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    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox79 View Post
    You mean DA119 the U106 guy? That is the same grave here: http://www.zbsa.eu/research/poprad?set_language=en... I posted some stuff from the supplementary over in the other thread for this paper ;-).

    It had been robbed way back when... but still had plenty of rare and valuable grave goods!
    Yeah https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post390838

    The U106+ sample DA119 is an elite Germanic sample from the Late Roman Period.
    My K36 Analysis

    Sorry Open Genomes had to upload genome again ( I checked first week ago). Now this sample is fully Germanic.

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
           Dutch_Friesland          Niedersachsen          Dutch_Drenthe       Dutch_Gelderland Mecklenburg-Vorpommern    Nordrhein-Westfalen     Schleswig-Holstein       Northern_Ireland 
                  19.99494               20.12040               20.64603               21.28912               21.66333                         21.75650               22.02393               22.06524
    "distance%=19.849"


    Dutch_Friesland,62.2
    Niedersachsen,12.2
    Dutch_Drenthe,9.8
    Mecklenburg-Vorpommern,9.6
    Northern_Ireland,6
    Nordrhein-Westfalen,0.2



    his K36

    Central_Euro 11.66
    East_Central_Euro 11.40
    Fennoscandian 0.12
    French 10.81
    Iberian 8.80
    Italian 0.10
    North_Atlantic 12.42
    North_Sea 34.15
    West_Med 5.66



    At this time (418 AD) we could have only Vandals near Tatra mountains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velislav View Post
    To King John - the sample with my branch DA19 turned out to be a Saka Scythian from Central Asia, pretty interesting.
    Btw, to the person here who is E-V22 - your sample was found in "Tian Shan Hun", but having in mind that there are couple of preceding samples ("Tian Shan Saka") I believe your haplo has the same Saka source.
    velislav did the paper was out yet ?
    or you know the details on those samples from forum mologen ?
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    i was in vacation in greece so
    i wasnt following this thread lately .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    [
    p.s
    i was in vacation in greece so
    i wasnt following this thread lately .....
    What was the weather?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Yeah https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post390838



    My K36 Analysis

    Sorry Open Genomes had to upload genome again ( I checked first week ago). Now this sample is fully Germanic.

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
           Dutch_Friesland          Niedersachsen          Dutch_Drenthe       Dutch_Gelderland Mecklenburg-Vorpommern    Nordrhein-Westfalen     Schleswig-Holstein       Northern_Ireland 
                  19.99494               20.12040               20.64603               21.28912               21.66333                         21.75650               22.02393               22.06524
    "distance%=19.849"


    Dutch_Friesland,62.2
    Niedersachsen,12.2
    Dutch_Drenthe,9.8
    Mecklenburg-Vorpommern,9.6
    Northern_Ireland,6
    Nordrhein-Westfalen,0.2



    his K36

    Central_Euro 11.66
    East_Central_Euro 11.40
    Fennoscandian 0.12
    French 10.81
    Iberian 8.80
    Italian 0.10
    North_Atlantic 12.42
    North_Sea 34.15
    West_Med 5.66



    At this time (418 AD) we could have only Vandals near Tatra mountains.
    Ahh ok so sample is fully Germanic.. not mixed!

    Yeah I would agree based on what I read here:

    "At the same time, as the eclectic and heterogeneous cultural group south
    of the Carpathians discussed above was formed, close cultural connections
    between a south-Polish group of the Przeworsk-culture and the region on
    the Upper Tisza and in north-western Transylvania began to take place.
    A natural communication route between both regions using the high
    Carpathian ridges in northern Slovakia, allowed a long-distance cultural
    connection. The specific „North Carpathian Group" appeared in a brief
    span of time round 400 on both sides of the Carpathian Passes. A large
    part of the material culture shows relationships with the final stage of the
    Przeworsk-culture, and some of it to the cultural environment south of the
    Carpathians
    on the
    Upper Tisza
    and
    Transylvania. According
    to K.
    PIETA
    (1987, 386 f.; 1991) the colonisation of sparsely-settled Carpathian foothills
    in north Slovakia is connected with the migration of the Przeworsk-culture
    people from the west, however, no graves have been found so far. The
    occupation of the strategically situated hilltops with associated evidence of
    industrial activities, give an impression that this region plays an important
    role in the connections between the Vandalic tribes settled in south Poland
    and Silesia and their tribesmen in the Carpathian basin."

    Found that bit in this paper - haven't had time to read the whole thing... but yes Vandals (they reference a particular subgroup)! As far I know this "Chieftain's" Chamber grave was from one of those hilltop settlements! http://www.archaeology.ru/Download/T...ulturation.pdf
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    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Johann Adam Weber/Weaver born 1784 in Pennsylvania. Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004... FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers! Father Captain Martin Weber b. 1739 in Hesse(?), Germany, d. 1804 Dauphin, PA.

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    Some scholars think the Vandals took their name from Vendel in Sweden. U106 was also found in the ancient Lombards (as you already know), whose own oral tradition maintained that they came from southern Sweden, as well.

    That's interesting, given that RISE98 from the Nordic Battle Axe cemetery of Lilla Beddinge in Sweden (c. 2300 BC) was U106+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Some scholars think the Vandals took their name from Vendel in Sweden. U106 was also found in the ancient Lombards (as you already know), whose own oral tradition maintained that they came from southern Sweden, as well.

    That's interesting, given that RISE98 from the Nordic Battle Axe cemetery of Lilla Beddinge in Sweden (c. 2300 BC) was U106+.
    Yep this is the stuff I've been waiting on before I get too excited as I intend to follow the data first...

    Yes U106 of the Northern variety (L48 and Z18) in the Longobard/Lombard burial (especially at Szolad) and also Z156+ in at least two samples from the Baiuvarii early migration period cemeteries around Munich (with late Roman/Early migration period material)... and now a most likely Vandal (most surely a sub group) that is also U106 in a prominent burial in the early Migration period - really right when it kicked off... and his autosomal supports a Northern origin even though the isotope analysis looks local (could easily be a local, but they remained a patriarchal society in which their Northern Euro autosomal remained intact into the early migration period). The only thing I need now is more resolution on the sub groups as these are important as the distribution is slightly different (at least in modern samples - but perhaps also in migration samples... as L48/Z18 is more of an Eastern Germanic group for now (i.e. Szolad, Collegno, and now Northern Carpathian group), and Z156 is more Western Germanic for now - for the most part via the Baiuvarii remains).

    The Bronze Age remains for U106 are what they are... not great in terms of sub group resolution except for the Unetice guy who was S1894/S1900... but taken as a whole things are looking like U106 is very Northern European and Germanic... I'm wondering if there isn't a ton of it (especially DF98 and maybe DF96?) around in Central and Northern Germany - from the Bronze Age Unetice and related cultures aka the Nebra Sky disk - did it get there in the MDA (assuming here since Unetice man is circa early Unetice) and later it moved in the MBA to Northern Germany and Scandinavia via the amber finds map... or did it go through the Baltic in the EBA and then down from there into Central Germany and then spread in the Migration period. We have those two gladiators from near York... but they could also be POWs from the Germanic wars or auxiliaries... their autosomal per the K36 and Tolan's map is SW Scotland and Netherlands as most similar pop.

    Overall the trend is staying strong and I am excited for future Germanic Migration period burials - especially from Central and Northern Germany... but also for more Bronze Age remains especially for Z156 to see if any of it moved around during the Bronze Age and then perhaps DF98/DF96 got caught up in the Germanic expansion?
    Last edited by Bollox79; 05-11-2018 at 03:26 AM.
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Johann Adam Weber/Weaver born 1784 in Pennsylvania. Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004... FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers! Father Captain Martin Weber b. 1739 in Hesse(?), Germany, d. 1804 Dauphin, PA.

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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