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    Do I really have Spanish ancestry?

    So I have recently tested with FTDNA, I already did ancestrydna and 23andme, along with GEDMATCH. One thing that keeps coming up, and it's bothering me, is my Iberian (Spanish) ancestry.


    Take a look at this

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    AncestryDNA

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    GEDMATCH eurogenes K13, oracle 4

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 South_Dutch @ 4.610312
    2 West_German @ 6.314012
    3 Southeast_English @ 6.629475
    4 Southwest_English @ 8.237033
    5 Orcadian @ 8.523146
    6 North_German @ 8.836022
    7 North_Dutch @ 8.934137
    8 French @ 9.276475
    9 Danish @ 9.292733
    10 Irish @ 9.947059
    11 West_Scottish @ 10.265915
    12 Norwegian @ 11.237905
    13 Austrian @ 11.744900
    14 Swedish @ 12.045116
    15 East_German @ 12.634933
    16 North_Swedish @ 16.499380
    17 Hungarian @ 17.099298
    18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.461975
    19 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.246355
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.377327

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +50% Swedish @ 3.524662


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.724934


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++
    1 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.534403
    2 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.551302
    3 French + North_Swedish + Spanish_Aragon + Swedish @ 2.634399
    4 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.693231
    5 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.694433
    6 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 2.698313
    7 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.700845
    8 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.710923
    9 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.717952
    10 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.724934
    11 French + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Southwest_French @ 2.761876
    12 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.762767
    13 French + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.764307
    14 French + North_Swedish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 2.777186
    15 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.787021
    16 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.787418
    17 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.787733
    18 North_Swedish + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.788691
    19 French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.789438
    20 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.791108




    Both FTDNA and AncestryDNA show significant Iberian heritage for me, along with eurogenes k13 oracle showing Spanish. On 23andme, which I didn't include here, has me at 0.1% Iberian also. 23andme is the only test which doesn't give me that much Iberian, while the others do. Based on this, do you guys think I have legit Spanish ancestry? Or is there something else I'm missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianz91 View Post
    So I have recently tested with FTDNA, I already did ancestrydna and 23andme, along with GEDMATCH. One thing that keeps coming up, and it's bothering me, is my Iberian (Spanish) ancestry.


    Take a look at this

    FTDNA

    Untitled.jpg


    AncestryDNA

    untitled.png

    GEDMATCH eurogenes K13, oracle 4

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 South_Dutch @ 4.610312
    2 West_German @ 6.314012
    3 Southeast_English @ 6.629475
    4 Southwest_English @ 8.237033
    5 Orcadian @ 8.523146
    6 North_German @ 8.836022
    7 North_Dutch @ 8.934137
    8 French @ 9.276475
    9 Danish @ 9.292733
    10 Irish @ 9.947059
    11 West_Scottish @ 10.265915
    12 Norwegian @ 11.237905
    13 Austrian @ 11.744900
    14 Swedish @ 12.045116
    15 East_German @ 12.634933
    16 North_Swedish @ 16.499380
    17 Hungarian @ 17.099298
    18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.461975
    19 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.246355
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.377327

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +50% Swedish @ 3.524662


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.724934


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++
    1 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.534403
    2 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.551302
    3 French + North_Swedish + Spanish_Aragon + Swedish @ 2.634399
    4 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.693231
    5 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.694433
    6 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 2.698313
    7 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.700845
    8 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.710923
    9 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.717952
    10 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.724934
    11 French + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Southwest_French @ 2.761876
    12 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.762767
    13 French + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.764307
    14 French + North_Swedish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 2.777186
    15 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.787021
    16 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.787418
    17 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.787733
    18 North_Swedish + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.788691
    19 French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.789438
    20 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.791108




    Both FTDNA and AncestryDNA show significant Iberian heritage for me, along with eurogenes k13 oracle showing Spanish. On 23andme, which I didn't include here, has me at 0.1% Iberian also. 23andme is the only test which doesn't give me that much Iberian, while the others do. Based on this, do you guys think I have legit Spanish ancestry? Or is there something else I'm missing?
    What is your primary ancestry?

    Do you have any Spanish or Southern French DNA matches?

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    Sorry to be nitpicking, but why does it "bother" you? It's not like discovering Iberian ancestry is like finding out you have an illness. Considering your ancestry seems to be from all over the continent, having Iberian ancestry seems pretty normal.
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    Maybe if you are half Scandinavian then I would say it makes sense but otherwise, not really.

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    What does being half Scandinavian have to do with it? Just wondering, cuz I am 43% Scandinavian and 12% Iberian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Sorry to be nitpicking, but why does it "bother" you? It's not like discovering Iberian ancestry is like finding out you have an illness. Considering your ancestry seems to be from all over the continent, having Iberian ancestry seems pretty normal.
    It didn't mean it in a bad way, it's bothering me in the sense that I see it all the time and am just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timberwolf View Post
    What is your primary ancestry?

    Do you have any Spanish or Southern French DNA matches?

    My mother's side: German (Southern German specifically), English, with some Danish and Norwegian.

    My father's side: Scottish, Scots-Irish, Hungarian, and possibly some Southern European (Spanish?)

    Most of my DNA matches are from the USA, England, Canada, and Germany.
    Last edited by ianz91; 04-19-2018 at 05:13 PM.

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    Yes, British, Irish, Scottish people and a big portion of the Atlantic facade even up to Scandinavia could and do show Iberian ancestry depending on the company they choose. Yes, it is normal and no, it does not necessarily mean you have an unknown great grandfather that came from Barcelona.

    I am Spaniard, I score 5% Scandinavian in some tests but I am positively sure I have no recent (historical) Swedish ancestry nor any connection of that sort. I assume it is just a result induced by the samples used. Ethnicities are not restricted to definite and isolated locations and they overlap.

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    i get the Iberian component as well and assumed it was just admix from the southern Italian portion of my genetic background, similar to the Caucasus seen in Italian people

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    Through 23AndMe, my wife got something around 3-ish percent Iberian and a small amount (somewhere around 0.4%) North African with 60 percent British/Irish. We're wondering if it has to do something with the so-called "Black Irish" as some (likely apocryphal) theories say that they may have come from the survivors of the Spanish Armada disaster.

    We haven't run her info through Gedmatch yet.

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