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    GEDmatch regular vs. genesis, your opinion...

    what is your take on the genesis version of the GEDmatch calculators as compared to the regular or old ones? here are my results from the same mixed mode population groups calculator model, one is regular the other is genesis. what are your thoughts about the accuracy? I've read that the genesis version is suppose to be more exact regarding analyzing the same data.

    Regular list:

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 50.72
    2 Mediterranean 26.84
    3 East_European 10.45
    4 West_Asian 9.5
    5 South_Asian 1
    6 Northwest_African 0.93
    7 East_African 0.56



    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 84.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 15.1% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.29
    2 84.1% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 15.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.46
    3 86.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 13.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.46
    4 86.9% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 13.1% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.5
    5 88.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 11.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.52
    6 88.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 11.3% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.55
    7 80.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 19.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.56
    8 87.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 12.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.58
    9 87.8% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 12.2% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.59
    10 88.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 11.5% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.6
    11 88.1% Orcadian (HGDP) + 11.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.64
    12 87.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 12.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.64
    13 88% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 12% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.71
    14 87.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 12.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.74
    15 85.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 14.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.77
    16 92.6% CEU (HapMap) + 7.4% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.78
    17 87% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 13% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.78
    18 86.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 13.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.79
    19 92.1% CEU (HapMap) + 7.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.81
    20 81.5% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 18.5% TSI (HapMap) @ 1.83


    Genesis list:


    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 44.6
    2 Mediterranean 29.5
    3 East_European 11.59
    4 West_Asian 10.1
    5 Southwest_Asian 2.74
    6 East_African 0.88
    7 Northwest_African 0.26
    8 Palaeo_African 0.23
    9 Southeast_Asian 0.08
    10 Northeast_Asian 0.03


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 69.1% German (Dodecad) + 30.9% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.6
    2 78.2% CEU (HapMap) + 21.8% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.62
    3 67.1% German (Dodecad) + 32.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.64
    4 73.7% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 26.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.99
    5 74.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 25.6% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.05
    6 79.1% CEU (HapMap) + 20.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.09
    7 61.6% German (Dodecad) + 38.4% TSI (HapMap) @ 2.17
    8 61.3% German (Dodecad) + 38.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.22
    9 71.7% German (Dodecad) + 28.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
    10 80% CEU (HapMap) + 20% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.38
    11 75.6% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 24.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.39
    12 80.9% CEU (HapMap) + 19.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.39
    13 52.2% British (Dodecad) + 47.8% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 2.4
    14 78.6% CEU (HapMap) + 21.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.42
    15 51.7% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 48.3% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 2.43
    16 76.2% N._European (Xing) + 23.8% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.46
    17 75.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 24.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.46
    18 74.8% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 25.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.51
    19 54.5% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 45.5% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 2.51
    20 57.4% Dutch (Dodecad) + 42.6% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 2.54

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    The GEDmatch Genesis tool uses beta-stage code that is constantly being updated. The MDLP K23b results for East Asians seem to have changed drastically in the last week or two. My ancestry component percentages and Oracle match order went from almost identical to my original GEDmatch results to noticeably different.

    Original Genesis
     
    MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 South_East_Asian 44.7
    2 Tungus-Altaic 30.33
    3 Austronesian 22.73
    4 East_Siberian 1.18


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Han-Mandarin_ @ 5.449822
    2 Korean_KR_ @ 9.533875
    3 Han_North_ @ 10.489211
    4 Korean_ @ 13.264145
    5 Hakka_ @ 14.577215
    6 Chinese_Taiwan_ @ 15.190683
    7 Tu_ @ 15.607691
    8 Japanese_ML_ @ 15.797633
    9 Tujia_ @ 16.413822
    10 Han_Singapore_ @ 16.434988
    11 Jinuo_ @ 16.847298
    12 Han_ @ 18.079504
    13 Ryukyuan_ @ 18.124203
    14 Paluang_ @ 19.269594
    15 Lawa_ @ 21.507597
    16 She_ @ 22.155087
    17 Japanese_ @ 22.729036
    18 Miao_ @ 23.004356
    19 Karen_ @ 23.020407
    20 Hmong_Miao_ @ 23.020941



    New Genesis
     
    MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 South_East_Asian 42.96
    2 Tungus-Altaic 26.19
    3 Austronesian 24.43
    4 East_Siberian 3.15
    5 Paleo_Siberian 1.53
    6 Australoid 1.03


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Han-Mandarin_ @ 2.723788
    2 Hakka_ @ 11.053407
    3 Chinese_Taiwan_ @ 11.567042
    4 Han_Singapore_ @ 12.724481
    5 Korean_KR_ @ 12.949689
    6 Jinuo_ @ 13.707837
    7 Han_North_ @ 13.768008
    8 Tujia_ @ 14.504435
    9 Han_ @ 15.208949
    10 Paluang_ @ 16.272093
    11 Korean_ @ 17.616385
    12 Lawa_ @ 17.649590
    13 Tu_ @ 18.386078
    14 Japanese_ML_ @ 18.827662
    15 She_ @ 19.323503
    16 Cantonese_ @ 19.340778
    17 Karen_ @ 19.367270
    18 Hmong_Miao_ @ 19.421576
    19 Ryukyuan_ @ 20.426294
    20 Miao_ @ 20.549599
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    What calculator was this? My Eurogenes K13 results are exactly the same on both. I didn't think there was any difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinBMc View Post
    What calculator was this? My Eurogenes K13 results are exactly the same on both. I didn't think there was any difference.
    I used Dodecad V3 for this example, but my MDLP has changed a bit too, as has HarappaWorld and some Eurogenes.... the basic or regular models have not changed from the past, but the genesis versions have and only recently so. the genesis models were the same as the regular models until this last week for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryS. View Post
    I used Dodecad V3 for this example, but my MDLP has changed a bit too, as has HarappaWorld and some Eurogenes.... the basic or regular models have not changed from the past, but the genesis versions have and only recently so. the genesis models were the same as the regular models until this last week for me.
    Genesis has changed a lot of my percentages, although usually in small amounts. Some have given me more West Asian than before, some less. They've all reduced some of my ethnicities, and given me small percentages on new ones I never got on the original calculators. Not really sure what to make of it to be honest!

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    regular MDLP K23b:

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.21
    2 European_Early_Farmers 27.46
    3 Caucasian 25.11
    4 South_Central_Asian 5.31
    5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.02
    6 Australoid 1.4
    7 North_African 0.96
    8 Archaic_Human 0.28
    9 Khoisan 0.23
    10 Melano_Polynesian 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_German ( ) 3.72
    2 German-Volga ( ) 3.73
    3 Frisian ( ) 5.66
    4 Belgian ( ) 6.03
    5 Dutch ( ) 6.34
    6 North_German ( ) 7.21
    7 Irish ( ) 7.73
    8 Italian_North ( ) 8.41
    9 Austrian ( ) 8.5
    10 English ( ) 8.58
    11 Dane ( ) 9.64
    12 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 9.92
    13 North_European ( ) 10.34
    14 Swede ( ) 10.51
    15 Norwegian_East ( ) 10.97
    16 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 11.24
    17 German_East ( ) 11.69
    18 CEU ( ) 12.27
    19 Hungarian ( ) 12.35
    20 Swede_Saami ( ) 12.47

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 82.5% Frisian ( ) + 17.5% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) @ 1.89
    2 82.2% Frisian ( ) + 17.8% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 1.89
    3 79.8% Frisian ( ) + 20.2% Kosovar ( ) @ 1.93
    4 82.1% Frisian ( ) + 17.9% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 1.94
    5 86% Frisian ( ) + 14% Italian_South ( ) @ 1.99
    6 85.6% Frisian ( ) + 14.4% Greek_Athens ( ) @ 1.99
    7 83.9% Frisian ( ) + 16.1% Central_Greek ( ) @ 2
    8 85% Frisian ( ) + 15% Sicilian_Center ( ) @ 2.04
    9 79.3% Frisian ( ) + 20.7% Bulgarian ( ) @ 2.05
    10 88.5% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11.5% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.05
    11 83.5% Frisian ( ) + 16.5% Ashkenazi ( ) @ 2.07
    12 79.4% Frisian ( ) + 20.6% Greek_Northwest ( ) @ 2.08
    13 88.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11.1% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.08
    14 85.5% Frisian ( ) + 14.5% Greek ( ) @ 2.09
    15 93.2% Belgian ( ) + 6.8% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.09
    16 84.6% Frisian ( ) + 15.4% Romanian_Jew ( ) @ 2.1
    17 84.4% Frisian ( ) + 15.6% Gagauz ( ) @ 2.11
    18 82.2% Frisian ( ) + 17.8% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 2.14
    19 84.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 15.6% Circassian ( ) @ 2.15
    20 93% Belgian ( ) + 7% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.15


    genesis MDLP K23b:

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 30.36
    2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 29.21
    3 European_Early_Farmers 29.09
    4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.28
    5 Near_East 2.13
    6 South_Central_Asian 1.6
    7 North_African 0.74
    8 Australoid 0.43
    9 Paleo_Siberian 0.35
    10 African_Pygmy 0.32
    11 Archaic_Human 0.17
    12 Subsaharian 0.17
    13 Archaic_African 0.16

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_North ( ) 6.03
    2 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 8.18
    3 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 8.77
    4 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 11.07
    5 German-Volga ( ) 11.12
    6 Serb_Serbia ( ) 11.19
    7 Austrian ( ) 11.67
    8 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 11.85
    9 South_German ( ) 11.93
    10 Kosovar ( ) 12.9
    11 Greek_Northwest ( ) 12.99
    12 Montenegrian ( ) 13.13
    13 Slovenian ( ) 13.16
    14 Hungarian ( ) 13.22
    15 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 13.77
    16 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 14.25
    17 Sicilian_West ( ) 14.28
    18 Croat ( ) 14.59
    19 Serb_BH ( ) 14.6
    20 Bulgarian ( ) 14.68

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 81.2% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 18.8% Sardinian ( ) @ 3.32
    2 50.3% Italian_Bergamo ( ) + 49.7% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 3.63
    3 52.6% Albanian_Tirana ( ) + 47.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) @ 3.93
    4 59.1% Kosovar ( ) + 40.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) @ 3.93
    5 54.3% Albanian_Tirana ( ) + 45.7% French ( ) @ 3.95
    6 57.6% Italian_Bergamo ( ) + 42.4% Croat ( ) @ 4.04
    7 61% Italian_Bergamo ( ) + 39% Croat_BH ( ) @ 4.08
    8 61.2% Kosovar ( ) + 38.8% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 4.13
    9 57.7% Italian_Bergamo ( ) + 42.3% Serb_BH ( ) @ 4.13
    10 63% Kosovar ( ) + 37% British ( ) @ 4.16
    11 54.7% Albanian_Tirana ( ) + 45.3% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 4.18
    12 59.5% Italian_Bergamo ( ) + 40.5% Bosnian ( ) @ 4.18
    13 54.5% Greek_Thessaly ( ) + 45.5% French ( ) @ 4.19
    14 53.9% Kosovar ( ) + 46.1% Belgian ( ) @ 4.21
    15 50.5% French ( ) + 49.5% Central_Greek ( ) @ 4.22
    16 60.9% Kosovar ( ) + 39.1% French ( ) @ 4.22
    17 56.6% Albanian_Tirana ( ) + 43.4% British ( ) @ 4.23
    18 52.7% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 47.3% French ( ) @ 4.29
    19 63.6% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 36.4% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 4.29
    20 78.7% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 21.3% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) @ 4.3


    regular EUtest:

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 28.71
    2 ATLANTIC 22.3
    3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.73
    4 WEST_MED 11.45
    5 EAST_EURO 11.15
    6 EAST_MED 6.71
    7 WEST_ASIAN 6.07
    8 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.58
    9 EAST_AFRICAN 0.3

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_&_Central_German 3.29
    2 NL 3.89
    3 English 5.08
    4 DK 6.73
    5 Cornish 7.34
    6 Orcadian 7.99
    7 NO 8.18
    8 South_&_Central_Swedish 8.58
    9 IE 8.78
    10 AT 9.39
    11 Scottish 10.22
    12 FR 10.7
    13 North_Swedish 11.9
    14 HU 14.75
    15 Serbian 15.79
    16 PT 17.39
    17 ES 18.53
    18 RO 19.22
    19 North_Italian 19.54
    20 South_Finnish 20.01

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94.3% NL + 5.7% Armenian @ 2.61
    2 94.8% NL + 5.2% GE @ 2.63
    3 93.5% NL + 6.5% TR @ 2.64
    4 94.5% NL + 5.5% Assyrian @ 2.64
    5 74.7% NO + 25.3% Tuscan @ 2.66
    6 94.3% NL + 5.7% Kurdish @ 2.69
    7 94.2% NL + 5.8% IR @ 2.72
    8 94.9% NL + 5.1% Mandean @ 2.77
    9 96.9% West_&_Central_German + 3.1% GE @ 2.85
    10 95.3% NL + 4.7% Druze @ 2.87
    11 94.2% NL + 5.8% Lezgin @ 2.88
    12 96.9% West_&_Central_German + 3.1% Armenian @ 2.91
    13 92.9% NL + 7.1% GR @ 2.94
    14 96.6% West_&_Central_German + 3.4% TR @ 2.94
    15 91.8% English + 8.2% Kurdish @ 2.95
    16 73.9% South_&_Central_Swedish + 26.1% Tuscan @ 2.95
    17 90.9% English + 9.1% TR @ 2.96
    18 79% English + 21% Serbian @ 2.97
    19 96.8% West_&_Central_German + 3.2% Lezgin @ 2.97
    20 97.2% West_&_Central_German + 2.8% Assyrian @ 2.97


    genesis EUtest

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.6
    2 ATLANTIC 21
    3 SOUTH_BALTIC 11.67
    4 WEST_MED 11.49
    5 EAST_EURO 10.84
    6 WEST_ASIAN 7.1
    7 EAST_MED 6.89
    8 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.97
    9 EAST_AFRICAN 0.27
    10 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.17

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_&_Central_German 5.2
    2 NL 5.65
    3 English 6.46
    4 DK 7.92
    5 Cornish 8.87
    6 NO 9.31
    7 Orcadian 9.43
    8 South_&_Central_Swedish 9.73
    9 IE 10.08
    10 AT 10.47
    11 FR 11.45
    12 Scottish 11.6
    13 North_Swedish 12.92
    14 HU 15.59
    15 Serbian 16.07
    16 PT 17.71
    17 ES 19.04
    18 RO 19.57
    19 North_Italian 19.67
    20 South_Finnish 20.94

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 90% English + 10% Kurdish @ 4.04
    2 92.8% NL + 7.2% GE @ 4.05
    3 91% English + 9% GE @ 4.05
    4 89% English + 11% TR @ 4.06
    5 89.9% English + 10.1% IR @ 4.07
    6 87.5% DK + 12.5% Armenian @ 4.09
    7 90.5% English + 9.5% Armenian @ 4.13
    8 89.4% English + 10.6% Lezgin @ 4.14
    9 92.5% NL + 7.5% Armenian @ 4.15
    10 91.5% NL + 8.5% TR @ 4.18
    11 72.8% NO + 27.2% Tuscan @ 4.19
    12 92.4% NL + 7.6% Kurdish @ 4.22
    13 92.8% NL + 7.2% Assyrian @ 4.22
    14 90.8% English + 9.2% Assyrian @ 4.23
    15 92.3% NL + 7.7% IR @ 4.24
    16 92% NL + 8% Lezgin @ 4.33
    17 85.9% DK + 14.1% TR @ 4.33
    18 93.3% NL + 6.7% Mandean @ 4.35
    19 91.3% English + 8.7% Mandean @ 4.38
    20 88.6% DK + 11.4% GE @ 4.4

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    no more Ashkenazi on the Jtest.

    regular Jtest:

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 28.34
    2 ATLANTIC 21.68
    3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.65
    4 EAST_EURO 10.88
    5 WEST_MED 10.79
    6 WEST_ASIAN 5.28
    7 EAST_MED 5.2
    8 ASHKENAZI 4.43
    9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.54
    10 EAST_AFRICAN 0.21

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_&_Central_German 3.44
    2 NL 3.94
    3 English 5.11
    4 DK 6.51
    5 Cornish 7.28
    6 Orcadian 7.92
    7 NO 7.93
    8 South_&_Central_Swedish 8.38
    9 IE 8.79
    10 AT 9.36
    11 Scottish 10.05
    12 FR 10.59
    13 North_Swedish 11.84
    14 HU 14.68
    15 Serbian 15.76
    16 PT 17.08
    17 ES 18.23
    18 RO 19.15
    19 North_Italian 19.43
    20 South_Finnish 19.6

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.2% NO + 24.8% Tuscan @ 2.71
    2 94.5% NL + 5.5% Armenian @ 2.79
    3 93.7% NL + 6.3% TR @ 2.82
    4 94.7% NL + 5.3% Assyrian @ 2.83
    5 95% NL + 5% GE @ 2.83
    6 94.5% NL + 5.5% Kurdish @ 2.87
    7 94.9% NL + 5.1% Mandean @ 2.9
    8 94.4% NL + 5.6% IR @ 2.9
    9 93.2% NL + 6.8% AJ @ 2.91
    10 78.8% English + 21.2% Serbian @ 2.97
    11 95.6% West_&_Central_German + 4.4% AJ @ 3
    12 91.9% English + 8.1% Kurdish @ 3.05
    13 79.7% DK + 20.3% Tuscan @ 3.05
    14 74.3% South_&_Central_Swedish + 25.7% Tuscan @ 3.06
    15 90.9% English + 9.1% TR @ 3.06
    16 93% NL + 7% GR @ 3.06
    17 92.7% NL + 7.3% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.07
    18 95.5% NL + 4.5% Druze @ 3.07
    19 94.5% NL + 5.5% Lezgin @ 3.08
    20 85.3% DK + 14.7% GR @ 3.1


    genesis Jtest:

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.21
    2 ATLANTIC 20.25
    3 SOUTH_BALTIC 11.58
    4 WEST_MED 10.8
    5 EAST_EURO 10.5
    6 WEST_ASIAN 6.28
    7 EAST_MED 5.22
    8 ASHKENAZI 5.03
    9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.96
    10 EAST_AFRICAN 0.17

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_&_Central_German 5.48
    2 NL 5.83
    3 English 6.58
    4 DK 7.83
    5 Cornish 8.91
    6 NO 9.21
    7 Orcadian 9.49
    8 South_&_Central_Swedish 9.67
    9 IE 10.23
    10 AT 10.46
    11 FR 11.38
    12 Scottish 11.54
    13 North_Swedish 12.94
    14 HU 15.54
    15 Serbian 16.11
    16 PT 17.43
    17 ES 18.78
    18 RO 19.52
    19 North_Italian 19.6
    20 South_Finnish 20.61

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 87.7% DK + 12.3% Armenian @ 4.24
    2 90.1% English + 9.9% Kurdish @ 4.31
    3 89% English + 11% TR @ 4.33
    4 90% English + 10% IR @ 4.34
    5 91.1% English + 8.9% GE @ 4.34
    6 90.5% English + 9.5% Armenian @ 4.36
    7 93% NL + 7% GE @ 4.42
    8 73.2% NO + 26.8% Tuscan @ 4.46
    9 89.6% English + 10.4% Lezgin @ 4.47
    10 90.8% English + 9.2% Assyrian @ 4.49
    11 92.7% NL + 7.3% Armenian @ 4.49
    12 86.2% DK + 13.8% TR @ 4.49
    13 91.6% NL + 8.4% TR @ 4.54
    14 88.9% DK + 11.1% GE @ 4.55
    15 92.6% NL + 7.4% Kurdish @ 4.57
    16 82.8% DK + 17.2% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.58
    17 91.3% English + 8.7% Mandean @ 4.58
    18 93% NL + 7% Assyrian @ 4.59
    19 92.5% NL + 7.5% IR @ 4.59
    20 77.6% DK + 22.4% Tuscan @ 4.59

    I'm thinking [in my case] the regular models are just a little light on the Mediterranean but the genesis models are either too heavy or go too far into the Caucuses. the regular models are closer to center "distance" wise as you cant see. though I do not know what scale is used for these measurements or if the same scale or different scale is used for the regular model and the genesis model.
    Last edited by JerryS.; 04-25-2018 at 05:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryS. View Post
    I'm thinking [in my case] the regular models are just a little light on the Mediterranean but the genesis models are either too heavy or go too far into the Caucuses.
    It seems to have increased your Caucasus quite significantly, although in the Dodecad v3 are the mixed population percentages more accurate for you? I notice the distances are higher in genesis for you, it's the same for me.

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    Some similar patterns to Jerry S.
    Gedmatch MDLP K23b
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.04
    2 European_Early_Farmers 27.79
    3 Caucasian 23.05
    4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.32
    5 South_Central_Asian 3.82
    6 Near_East 2.72


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Belgian_ @ 2.742932
    2 Frisian_ @ 4.009971
    3 English_ @ 4.309509
    4 German-Volga_ @ 4.401709
    5 South_German_ @ 4.416480
    6 Irish_ @ 5.103638
    7 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 5.241352
    8 North_European_ @ 5.486099
    9 Dutch_ @ 5.598124
    10 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 6.342453
    11 CEU_ @ 6.399582
    12 British_ @ 6.912372
    13 Welsh_ @ 7.046048
    14 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 8.578541
    15 Norwegian_East_ @ 8.633936
    16 Norwegian_West_ @ 8.945950
    17 North_German_ @ 9.017219
    18 Orcadian_ @ 9.120359
    19 Dane_ @ 9.232528
    20 Austrian_ @ 9.463321

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Belgian_ +50% German-Volga_ @ 2.403964


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% English_Kent_GBR_ +25% Macedonian_ +25% Norwegian_West_ @ 1.802727


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
    1 Albanian_Tirana_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.635040
    2 Albanian_Tirana_ + British_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.637967
    3 English_Kent_GBR_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.638370
    4 Belgian_ + Kosovar_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.640595
    5 British_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.641184
    6 British_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.703319
    7 English_Kent_GBR_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.710076
    8 Albanian_Tirana_ + CEU_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.718214
    9 English_Kent_GBR_ + Kosovar_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.735391
    10 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Macedonian_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.747359
    11 British_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.768618
    12 English_Kent_GBR_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.775385
    13 CEU_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.790363
    14 Belgian_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.801089
    15 English_Kent_GBR_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Macedonian_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.802727
    16 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Kosovar_ + Norwegian_West_ + Swede_ @ 1.833532
    17 Albanian_Tirana_ + Belgian_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.839562
    18 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.850937
    19 Central_Greek_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.856446
    20 Albanian_Tirana_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Norwegian_West_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 1.856558

    Genesis MDLP K23b
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.04
    2 European_Early_Farmers 27.79
    3 Caucasian 23.05
    4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.32
    5 South_Central_Asian 3.82
    6 Near_East 2.72
    7 South_Indian 0.5
    8 Amerindian 0.29
    9 Melano_Polynesian 0.26
    10 Archaic_Human 0.22

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Belgian ( ) 2.89
    2 Frisian ( ) 3.72
    3 South_German ( ) 4.1
    4 German-Volga ( ) 4.82
    5 Dutch ( ) 5.02
    6 English ( ) 5.63
    7 Irish ( ) 5.63
    8 North_German ( ) 6.12
    9 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 6.89
    10 North_European ( ) 7.31
    11 Dane ( ) 7.38
    12 Swede ( ) 7.7
    13 Norwegian_East ( ) 8.08
    14 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 8.29
    15 CEU ( ) 9.13
    16 British ( ) 9.56
    17 Welsh ( ) 9.62
    18 Austrian ( ) 9.93
    19 Norwegian_West ( ) 10.34
    20 French ( ) 10.96

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 93.2% Belgian ( ) + 6.8% Greek_Phokaia ( ) @ 1.51
    2 70.3% Norwegian_West ( ) + 29.7% Kosovar ( ) @ 1.58
    3 91.9% Belgian ( ) + 8.1% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 1.64
    4 95.8% Belgian ( ) + 4.2% Druze ( ) @ 1.65
    5 93.7% Belgian ( ) + 6.3% Greek_Macedonia ( ) @ 1.66
    6 95.4% Belgian ( ) + 4.6% Lebanese_Christian ( ) @ 1.68
    7 94.8% Belgian ( ) + 5.2% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.68
    8 94.3% Belgian ( ) + 5.7% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 1.68
    9 93.6% Belgian ( ) + 6.4% Greek ( ) @ 1.69
    10 73.1% Norwegian_West ( ) + 26.9% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 1.69
    11 92.2% Belgian ( ) + 7.8% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 1.7
    12 95.4% Belgian ( ) + 4.6% Lebanese_Druze ( ) @ 1.71
    13 93% Belgian ( ) + 7% Central_Greek ( ) @ 1.72
    14 94% Belgian ( ) + 6% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.72
    15 92.3% Belgian ( ) + 7.7% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 1.73
    16 92.5% Belgian ( ) + 7.5% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) @ 1.74
    17 91.1% Belgian ( ) + 8.9% Greek_Northwest ( ) @ 1.75
    18 93.8% Belgian ( ) + 6.2% Greek_Athens ( ) @ 1.75
    19 91.2% Belgian ( ) + 8.8% Macedonian ( ) @ 1.75
    20 93.3% Belgian ( ) + 6.7% Romanian_Jew ( ) @ 1.75

    I have no idea which lines my Mediterranean and Scandinavian components come from. The Albanian_Tirana hit was quite a surprise.

    My LivingDNA Genesis provides much more variation, as you would expect.
    Last edited by Torc Seanathair; 04-25-2018 at 05:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ais View Post
    It seems to have increased your Caucasus quite significantly, although in the Dodecad v3 are the mixed population percentages more accurate for you? I notice the distances are higher in genesis for you, it's the same for me.
    yes, the distances with genesis are a little higher but at least they are within the same degree of differences i.e. regular is low of 2.2 and high of 2.7 difference of .5, while genesis is 4.2 low and 4.7 high for a difference of .5 as well.

    for me I guess its not that big of a deal, but as you can see, adding just 1 or 2 percent of one thing and taking just 1 or 2 percent of another can change the ethnicity models for someone. for instance in my case I have no French ancestry and never got French on a population model (other than what I think is the grossly inaccurate single population lists) but with the new genesis French comes up as a primary population group on the mixed mode population groups and in some cases my Italian is way over represented and even shift more north than what it is.

    I realize this is really just good guess work at best for people that have mixed ancestry like I do. I was just wondering who else has had some noticeable changes.

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