    Additionally, for some reason now R1a drop down does not populate the map or side panel. The others seem to be working well.

    Best

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post

    Additionally, for some reason now R1a drop down does not populate the map or side panel. The others seem to be working well.

    Best
    Try to refresh the page. I also experienced a similar issue. Maybe it is because there is a lot of data and browser has hard time with plotting the data.
    Ask Hunter about technical issues - he created the website: https://phylogeographer.com/about-me/

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    Quote Originally Posted by michal3141 View Post
    Try to refresh the page. I also experienced a similar issue. Maybe it is because there is a lot of data and browser has hard time with plotting the data.
    Ask Hunter about technical issues - he created the website: https://phylogeographer.com/about-me/
    It seems to work on my phone but not on the laptop .

    Anyway, the pathway for my clade is very wayward indeed , and this only shows the inherent limitations of using mostly modern Y-DNA to plot ancient movements .

    YDNA likely journey simplified : Battle Axe Culture > Nordic Bronze Age > Scandinavian Iron Age > Norsemen > Scots > probably Somerled

    Ancestry: English, Scottish & Irish

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    The migration route for my clade of R1a (YP-263) is crazy - it enters Italy as R1a then to Austria, then the UK, then off to Poland, then Russia, back to Poland, then finally in the North Sea between Holland and Britain. Pretty sure that is not the ancestral wanderings of R1a - Z645>Z282>M458>L1029>YP263. Wonder how that was calculated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kostoffj View Post
    The migration route for my clade of R1a (YP-263) is crazy - it enters Italy as R1a then to Austria, then the UK, then off to Poland, then Russia, back to Poland, then finally in the North Sea between Holland and Britain. Pretty sure that is not the ancestral wanderings of R1a - Z645>Z282>M458>L1029>YP263. Wonder how that was calculated?
    It looks like a method based solely on modern DNA findings - in other words it is completely useless .R1a expanding from Italy ? A certain Italian on another forum will be pleased indeed !!!
    Last edited by angscoire; 04-19-2018 at 08:32 AM.

    YDNA likely journey simplified : Battle Axe Culture > Nordic Bronze Age > Scandinavian Iron Age > Norsemen > Scots > probably Somerled

    Ancestry: English, Scottish & Irish

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    (FGC72553)>YP263 is currently most diverse in Germany, Poland and Sweden, but its original homeland is still a big unknown...https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    (FGC72553)>YP263 is currently most diverse in Germany, Poland and Sweden, but its original homeland is still a big unknown...https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
    I am YP263 (and beyond). I have been listed as "unknown," although after using close autosomal matches, it appears that my patrilineage is from Poland. I believe the West Slavs are primarily responsible for its spread to the British Isles and Ireland through Vikings such as the Danes. We know that the West Slavs and Danes were intertwined in settlements and battles during the 9th, 10th and 11th centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    I am YP263 (and beyond). I have been listed as "unknown," although after using close autosomal matches, it appears that my patrilineage is from Poland. I believe the West Slavs are primarily responsible for its spread to the British Isles and Ireland through Vikings such as the Danes. We know that the West Slavs and Danes were intertwined in settlements and battles during the 9th, 10th and 11th centuries.
    It would be great if you could update country of origin on YFull and FTDNA.

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