Global25 automated nMonte for South/Central Asian members

[heksindhi]

Dang, thank you. Its weird i have no gujarathi ancestry. But i do have some west asian. Also surprised about the african is that really accurate?

Thats why it's useful to start with a known "anchor" ancestry to build a model. For example, using additional ancestries from the West Coast of India.

Mixed Oracles	Distance
56.8% Kerala Nair + 43.2% Kerala Knanaya	2.01
96% Kerala Nair + 4% Syrian	2.06
96% Kerala Nair + 4% Iraqi	2.07
95.4% Kerala Nair + 4.6% Iranian Fars	2.1
94.4% Kerala Nair + 5.6% Iranian Bandari	2.11
96.6% Kerala Nair + 3.4% Syrian Jew	2.14
80.4% Kerala Nair + 19.6% Kerala Payyanur	2.27
92.4% Kerala Nair + 7.6% Kerala Vaniya	2.33
96% Kerala Nair + 4% Kerala Namboothiri	2.33
50% Kerala Nair + 50% Kerala Nair	2.33

[shaunsajan]

im not really familiar with an anchor ancestry but ya. My ethnic group is knanaya which i guess show up in the new one

[Cringe7201]

Telugu kammas from Telangana

chickenbiryani_scaled,0.052,-0.0638,-0.1528,0.1003,-0.0806,0.0569,-0.0017,0.0114,0.0371,0.0179,-0.0087,-0.004,0.0028,0.0044,-0.0021,-0.0057,-0.0025,0.0005,0.0002,0.0019,0.0036,0.004,0.0045,-0.0047,-0.0033

chickenbiryani_unscaled,0.004568,-0.006282,-0.040518,0.031052,-0.02619,0.020402,-0.000723,0.00494,0.01814,0.009822,-0.005358,-0.002669,0.001883,0.003197,-0.001547,-0.004299,-0.001917,0.000395,0.000159,0.001519,0.002885,0.003 235,0.003651,-0.0039,-0.002756

Target:

chickenbiryani_scaled

Distance: 5.1147% /

0.05114659

52.8Iran_Mesolithic

40.8AASI

3.6EHG

2.8Anatolia_N


Just for fun

Target: chickenbiryani_scaled

Distance: 1.7184% / 0.01718391

51.6 Kashmiri_Pakistan

48.4 Mala

Distance to: chickenbiryani_scaled

0.08878846 Kashmiri_Pakistan

0.09455961 Mala

There are no Kammas in Telangana. All Hyderabadi and border district ones like Khammam are migrants from Andhra, same with Brahmins. Almost all Kammas are from Kammanadu. This guy too is half Nellore, half Vijayawada not Telangana.

Screenshot-20221201-131214-Quora.jpg

He and his mom took the test

[ammi]

There are no Kammas in Telangana. All Hyderabadi and border district ones like Khammam are migrants from Andhra, same with Brahmins. Almost all Kammas are from Kammanadu. This guy too is half Nellore, half Vijayawada not Telangana.

Screenshot-20221201-131214-Quora.jpg

He and his mom took the test

Yes, he mentioned his ancestors had been living in Telangana/Hyderabad for the last several generations, but were originally from Coastal Andhra, So yes I should have mentioned that in my post.

[dkhanux]

Got around to getting my wife's G25 coordinates (Ancestry), good to know we can still go through Davidski directly. She's from Jalalabad, Afghanistan as were her parents and grandparents on both sides. Paternal Pashtun tribe is Ludin and Maternal Pashtun tribe is Shinwari.

Ancestry gave her Northern India and Northern Pakistan as well as Iran as her communities and she had a descent chunk of Kurdish from Living DNA. She seems to get around 3% Emirati/Saudi/Palestinian on modern models. It could perhaps be coming from her great grandfather on her mother side who was originally from Herat.

Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
Distance: 2.6934% / 0.02693418
36.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
18.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
10.2 TJK_Sarazm_En
8.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
5.6 KAZ_Botai
3.0 Levant_PPNB
1.0 Han

Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
Distance: 2.6849% / 0.02684865
45.0 CHN_Junmachanyilian_HE2
30.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
10.8 KAZ_Mys_MLBA
6.0 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
4.0 MNG_Mongol
3.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
0.4 S_AASI_Sim

Using Genoplot's Optifit feature
I've made her sample public on Genoplot under Pashtun Jalalabad
dkhanux ► Pashtun Jalalabad
nearest group: Kamboj
Tarkalani43.8
Sindhi41.4
Kho Singanali13
Saudi 1.8

Mixed Oracles Distance
61% Tarkalani + 39% Sindhi 1.59
75.4% Tarkalani + 24.6% Gujar India 1.65
87.4% Tarkalani + 12.6% Gujarati 1.68
56.8% Tarkalani + 43.2% Khatri 1.79
60.2% Uthmankhel + 39.8% Sindhi 1.86
72.4% Yusufzai + 27.6% Sindhi 1.87
74.2% Sindhi + 25.8% Tajik Shugnan 1.87
62.6% Tarkalani + 37.4% Kohistani 1.89
52% Tarkalani + 48% Pashtun 1.94
52% Kamboj + 48% Tarkalani 1.97
86.4% Yusufzai + 13.6% Gujar India 1.98
71.4% Yusufzai + 28.6% Khatri 1.99
77.4% Yusufzai + 22.6% Kohistani 2.02
94.2% Yusufzai + 5.8% Gujarati 2.02
54.8% Uthmankhel + 45.2% Khatri 2.04
76.8% Uthmankhel + 23.2% Gujar India 2.05
71.6% Yusufzai + 28.4% Pashtun 2.08
68.2% Yusufzai + 31.8% Kamboj 2.09
86.4% Khatri + 13.6% Iranian Mazandarani 2.1
88.8% Uthmankhel + 11.2% Gujarati 2.12

Using the whole source on Vahaduo:

Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
Distance: 1.4833% / 0.01483261
24.4 Pashtun_Laghman_Safi
22.4 Sindhi
10.6 Khalil_Pashtun
10.2 Kakakhel_scaled
9.6 Kumaoni_Brahmin
6.4 Kashmiri_Pandit
6.0 Pashtun_FATA_Mohmand
5.8 Bettani_Pashtun
1.8 EmiratiA
1.4 Bukharian_Jew
1.2 Kho_Singanali
0.2 Kosipe

Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
Distance: 1.6248% / 0.01624840 | R3P
64.8 Tarkalani
30.4 Sindhi
4.8 Kumaoni_Brahmin

Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
Distance: 1.5679% / 0.01567913 | R4P
54.2 Tarkalani
25.6 Sindhi
17.6 Kashmiri_Pandit
2.6 EmiratiA

Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
Distance: 1.5271% / 0.01527126 | R5P
33.4 Tarkalani
30.6 Sindhi
19.2 Pashtun_Laghman_Safi
11.6 Kumaoni_Brahmin
5.2 Bukharian_Jew

Distance to: Pashtun_Jalalabad
0.02203865 Yusufzai
0.02400245 Tarkalani
0.02437372 Kamboj
0.02564151 Pashtun_Kurram
0.02571661 Khalil_Pashtun
0.02642236 Pashtun_Bannu(Average)
0.02665953 Uthmankhel
0.02710148 Bannu_Khattak
0.02786944 Bannu_Pashtun
0.02879991 Pashtun_Laghman_Safi
0.02885062 Khatri
0.03065323 Pashtun_Khattak
0.03391034 Kakakhel_scaled
0.03432562 Sindhi
0.03435243 Kohistani
0.03479586 Pashtun_Khattak
0.03555684 Pashtun_FATA_Mohmand
0.03630114 Punjabi_Jatt
0.03750513 Kho_Singanali
0.03887576 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.03908484 NowsheraKhattak
0.03985757 Kandahar_Pashtun
0.04040205 Betthani/Khalil Pashtun
0.04077785 Pashtun_FATA_Kurram_(HGDP00259)
0.04155532 Pashtun_DurraniAverage

Pashtun_Jalalabad,0.078538,0.017264,-0.096166,0.060078,-0.072937,0.034304,0.001645,0.006923,-0.010022,-0.009112,-0.007957,-0.003147,0.004906,-0.009083,0.00665,0.021214,0.007171,0.004054,0.0050 28,-0.009505,-0.007612,-0.002226,-0.001109,0.002892,0.001557

[heksindhi]

Got around to getting my wife's G25 coordinates (Ancestry), good to know we can still go through Davidski directly. She's from Jalalabad, Afghanistan as were her parents and grandparents on both sides. Paternal Pashtun tribe is Ludin and Maternal Pashtun tribe is Shinwari.

Ancestry gave her Northern India and Northern Pakistan as well as Iran as her communities and she had a descent chunk of Kurdish from Living DNA. She seems to get around 3% Emirati/Saudi/Palestinian on modern models. It could perhaps be coming from her great grandfather on her mother side who was originally from Herat.

I find that a PCA (including neighboring populations) helps set context for further modeling.

[Cringe7201]

Yes, he mentioned his ancestors had been living in Telangana/Hyderabad for the last several generations, but were originally from Coastal Andhra, So yes I should have mentioned that in my post.

I don't think any Kamma will be claim to be from Telangana. They are the most hated by Telangana people and Kammas also hate Telangana the most among all Andhra castes I know. Kammas and Brahmins are not native to Telangana except in Khammam which is culturally the same as Central Andhra. Telangana is mostly Gollas,Madigas,Muslims and Reddys.

[Coldmountains]

https://ngdc.cncb.ac.cn/bioproject/b...dc/PRJNA448645

Found 8000 Pakistani wgs samples (analyzed for medical research) but the access is restricted on ena and just accessible for researchers. Is there a way to access them on chinese GSA or somehow else? (maybe access is not restricted there).

It seems there is lot of research with whole genome sequencing in Pakistan but somehow just for medical purproses and the population genomics studies still just analyze str markers and few uniparental snps so often useless ...

[Kaazi]

Is the Punjabi Brahmin average real or simulated?? It represents Potohari (Rahul like) and more Northern profile rather than mainstream Punjabi Brahmins.

Sample	Fit	IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA3	RUS Srubnaya Alakul MLBA	UZB Dzharkutan1 BA	NPL Chokhopani 2700BP
BR Kashmiri Pandit-1 (Kashmiri Pandit)	1.95	46	21	28.4	4.6
Rakhshakashmiripandit (rakhshakashmiri)	2.38	49.6	22.2	24.6	3.6
Rahul77 AGUser (Potohar Brahmin)	1.55	51.4	20.6	24.4	3.6
Punjabi Brahmin Average (Protein)	1.56	51.8	20.6	23.8	3.8
Punjabi Tarkhan AVG (Duffydemon)	1.33	53	23.4	22	1.6
Average (Punjabi Hindu India)	1.36	53.4	23	21.4	2.2
bored AGUser (Brahmin Jammu)	2.44	53.8	21.6	20	4.6
Himachal Brahmin Average (Kaazi)	2.00	55.2	21.8	17.8	5.2
Rajasthani Brahmin Dadhich Gaur (Kaazi)	3.83	57	25.4	15.4	2.2

Also, noticed that the Ghorewaha Rajput has a Pushkarna Brahmin like unique profile; both high Steppe and high BMAC. I guess these profiles are common towards W/NW Rajasthan near Punjab? Some Mohyal and Punjabi Brahmin kits are also similar to them.

Sample	Fit	Shahr I Sokhta BA3	CG CentralSteppeMLBA	Dzharkutan1 BA	Chokhopani 2700BP
Rajasthani brahmin purohit from pokaran jaisalmer-HW-sim (Kaazi)	1.23	52.5	27	20	0.5
East Punjabi Muslim Rajput Kaushal (Kaazi)	1.97	49.5	28.5	20.5	1.5

https://ngdc.cncb.ac.cn/bioproject/b...dc/PRJNA448645

Found 8000 Pakistani wgs samples (analyzed for medical research) but the access is restricted on ena and just accessible for researchers. Is there a way to access them on chinese GSA or somehow else? (maybe access is not restricted there).

It seems there is lot of research with whole genome sequencing in Pakistan but somehow just for medical purproses and the population genomics studies still just analyze str markers and few uniparental snps so often useless ...

David said to me that he processes for free only if he can add those coords to his Eurogenes dataset and the "researcher-only" restriction perhaps wont provide him any incentive to process.

If anything is currently possible, these many Indian samples (except Punjabis and Konkanis) are waiting to be converted. Someone with advanced processor, large memory capacity and stable internet connection could step up.
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/vi...738?show=xrefs

[Kapisa]

Introducing a basic G25 model:

1) Indo-Gangetic BA: Includes I11456, I8728, Telugu GBR-HG04025
2) Turan BA: BMAC main, Sappali Tepe BA2, Shahr-i-Sokhta-BA1, Gonur BA o, Aigyrzhal-BA, TKM Gonur BA2, Jarkutan2 BA.
3) Steppe MLBA: Sintashta, Srubnaya, Oy Dzhaylau, Mys MLBA, Fedorovo MLBA
4) Tibetian-Himalayan: Chokhopani, Upper Yellow River IA,
5) South East Asian BA: Vietnam BA, Laos BA
6) East African IA: Kenya IA

Sample	Fit	Indo-Gangetic BA	Steppe MLBA	Turan BA	Tibetian-Himalayan	South East Asian BA	Mongolia BA
Average (Bihar Brahmin Bhumihar)	2.24	62.8	26	9.8	1.4	0	0
Average (Sindhi)	1.34	48.2	20.2	30.4	1.2	0	0
Average (Kashmiri Pakistan)	1.05	46	20.2	29	4.8	0	0
Average (Khatri)	0.99	41.6	23.4	33.4	1.6	0	0
Average (Ror)	1.07	39.8	37.6	22	0	0	0.6
Average (Kohistani)	0.95	38	17.8	39.4	3.8	0	1
Average (Jatt Pathak)	1.68	38	38	23.2	0	0.8	0
Average (Kamboj)	0.86	36.8	24.2	37	2	0	0
Average (Burusho)	0.87	31.6	17.8	38	11.2	0	1.4

Sample	Fit	Turan BA	Indo-Gangetic BA	Steppe MLBA	East Africa	South East Asian BA	Tibetian-Himalayan
Average (Makrani)	2.79	63.4	18	12.8	4.6	1.2	0
Average (Balochi A)	2.85	59.4	20.8	17.2	1.2	1.4	0
Average (Brahui)	2.38	54	26.8	16.2	1.4	1.6	0
Average (Balochi B )	2.02	53.6	27.4	15	2.8	1.2	0
Average (Kamboj)	0.86	36.8	36.8	24.2	0	0	2.2