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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    You're confusing Parsis for Iranis, who are later arrivals in the 19th/20th centuries that were invited by the Parsis. Some original Parsi villages retain names of the old settlements from which they originate, e.g. Navsari ('new Sari' in Gujarati, referring to Sari in Mazandaran, though the origin is disputed) or Sanjan (referring to the place in Khorezmia, now in Turkmenistan) among others.
    ALL Parsis encompassing Indian Zoroastrians, including those Qajari ones identify themselves as such, the Irani distinction is within their own community but the lines are blurred as they have integrated with the earlier Parsi community rapidly. They were not "invited" there lol , the second wave of Zoroastrians were fleeing severe religious persecution from Islamists during the Qajar period who were more hardline and far worse than at any time prior. The earlier Parsi group facilitated an easier transition. They are definitely not from Northern Iran. Some Parsis do show up to Shab e Yalda and Mehregan events sponsored by the local Iranians here and they usually accompany their Iranian Zoroastrian brethren. The ones I encountered here largely trace their origins to Shiraz in Fars or Sirjan , an area bordering Fars in Kerman province and that's consistent with the model I have above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    ALL Parsis encompassing Indian Zoroastrians, including those Qajari ones identify themselves as such, the Irani distinction is within their own community but the lines are blurred as they have integrated with the earlier Parsi community rapidly. They were not "invited" there lol , the second wave of Zoroastrians were fleeing severe religious persecution from Islamists during the Qajar period who were more hardline and far worse than at any time prior. The earlier Parsi group facilitated an easier transition. They are definitely not from Northern Iran. Some Parsis do show up to Shab e Yalda and Mehregan events sponsored by the local Iranians here and they usually accompany their Iranian Zoroastrian brethren. The ones I encountered here largely trace their origins to Shiraz in Fars or Sirjan , an area bordering Fars in Kerman province and that's consistent with the model I have above.
    Nope, the distinction is noted by regular Indians as well. The Irani community is known for being mostly in service sector businesses, and if you go around India, you'll find dots of Irani cafes run by them. On the other hand, Parsis are more mercantile mostly serving in the industrial sector. Not to mention, Parsis are Gujarati speaking largely, and they dress in native clothes such as sarees, while Iranis are hindi/English speakers concentrated in cities like mumbai, some even retaining knowledge of Dari. I've known both Parsis and Iranis here (who have immigrated well above their proportions), and also going by the Qissa-E-Sanjan, it is likely the Parsi community is from greater Khorasan, rather than further south like Pars or Kerman. The Iranis of course are probably from various areas in Iran. The 'persecution' thing is something you'd read off wikipedia, but if you speak to Parsis/Iranis, they'll tell you that wealthy Parsi elites wanted their economically deprived religious brethren to enjoy the same life as them, rather than something simplistic like religious persecution. This not only facilitated their migration to Bombay, but also their economic upheavel in Iran, and migration to cities like Tehran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    Nope, the distinction is noted by regular Indians as well. The Irani community is known for being mostly in service sector businesses, and if you go around India, you'll find dots of Irani cafes run by them. On the other hand, Parsis are more mercantile mostly serving in the industrial sector. Not to mention, Parsis are Gujarati speaking largely, and they dress in native clothes such as sarees, while Iranis are hindi/English speakers concentrated in cities like mumbai, some even retaining knowledge of Dari. I've known both Parsis and Iranis here (who have immigrated well above their proportions), and also going by the Qissa-E-Sanjan, it is likely the Parsi community is from greater Khorasan, rather than further south like Pars or Kerman. The Iranis of course are probably from various areas in Iran. The 'persecution' thing is something you'd read off wikipedia, but if you speak to Parsis/Iranis, they'll tell you that wealthy Parsi elites wanted their economically deprived religious brethren to enjoy the same life as them, rather than something simplistic like religious persecution. This not only facilitated their migration to Bombay, but also their economic upheavel in Iran, and migration to cities like Tehran.

    Here is the source
    Sometimes googling sources is not a great idea actually interacting with them is a better source. Food for thought.
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    I will post this here since I have modelled these groups countless times here. These are all from Swat and Dir regions. Interestingly Kohistani are 50% H1a, and Uthmankhels are 80% G2b, other Pashtuns are 80% R1a. Though Kohistanis have a far smaller population compared to Pashtuns in this region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbo007 View Post
    23andme updated how they show ancestry by location. And, now nepal is lumped under north-east india and bengal. not sure i like this. How does one go about telling them to change the label?
    Tbh, 23andme does some crazy things with their groupings. They try to focus more on European subgroups & do not really care much about other parts of the world. For example with their grouping, non-Punjabi might get Punjab not because that person originates from modern day Punjab, but people that share their genetics migrated to Punjab & mixed in there or something. Similarly Northern population getting Southern subgroups could be because someone closely related to them went to South India & mixed into population. This applies to all groupings within South Asia imo. Nepal getting lumped under North East India could be because some Nepali subgroups have migrated to North East India (like Sikkim) & mixed into that population. Or maybe they also sampled Nepali population from there. I wouldn't expect Nepali population of Sikkim, Bhutan, and Nepal to be different from each other.

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