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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunsajan View Post
    Dang, thank you. Its weird i have no gujarathi ancestry. But i do have some west asian. Also surprised about the african is that really accurate?
    Thats why it's useful to start with a known "anchor" ancestry to build a model. For example, using additional ancestries from the West Coast of India.



    Mixed Oracles Distance
    56.8% Kerala Nair + 43.2% Kerala Knanaya 2.01
    96% Kerala Nair + 4% Syrian 2.06
    96% Kerala Nair + 4% Iraqi 2.07
    95.4% Kerala Nair + 4.6% Iranian Fars 2.1
    94.4% Kerala Nair + 5.6% Iranian Bandari 2.11
    96.6% Kerala Nair + 3.4% Syrian Jew 2.14
    80.4% Kerala Nair + 19.6% Kerala Payyanur 2.27
    92.4% Kerala Nair + 7.6% Kerala Vaniya 2.33
    96% Kerala Nair + 4% Kerala Namboothiri 2.33
    50% Kerala Nair + 50% Kerala Nair 2.33

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    im not really familiar with an anchor ancestry but ya. My ethnic group is knanaya which i guess show up in the new one

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    Quote Originally Posted by ammi View Post
    Telugu kammas from Telangana

    chickenbiryani_scaled,0.052,-0.0638,-0.1528,0.1003,-0.0806,0.0569,-0.0017,0.0114,0.0371,0.0179,-0.0087,-0.004,0.0028,0.0044,-0.0021,-0.0057,-0.0025,0.0005,0.0002,0.0019,0.0036,0.004,0.0045,-0.0047,-0.0033

    chickenbiryani_unscaled,0.004568,-0.006282,-0.040518,0.031052,-0.02619,0.020402,-0.000723,0.00494,0.01814,0.009822,-0.005358,-0.002669,0.001883,0.003197,-0.001547,-0.004299,-0.001917,0.000395,0.000159,0.001519,0.002885,0.003 235,0.003651,-0.0039,-0.002756

    Target:

    chickenbiryani_scaled

    Distance: 5.1147% /

    0.05114659

    52.8Iran_Mesolithic

    40.8AASI

    3.6EHG

    2.8Anatolia_N


    Just for fun

    Target: chickenbiryani_scaled

    Distance: 1.7184% / 0.01718391

    51.6 Kashmiri_Pakistan

    48.4 Mala

    Distance to: chickenbiryani_scaled

    0.08878846 Kashmiri_Pakistan

    0.09455961 Mala
    There are no Kammas in Telangana. All Hyderabadi and border district ones like Khammam are migrants from Andhra, same with Brahmins. Almost all Kammas are from Kammanadu. This guy too is half Nellore, half Vijayawada not Telangana.

    Screenshot-20221201-131214-Quora.jpg

    He and his mom took the test
    Last edited by Cringe7201; 12-01-2022 at 07:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cringe7201 View Post
    There are no Kammas in Telangana. All Hyderabadi and border district ones like Khammam are migrants from Andhra, same with Brahmins. Almost all Kammas are from Kammanadu. This guy too is half Nellore, half Vijayawada not Telangana.

    Screenshot-20221201-131214-Quora.jpg

    He and his mom took the test
    Yes, he mentioned his ancestors had been living in Telangana/Hyderabad for the last several generations, but were originally from Coastal Andhra, So yes I should have mentioned that in my post.

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    Got around to getting my wife's G25 coordinates (Ancestry), good to know we can still go through Davidski directly. She's from Jalalabad, Afghanistan as were her parents and grandparents on both sides. Paternal Pashtun tribe is Ludin and Maternal Pashtun tribe is Shinwari.

    Ancestry gave her Northern India and Northern Pakistan as well as Iran as her communities and she had a descent chunk of Kurdish from Living DNA. She seems to get around 3% Emirati/Saudi/Palestinian on modern models. It could perhaps be coming from her great grandfather on her mother side who was originally from Herat.

    Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
    Distance: 2.6934% / 0.02693418
    36.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    18.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    16.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    10.2 TJK_Sarazm_En
    8.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    5.6 KAZ_Botai
    3.0 Levant_PPNB
    1.0 Han

    Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
    Distance: 2.6849% / 0.02684865
    45.0 CHN_Junmachanyilian_HE2
    30.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    10.8 KAZ_Mys_MLBA
    6.0 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    4.0 MNG_Mongol
    3.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    0.4 S_AASI_Sim

    Using Genoplot's Optifit feature
    I've made her sample public on Genoplot under Pashtun Jalalabad
    dkhanux ► Pashtun Jalalabad
    nearest group: Kamboj
    Tarkalani43.8
    Sindhi41.4
    Kho Singanali13
    Saudi 1.8

    Mixed Oracles Distance
    61% Tarkalani + 39% Sindhi 1.59
    75.4% Tarkalani + 24.6% Gujar India 1.65
    87.4% Tarkalani + 12.6% Gujarati 1.68
    56.8% Tarkalani + 43.2% Khatri 1.79
    60.2% Uthmankhel + 39.8% Sindhi 1.86
    72.4% Yusufzai + 27.6% Sindhi 1.87
    74.2% Sindhi + 25.8% Tajik Shugnan 1.87
    62.6% Tarkalani + 37.4% Kohistani 1.89
    52% Tarkalani + 48% Pashtun 1.94
    52% Kamboj + 48% Tarkalani 1.97
    86.4% Yusufzai + 13.6% Gujar India 1.98
    71.4% Yusufzai + 28.6% Khatri 1.99
    77.4% Yusufzai + 22.6% Kohistani 2.02
    94.2% Yusufzai + 5.8% Gujarati 2.02
    54.8% Uthmankhel + 45.2% Khatri 2.04
    76.8% Uthmankhel + 23.2% Gujar India 2.05
    71.6% Yusufzai + 28.4% Pashtun 2.08
    68.2% Yusufzai + 31.8% Kamboj 2.09
    86.4% Khatri + 13.6% Iranian Mazandarani 2.1
    88.8% Uthmankhel + 11.2% Gujarati 2.12

    Using the whole source on Vahaduo:

    Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
    Distance: 1.4833% / 0.01483261
    24.4 Pashtun_Laghman_Safi
    22.4 Sindhi
    10.6 Khalil_Pashtun
    10.2 Kakakhel_scaled
    9.6 Kumaoni_Brahmin
    6.4 Kashmiri_Pandit
    6.0 Pashtun_FATA_Mohmand
    5.8 Bettani_Pashtun
    1.8 EmiratiA
    1.4 Bukharian_Jew
    1.2 Kho_Singanali
    0.2 Kosipe

    Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
    Distance: 1.6248% / 0.01624840 | R3P
    64.8 Tarkalani
    30.4 Sindhi
    4.8 Kumaoni_Brahmin

    Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
    Distance: 1.5679% / 0.01567913 | R4P
    54.2 Tarkalani
    25.6 Sindhi
    17.6 Kashmiri_Pandit
    2.6 EmiratiA

    Target: Pashtun_Jalalabad
    Distance: 1.5271% / 0.01527126 | R5P
    33.4 Tarkalani
    30.6 Sindhi
    19.2 Pashtun_Laghman_Safi
    11.6 Kumaoni_Brahmin
    5.2 Bukharian_Jew

    Distance to: Pashtun_Jalalabad
    0.02203865 Yusufzai
    0.02400245 Tarkalani
    0.02437372 Kamboj
    0.02564151 Pashtun_Kurram
    0.02571661 Khalil_Pashtun
    0.02642236 Pashtun_Bannu(Average)
    0.02665953 Uthmankhel
    0.02710148 Bannu_Khattak
    0.02786944 Bannu_Pashtun
    0.02879991 Pashtun_Laghman_Safi
    0.02885062 Khatri
    0.03065323 Pashtun_Khattak
    0.03391034 Kakakhel_scaled
    0.03432562 Sindhi
    0.03435243 Kohistani
    0.03479586 Pashtun_Khattak
    0.03555684 Pashtun_FATA_Mohmand
    0.03630114 Punjabi_Jatt
    0.03750513 Kho_Singanali
    0.03887576 Punjabi_Sikh_India
    0.03908484 NowsheraKhattak
    0.03985757 Kandahar_Pashtun
    0.04040205 Betthani/Khalil Pashtun
    0.04077785 Pashtun_FATA_Kurram_(HGDP00259)
    0.04155532 Pashtun_DurraniAverage

    Pashtun_Jalalabad,0.078538,0.017264,-0.096166,0.060078,-0.072937,0.034304,0.001645,0.006923,-0.010022,-0.009112,-0.007957,-0.003147,0.004906,-0.009083,0.00665,0.021214,0.007171,0.004054,0.0050 28,-0.009505,-0.007612,-0.002226,-0.001109,0.002892,0.001557
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkhanux View Post
    Got around to getting my wife's G25 coordinates (Ancestry), good to know we can still go through Davidski directly. She's from Jalalabad, Afghanistan as were her parents and grandparents on both sides. Paternal Pashtun tribe is Ludin and Maternal Pashtun tribe is Shinwari.

    Ancestry gave her Northern India and Northern Pakistan as well as Iran as her communities and she had a descent chunk of Kurdish from Living DNA. She seems to get around 3% Emirati/Saudi/Palestinian on modern models. It could perhaps be coming from her great grandfather on her mother side who was originally from Herat.
    I find that a PCA (including neighboring populations) helps set context for further modeling.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ammi View Post
    Yes, he mentioned his ancestors had been living in Telangana/Hyderabad for the last several generations, but were originally from Coastal Andhra, So yes I should have mentioned that in my post.
    I don't think any Kamma will be claim to be from Telangana. They are the most hated by Telangana people and Kammas also hate Telangana the most among all Andhra castes I know. Kammas and Brahmins are not native to Telangana except in Khammam which is culturally the same as Central Andhra. Telangana is mostly Gollas,Madigas,Muslims and Reddys.

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    https://ngdc.cncb.ac.cn/bioproject/b...dc/PRJNA448645

    Found 8000 Pakistani wgs samples (analyzed for medical research) but the access is restricted on ena and just accessible for researchers. Is there a way to access them on chinese GSA or somehow else? (maybe access is not restricted there).

    It seems there is lot of research with whole genome sequencing in Pakistan but somehow just for medical purproses and the population genomics studies still just analyze str markers and few uniparental snps so often useless ...

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    Is the Punjabi Brahmin average real or simulated?? It represents Potohari (Rahul like) and more Northern profile rather than mainstream Punjabi Brahmins.

    Sample Fit IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA3 RUS Srubnaya Alakul MLBA UZB Dzharkutan1 BA NPL Chokhopani 2700BP
    BR Kashmiri Pandit-1 (Kashmiri Pandit) 1.95 46 21 28.4 4.6
    Rakhshakashmiripandit (rakhshakashmiri) 2.38 49.6 22.2 24.6 3.6
    Rahul77 AGUser (Potohar Brahmin) 1.55 51.4 20.6 24.4 3.6
    Punjabi Brahmin Average (Protein) 1.56 51.8 20.6 23.8 3.8
    Punjabi Tarkhan AVG (Duffydemon) 1.33 53 23.4 22 1.6
    Average (Punjabi Hindu India) 1.36 53.4 23 21.4 2.2
    bored AGUser (Brahmin Jammu) 2.44 53.8 21.6 20 4.6
    Himachal Brahmin Average (Kaazi) 2.00 55.2 21.8 17.8 5.2
    Rajasthani Brahmin Dadhich Gaur (Kaazi) 3.83 57 25.4 15.4 2.2



    Also, noticed that the Ghorewaha Rajput has a Pushkarna Brahmin like unique profile; both high Steppe and high BMAC. I guess these profiles are common towards W/NW Rajasthan near Punjab? Some Mohyal and Punjabi Brahmin kits are also similar to them.

    Sample Fit Shahr I Sokhta BA3 CG CentralSteppeMLBA Dzharkutan1 BA Chokhopani 2700BP
    Rajasthani brahmin purohit from pokaran jaisalmer-HW-sim (Kaazi) 1.23 52.5 27 20 0.5
    East Punjabi Muslim Rajput Kaushal (Kaazi) 1.97 49.5 28.5 20.5 1.5



    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    https://ngdc.cncb.ac.cn/bioproject/b...dc/PRJNA448645

    Found 8000 Pakistani wgs samples (analyzed for medical research) but the access is restricted on ena and just accessible for researchers. Is there a way to access them on chinese GSA or somehow else? (maybe access is not restricted there).

    It seems there is lot of research with whole genome sequencing in Pakistan but somehow just for medical purproses and the population genomics studies still just analyze str markers and few uniparental snps so often useless ...

    David said to me that he processes for free only if he can add those coords to his Eurogenes dataset and the "researcher-only" restriction perhaps wont provide him any incentive to process.

    If anything is currently possible, these many Indian samples (except Punjabis and Konkanis) are waiting to be converted. Someone with advanced processor, large memory capacity and stable internet connection could step up.
    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/vi...738?show=xrefs
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    Introducing a basic G25 model:

    1) Indo-Gangetic BA: Includes I11456, I8728, Telugu GBR-HG04025
    2) Turan BA: BMAC main, Sappali Tepe BA2, Shahr-i-Sokhta-BA1, Gonur BA o, Aigyrzhal-BA, TKM Gonur BA2, Jarkutan2 BA.
    3) Steppe MLBA: Sintashta, Srubnaya, Oy Dzhaylau, Mys MLBA, Fedorovo MLBA
    4) Tibetian-Himalayan: Chokhopani, Upper Yellow River IA,
    5) South East Asian BA: Vietnam BA, Laos BA
    6) East African IA: Kenya IA

    Sample Fit Indo-Gangetic BA Steppe MLBA Turan BA Tibetian-Himalayan South East Asian BA Mongolia BA
    Average (Bihar Brahmin Bhumihar) 2.24 62.8 26 9.8 1.4 0 0
    Average (Sindhi) 1.34 48.2 20.2 30.4 1.2 0 0
    Average (Kashmiri Pakistan) 1.05 46 20.2 29 4.8 0 0
    Average (Khatri) 0.99 41.6 23.4 33.4 1.6 0 0
    Average (Ror) 1.07 39.8 37.6 22 0 0 0.6
    Average (Kohistani) 0.95 38 17.8 39.4 3.8 0 1
    Average (Jatt Pathak) 1.68 38 38 23.2 0 0.8 0
    Average (Kamboj) 0.86 36.8 24.2 37 2 0 0
    Average (Burusho) 0.87 31.6 17.8 38 11.2 0 1.4


    Sample Fit Turan BA Indo-Gangetic BA Steppe MLBA East Africa South East Asian BA Tibetian-Himalayan
    Average (Makrani) 2.79 63.4 18 12.8 4.6 1.2 0
    Average (Balochi A) 2.85 59.4 20.8 17.2 1.2 1.4 0
    Average (Brahui) 2.38 54 26.8 16.2 1.4 1.6 0
    Average (Balochi B ) 2.02 53.6 27.4 15 2.8 1.2 0
    Average (Kamboj) 0.86 36.8 36.8 24.2 0 0 2.2
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