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    Gedmatch / Eurogenes, large population distances but not mixed

    1 North_Sea 47.49
    2 Atlantic 22.83
    3 West_Med 10.09
    4 Baltic 8.06
    5 Eastern_Euro 5.32
    6 West_Asian 3.93
    7 Southeast_Asian 1.12
    8 Northeast_African 0.6
    9 Amerindian 0.2
    10 Sub-Saharan 0.19
    11 Siberian 0.16

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Norwegian 8.44
    2 Orcadian 9.38
    3 Norwegian 10.43
    4 North_Dutch 11.02
    5 Swedish 11.74
    6 West_Scottish 11.99
    7 Southwest_English 12.22
    8 Danish 12.41
    9 Southeast_English 12.55
    10 Irish 12.61
    11 West_German 13.25
    12 North_German 14.99
    13 North_Swedish 15.76
    14 South_Dutch 16.42
    15 French 18.5
    16 East_German 21.17
    17 Southwest_Finnish 23.07
    18 Hungarian 24.72
    19 Finnish 24.98
    20 Spanish_Galicia 24.99

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 70.1% West_Norwegian + 29.9% Orcadian - 8.22
    2 97.6% West_Norwegian + 2.4% Sardinian - 8.35
    3 96.3% West_Norwegian + 3.7% Spanish_Galicia - 8.39
    4 97.4% West_Norwegian + 2.6% Portuguese - 8.41
    5 94.3% West_Norwegian + 5.7% Southwest_English - 8.42
    6 95.9% West_Norwegian + 4.1% West_German - 8.43
    7 98.4% West_Norwegian + 1.6% Spanish_Extremadura - 8.43
    8 97.6% West_Norwegian + 2.4% French - 8.43
    9 98.6% West_Norwegian + 1.4% Spanish_Cantabria - 8.43
    10 98.7% West_Norwegian + 1.3% Spanish_Murcia - 8.43
    11 98.8% West_Norwegian + 1.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon - 8.43
    12 98.9% West_Norwegian + 1.1% Spanish_Cataluna - 8.43
    13 99.4% West_Norwegian + 0.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha - 8.44
    14 99.5% West_Norwegian + 0.5% Spanish_Aragon - 8.44
    15 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Dai - 8.44
    16 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Vietnamese - 8.44
    17 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% She - 8.44
    18 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Miaozu - 8.44
    19 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Lahu - 8.44
    20 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Moroccan - 8.44

    It's really only K15. EU/Jtest is like 6.33 or something. K13 closer & other oracles are closer still.

    Poor references? Isolation? Or as not border-straddling (/likely 'Anglicized') Welsh? Not just me, relatives get from 7 to 9.



    Compare > SE Welsh friend with Somerset/Southampton ancestry

    1 North_Sea 40.87
    2 Atlantic 24.65
    3 West_Med 8.9
    4 Baltic 8.17
    5 Eastern_Euro 6.33
    6 West_Asian 5.48
    7 Amerindian 1.38
    8 Northeast_African 1.25
    9 South_Asian 1.01
    10 Southeast_Asian 0.83
    11 Siberian 0.68
    12 Sub-Saharan 0.32
    13 Oceanian 0.11

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Orcadian 5.15
    2 North_Dutch 6.66
    3 West_Norwegian 6.83
    4 Southwest_English 7.44
    5 West_Scottish 7.48
    6 Norwegian 7.58
    7 Southeast_English 7.64
    8 Danish 7.81
    9 Irish 7.86
    10 West_German 9.14
    11 Swedish 9.15
    12 North_German 9.8
    13 South_Dutch 11.23
    14 North_Swedish 12.81
    15 French 14.04
    16 East_German 16.64
    17 Southwest_Finnish 19.2
    18 Hungarian 20.53
    19 Spanish_Galicia 21.28
    20 Austrian 21.38

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 78.6% Orcadian + 21.4% West_German - 4.68
    2 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Ossetian - 4.77
    3 96% Orcadian + 4% Tabassaran - 4.78
    4 97% Orcadian + 3% Abhkasian - 4.79
    5 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Balkar - 4.8
    6 96.9% Orcadian + 3.1% Georgian - 4.8
    7 98.1% Orcadian + 1.9% North_Amerindian - 4.81
    8 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Kumyk - 4.81
    9 96.7% Orcadian + 3.3% North_Ossetian - 4.81
    10 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Chechen - 4.82
    11 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Afghan_Tadjik - 4.82
    12 96% Orcadian + 4% Nogay - 4.82
    13 98.4% Orcadian + 1.6% Mayan - 4.83
    14 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Pima - 4.84
    15 96.6% Orcadian + 3.4% Kabardin - 4.84
    16 96.5% Orcadian + 3.5% Lezgin - 4.84
    17 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Anzick-1 - 4.84
    18 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Karitiana - 4.85
    19 96.8% Orcadian + 3.2% Adygei - 4.85
    20 97.9% Orcadian + 2.1% East_Greenlander - 4.86

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    This is relatively common I would say. Here's a south Swede with very similar results to yours, but lower Med and more Baltic/East Euro. Btw your North Sea is one of the highest I've seen.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 47.87
    2 Atlantic 21.25
    3 Eastern_Euro 12.17
    4 Baltic 12.06
    5 West_Med 3.01
    6 South_Asian 1.21
    7 Siberian 0.97
    8 Amerindian 0.87
    9 Oceanian 0.59

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Norwegian 6.59
    2 Norwegian 8.17
    3 Swedish 8.69
    4 North_Swedish 10.68
    5 North_Dutch 11.56
    6 Orcadian 11.89
    7 Danish 12.07
    8 West_Scottish 13.17
    9 Irish 14.04
    10 Southeast_English 14.84
    11 North_German 15.04
    12 Southwest_English 15.64
    13 West_German 16.02
    14 Southwest_Finnish 18.39
    15 South_Dutch 18.91
    16 Finnish 19.74
    17 East_German 20.69
    18 French 22.73
    19 Hungarian 23.83
    20 East_Finnish 24.71

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Abhkasian @ 6.59
    2 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Adygei @ 6.59
    3 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 6.59
    4 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.59
    5 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 6.59
    6 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.59
    7 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 6.59
    8 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Algerian @ 6.59
    9 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.59
    10 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Altaian @ 6.59
    11 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Anzick-1 @ 6.59
    12 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Armenian @ 6.59
    13 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 6.59
    14 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Assyrian @ 6.59
    15 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Austrian @ 6.59
    16 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 6.59
    17 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Azeri @ 6.59
    18 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Balkar @ 6.59
    19 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Balochi @ 6.59
    20 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Bangladeshi @ 6.59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barghest View Post
    1 North_Sea 47.49
    2 Atlantic 22.83
    3 West_Med 10.09
    4 Baltic 8.06
    5 Eastern_Euro 5.32
    6 West_Asian 3.93
    7 Southeast_Asian 1.12
    8 Northeast_African 0.6
    9 Amerindian 0.2
    10 Sub-Saharan 0.19
    11 Siberian 0.16

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Norwegian 8.44
    2 Orcadian 9.38
    3 Norwegian 10.43
    4 North_Dutch 11.02
    5 Swedish 11.74
    6 West_Scottish 11.99
    7 Southwest_English 12.22
    8 Danish 12.41
    9 Southeast_English 12.55
    10 Irish 12.61
    11 West_German 13.25
    12 North_German 14.99
    13 North_Swedish 15.76
    14 South_Dutch 16.42
    15 French 18.5
    16 East_German 21.17
    17 Southwest_Finnish 23.07
    18 Hungarian 24.72
    19 Finnish 24.98
    20 Spanish_Galicia 24.99

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 70.1% West_Norwegian + 29.9% Orcadian - 8.22
    2 97.6% West_Norwegian + 2.4% Sardinian - 8.35
    3 96.3% West_Norwegian + 3.7% Spanish_Galicia - 8.39
    4 97.4% West_Norwegian + 2.6% Portuguese - 8.41
    5 94.3% West_Norwegian + 5.7% Southwest_English - 8.42
    6 95.9% West_Norwegian + 4.1% West_German - 8.43
    7 98.4% West_Norwegian + 1.6% Spanish_Extremadura - 8.43
    8 97.6% West_Norwegian + 2.4% French - 8.43
    9 98.6% West_Norwegian + 1.4% Spanish_Cantabria - 8.43
    10 98.7% West_Norwegian + 1.3% Spanish_Murcia - 8.43
    11 98.8% West_Norwegian + 1.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon - 8.43
    12 98.9% West_Norwegian + 1.1% Spanish_Cataluna - 8.43
    13 99.4% West_Norwegian + 0.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha - 8.44
    14 99.5% West_Norwegian + 0.5% Spanish_Aragon - 8.44
    15 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Dai - 8.44
    16 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Vietnamese - 8.44
    17 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% She - 8.44
    18 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Miaozu - 8.44
    19 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Lahu - 8.44
    20 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Moroccan - 8.44

    It's really only K15. EU/Jtest is like 6.33 or something. K13 closer & other oracles are closer still.

    Poor references? Isolation? Or as not border-straddling (/likely 'Anglicized') Welsh? Not just me, relatives get from 7 to 9.



    Compare > SE Welsh friend with Somerset/Southampton ancestry

    1 North_Sea 40.87
    2 Atlantic 24.65
    3 West_Med 8.9
    4 Baltic 8.17
    5 Eastern_Euro 6.33
    6 West_Asian 5.48
    7 Amerindian 1.38
    8 Northeast_African 1.25
    9 South_Asian 1.01
    10 Southeast_Asian 0.83
    11 Siberian 0.68
    12 Sub-Saharan 0.32
    13 Oceanian 0.11

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Orcadian 5.15
    2 North_Dutch 6.66
    3 West_Norwegian 6.83
    4 Southwest_English 7.44
    5 West_Scottish 7.48
    6 Norwegian 7.58
    7 Southeast_English 7.64
    8 Danish 7.81
    9 Irish 7.86
    10 West_German 9.14
    11 Swedish 9.15
    12 North_German 9.8
    13 South_Dutch 11.23
    14 North_Swedish 12.81
    15 French 14.04
    16 East_German 16.64
    17 Southwest_Finnish 19.2
    18 Hungarian 20.53
    19 Spanish_Galicia 21.28
    20 Austrian 21.38

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 78.6% Orcadian + 21.4% West_German - 4.68
    2 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Ossetian - 4.77
    3 96% Orcadian + 4% Tabassaran - 4.78
    4 97% Orcadian + 3% Abhkasian - 4.79
    5 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Balkar - 4.8
    6 96.9% Orcadian + 3.1% Georgian - 4.8
    7 98.1% Orcadian + 1.9% North_Amerindian - 4.81
    8 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Kumyk - 4.81
    9 96.7% Orcadian + 3.3% North_Ossetian - 4.81
    10 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Chechen - 4.82
    11 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Afghan_Tadjik - 4.82
    12 96% Orcadian + 4% Nogay - 4.82
    13 98.4% Orcadian + 1.6% Mayan - 4.83
    14 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Pima - 4.84
    15 96.6% Orcadian + 3.4% Kabardin - 4.84
    16 96.5% Orcadian + 3.5% Lezgin - 4.84
    17 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Anzick-1 - 4.84
    18 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Karitiana - 4.85
    19 96.8% Orcadian + 3.2% Adygei - 4.85
    20 97.9% Orcadian + 2.1% East_Greenlander - 4.86
    Your North Sea is extremely high. Is this result from Gedmatch Genesis?

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    You're Welsh?

    I'd have thought your Atlantic be much higher and North sea lower? Figured North Sea was more Eastern England, Dutch, North Germany to Denmark with Atlantic being more dominant in the Celtic populations?


    You've certainly beat mine for a Eastern English chap.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 44.37
    2 Atlantic 20.62
    3 Baltic 9.30
    4 West_Med 8.87
    5 Eastern_Euro 7.96
    6 West_Asian 4.80
    7 Red_Sea 1.32

     
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_Norwegian @ 6.991489
    2 Norwegian @ 8.505827
    3 Swedish @ 9.854544
    4 Orcadian @ 9.973078
    5 North_Dutch @ 10.244491
    6 Danish @ 11.801214
    7 West_German @ 12.168098
    8 West_Scottish @ 12.536422
    9 Southwest_English @ 12.748678
    10 Southeast_English @ 13.081049
    11 Irish @ 13.225149
    12 North_Swedish @ 14.028803
    13 North_German @ 14.405421
    14 South_Dutch @ 16.505640
    15 French @ 19.422310
    16 East_German @ 20.700243
    17 Southwest_Finnish @ 22.526068
    18 Finnish @ 24.372377
    19 Hungarian @ 24.566914
    20 Austrian @ 26.956324

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_Norwegian +50% West_Norwegian @ 6.991489


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian @ 6.991489


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
    1 West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.696671
    2 West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.991489
    3 Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.141275
    4 Orcadian + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.187591
    5 Norwegian + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.189855
    6 Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.271047
    7 Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.410765
    8 Swedish + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.424678
    9 Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.438073
    10 North_Dutch + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.471003
    11 Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.504483
    12 Orcadian + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.546383
    13 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.623817
    14 North_Dutch + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.629523
    15 Norwegian + Orcadian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 7.638764
    16 French + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.734979
    17 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 7.737217
    18 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 7.747659
    19 West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.751675
    20 Southeast_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.757240
    Y-DNA R1a - Z284
    MtDNA - W1g

    Ancestry
    Mostly English with minor East German/Polish.
    *Eurogenes K15 - West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.696671
    *MDLP K23B - Dane_ + Dutch_ + Dutch_ + Dutch_ @ 1.366235
    *PuntDNAL K12 Ancient - Vatya_SG_RISE479 + Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 + BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 + BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 @ 1.023980

    Dad - Y-DNA R1a Z284 / MtDNA U5b2b1a1
    Mum - Y-DNA I1 / MtDNA W1g
    Granddad ( Mother's side ) - Y-DNA I1 / MtDNA H3y

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    If you are Welsh, K13 has no Welsh pool in the spreadsheet, so that might be an issue (Wales isn't that well sampled in general, I believe). But the bigger issue seems to be just that you have an unusually high amount of North Sea given your background so probably don't fit any of the pools very closely.

    My dad is roughly a quarter Welsh, rest mostly SE England and Shropshire (smattering of German, French, Dutch, but quite far back) and on K15 gets:

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 33.44
    2 Atlantic 29.81
    3 West_Med 11.27
    4 Eastern_Euro 9.34
    5 Baltic 9.07
    6 West_Asian 4.95

    That gives him:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southwest_English 3.11
    2 Southeast_English 4.22
    3 Irish 5.52
    4 South_Dutch 5.63
    5 West_Scottish 5.87

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    Livingdna has me at 1.6% for South Wales. MDLP World -22 brings it out.

    Eurogenes K13

    1 North_Atlantic 54.25
    2 Baltic 19.49
    3 West_Med 11.54
    4 West_Asian 7.13
    5 East_Med 3.54
    6 South_Asian 2.07

    1 West_Scottish 4.35
    2 Irish 5.09
    3 Southwest_English 5.1
    4 Orcadian 5.73
    5 Southeast_English 5.98
    6 North_Dutch 7.27
    7 Danish 7.48
    8 Norwegian 9.04
    9 North_German 9.44
    10 South_Dutch 10.19

    1 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Armenian @ 3.98
    2 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Kurdish @ 3.99
    3 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4
    4 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4
    5 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.01
    6 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Makrani @ 4.01
    7 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Azeri @ 4.02
    8 96.6% West_Scottish + 3.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.02
    9 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Assyrian @ 4.02
    10 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Iranian @ 4.02

    Eurogenes K15

    1 North_Sea 38.38
    2 Atlantic 31.41
    3 Eastern_Euro 10.71
    4 West_Med 6.94
    5 Baltic 4.79
    6 West_Asian 3.31
    7 East_Med 2.14
    8 South_Asian 1.69


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Orcadian 4.93
    2 West_Scottish 5.48
    3 Southeast_English 6
    4 Irish 6.47
    5 Danish 6.99
    6 Southwest_English 7.18
    7 North_Dutch 7.86
    8 North_German 9.69
    9 West_Norwegian 9.9
    10 Norwegian 10.34

    1 94.6% Orcadian + 5.4% French_Basque @ 4.67
    2 94.8% Orcadian + 5.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.76
    3 94.9% Orcadian + 5.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.76
    4 95.2% Orcadian + 4.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.78
    5 95.1% Orcadian + 4.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.79
    6 95.9% Orcadian + 4.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.8
    7 95.7% Orcadian + 4.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.82
    8 95.8% Orcadian + 4.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.83
    9 96.2% Orcadian + 3.8% Southwest_French @ 4.84
    10 95.8% Orcadian + 4.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.85

    MDLP World-22

    # Population Percent
    1 North-East-European 45.66
    2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.09
    3 West-Asian 9.77
    4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.12
    5 Indo-Iranian 2.24
    6 Near_East 2.04
    7 Samoedic 1.23

    1 German_V (derived) 4.57
    2 Austrian (derived) 5.43
    3 German-South (derived) 5.56
    4 CEU_V (derived) 6.04
    5 CEU (derived) 6.12
    6 Serbian (derived) 6.63
    7 British (derived) 6.75
    8 Welsh (derived) 6.87

    1 87.5% Welsh (derived) + 12.5% Adygei (derived) @ 1.72
    2 88.3% Welsh (derived) + 11.7% Georgian (derived) @ 1.81
    3 87.5% Welsh (derived) + 12.5% Kumyk (derived) @ 1.82
    4 88.1% Welsh (derived) + 11.9% Chechen (derived) @ 1.88
    5 87.3% Welsh (derived) + 12.7% Balkarian (derived) @ 1.89

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barghest View Post
    It's really only K15. EU/Jtest is like 6.33 or something. K13 closer & other oracles are closer still.

    Poor references? Isolation? Or as not border-straddling (/likely 'Anglicized') Welsh? Not just me, relatives get from 7 to 9.
    I'm thinking that this doesn't really look like a typical Welsh result from a standard test. So it would be interesting to know where the tests are from and whether they are Gedmatch or Genesis.

    I have Welsh ancestry, half North and half South, with one Flintshire greatgrandfather who had some English ancestry in the 1700s. So not very mixed and not very close to the border

    My Ancestry test on Eurogenes K15 on GEDmatch gives me 33% North Sea and 28% Atlantic. On Genesis this kit gives a very similar result. My Living DNA kit is slightly different at 36% North Sea and 27% Atlantic. On this kit my distances start at 5.07. Like Barghest I get West Norwegian at a distance of about 8 - but that is only my 12th closest population.
    Last edited by Phoebe Watts; 05-16-2018 at 07:27 PM. Reason: correct typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebe Watts View Post
    I'm thinking that this doesn't really look like a typical Welsh result from a standard test. So it would be interesting to know where the tests are from and whether they are Gedmatch or Genesis.

    I have Welsh ancestry, half North and half South, with one Flintshire greatgrandfather who had some English ancestry in the 1700s. So not very mixed and not very close to the border

    My Ancestry test on Eurogenes K15 on GEDmatch gives me 33% North Sea and 28% Atlantic. On Genesis this kit gives a very similar result. My Living DNA kit is slightly different at 36% North Sea and 27% Atlantic. On this kit my distances start at 5.07. Like Barghest I get West Norwegian at a distance of about 8 - but that is only my 12th closest population.
    I think he is distant to most populations because of his very high North Sea. His first population is at 8.44 which is not close for a first population match. West Norwegian is 1st because that is where North Sea peaks but his North Sea is higher than the North Sea average for Norwegian so he's not matching any populations too closely.

    I was also wondering if this result was from Genesis because that gives me an inflated North Sea score compared to normal Gedmatch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    I think he is distant to most populations because of his very high North Sea. His first population is at 8.44 which is not close for a first population match. West Norwegian is 1st because that is where North Sea peaks but his North Sea is higher than the North Sea average for Norwegian so he's not matching any populations too closely.

    I was also wondering if this result was from Genesis because that gives me an inflated North Sea score compared to normal Gedmatch.
    Yes, I agree. I was just wondering why that might be. I saw that Genesis gave you a different result while my results are more affected by the source of the test (Ancestry and LDNA).

    As there isn't a Welsh population in the calculator I wasn't expecting a close match to any population. But I'm still getting a closest distance of 5.07; my father's kit has a closest distance of 3.25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebe Watts View Post
    Yes, I agree. I was just wondering why that might be. I saw that Genesis gave you a different result while my results are more affected by the source of the test (Ancestry and LDNA).

    As there isn't a Welsh population in the calculator I wasn't expecting a close match to any population. But I'm still getting a closest distance of 5.07; my father's kit has a closest distance of 3.25.
    This is my result on the Eurogenes K15. Possibly the distance for you is due to no Welsh sample.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 37.04
    2 Atlantic 29.88
    3 Baltic 11.89
    4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
    5 West_Asian 5.16
    6 West_Med 4.95
    7 Amerindian 1.15
    8 Red_Sea 1.10


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish @ 3.425280
    2 West_Scottish @ 3.557808
    3 North_Dutch @ 4.181393
    4 Danish @ 4.453959
    5 Orcadian @ 5.505360
    6 Southeast_English @ 5.676529
    7 North_German @ 5.882824
    8 Southwest_English @ 7.466283
    9 Norwegian @ 8.417722
    10 West_Norwegian @ 8.735489
    11 Swedish @ 9.296607
    12 South_Dutch @ 11.184519
    13 West_German @ 12.499153
    14 North_Swedish @ 12.662151
    15 East_German @ 16.492691
    16 French @ 16.524723
    17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.903034
    18 Austrian @ 21.142027
    19 Finnish @ 21.647963
    20 Hungarian @ 21.914810

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% North_Dutch @ 3.203073


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 3.143203


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
    1 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.125094
    2 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.128713
    3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.143203
    4 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.144938
    5 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.150105
    6 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.159487
    7 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.182833
    8 North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.183386
    9 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.193700
    10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.195021
    11 North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.202463
    12 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 3.203073
    13 Danish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.235043
    14 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.235556
    15 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.238354
    16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.248949
    17 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 3.252259
    18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.254036
    19 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.259177
    20 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.268316

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