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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    There's a "Kandhari" match for my mum. Her surnames lists "Kandhari, Arora, Sembhi, Kalsi". So Kandhari side most likely married Arora.
    I found some people with “Kandhari” last name in Jammu. They must be Khatris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Sakas are too ENA /Okunevo mixed its likely a population which mixed in the Bronze Age and was harboring out in the Afghan highlands and pushed out in the late Bronze Age/Iron Age, in terms of modeling, though I would like to think there was some Antiquity dumping, the results clearly show a Sintashta/Krasnoyarsk source esp in Gradient descent, so yeah they arrive 3.5-4.0 Kya , Mittani get mentioned in the MLBA, so clearly they arrived in SC Asia earlier, they DEFINITELY are there. The Gomal Pass lays next too populations where L657 is very common and there is archaelogical remains to back it up. I am just putting 2 and 2 together. Gomal Pass is located directly opposite the Central Punjab plains, it would be relatively easy for them to advance through here, also the relatively high Steppe you find in Central/East Punjabi populations cannot be just coincidental.

    In the case of Jats/Rors some of them do pack extra Siberian ancestry, one Ror I found had a lot of it. And they weirdly model nicely with Maykop Steppe included, though its like proxying for another Siberian population which existed in Central Asia. Jats do show a notable amount of Q as their Y dna so there has to be a connection.


    i think this maykop is probably a NW AASI type population....my nairs get a lot of it on vahaduo runs...just a hypotheses!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    i think this maykop is probably a NW AASI type population....my nairs get a lot of it on vahaduo runs...just a hypotheses!
    That map you are referring to has mistakingly placed Gomal pass far up north. Gomal river and its tributaries enters what is now Pakistan at the northern border between Baluchistan and KPK (South Waziristan). One of the tributaries forms a border between Balochistan and Afghanistan, part of the larger Kandhar region.
    Up north in Waziristan region Kurrum and Tochi rivers flow in from Afghanistan, part of that system, Shawal river valley also connects over a pass to Afghanistan via Angoor Ada. This might be the pass map referred to.
    Here are some maps of the region:
    https://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/...html?object=39
    http://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/g...html?object=41
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    Distance: 1.7453% / 0.01745296
    44.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
    35.0 UZB_Bustan_BA
    18.0 KAZ_Ak_Moustafa_MLBA1
    2.6 MNG_East_N

    Mitochondrial Haplogroup: R30b found in Shahr-I-Sokhta_BA1 subclades found in Swat IA:Leobanr, Katelai & Barikot Historic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    That map you are referring to has mistakingly placed Gomal pass far up north. Gomal river and its tributaries enters what is now Pakistan at the northern border between Baluchistan and KPK (South Waziristan). One of the tributaries forms a border between Balochistan and Afghanistan, part of the larger Kandhar region.
    Up north in Waziristan region Kurrum and Tochi rivers flow in from Afghanistan, part of that system, Shawal river valley also connects over a pass to Afghanistan via Angoor Ada. This might be the pass map referred to.
    Here are some maps of the region:
    https://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/...html?object=39
    http://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/g...html?object=41
    hi friend..i did not notice the erroneous map, only the text where maykop was mentioned..these maykop people ( the early maykop) are a pre- steppe people with close relations to the kura araxes armenian culture...
    one can read more about them here....
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08220-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    hi friend..i did not notice the erroneous map, only the text where maykop was mentioned..these maykop people ( the early maykop) are a pre- steppe people with close relations to the kura araxes armenian culture...
    one can read more about them here....
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08220-8
    But kura araxes armenian culture yDNA are different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jatt1 View Post
    But kura araxes armenian culture yDNA are different.
    bhai..that may be, but the autosomal dna may be by and large caucasus...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    bhai..that may be, but the autosomal dna may be by and large caucasus...
    @Jatt1...dear bhai, here is the comparison of the autosomal dna( harappa)
    , i ran it on genoplot....so i am not sure about the accuracy...

    kura axes-

    [
    {
    "sample": "Russia Caucasus KuraAraxes:ARM002",
    "Caucasian": 62.45,
    "Baloch": 22.9,
    "SW-Asian": 7.74,
    "Mediterranean": 3.16,
    "NE-Euro": 2.4,
    "Papuan": 0.62,
    "San": 0.35,
    "American": 0.21,
    "Pygmy": 0.18,
    "Beringian": 0,
    "W-African": 0,
    "S-Indian": 0
    }

    Maykop-


    ][
    {
    "sample": "Caucasus Late Maykop:SIJ003",
    "Caucasian": 60.89,
    "Baloch": 22.37,
    "SW-Asian": 7.23,
    "NE-Euro": 4.44,
    "Mediterranean": 3.46,
    "Papuan": 1.16,
    "San": 0.22,
    "W-African": 0.18,
    "American": 0.05,
    "S-Indian": 0
    }
    ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    @Jatt1...dear bhai, here is the comparison of the autosomal dna( harappa)
    , i ran it on genoplot....so i am not sure about the accuracy...

    kura axes-

    [
    {
    "sample": "Russia Caucasus KuraAraxes:ARM002",
    "Caucasian": 62.45,
    "Baloch": 22.9,
    "SW-Asian": 7.74,
    "Mediterranean": 3.16,
    "NE-Euro": 2.4,
    "Papuan": 0.62,
    "San": 0.35,
    "American": 0.21,
    "Pygmy": 0.18,
    "Beringian": 0,
    "W-African": 0,
    "S-Indian": 0
    }

    Maykop-


    ][
    {
    "sample": "Caucasus Late Maykop:SIJ003",
    "Caucasian": 60.89,
    "Baloch": 22.37,
    "SW-Asian": 7.23,
    "NE-Euro": 4.44,
    "Mediterranean": 3.46,
    "Papuan": 1.16,
    "San": 0.22,
    "W-African": 0.18,
    "American": 0.05,
    "S-Indian": 0
    }
    ]
    The question is how did that huge amount of Caucasus aDNA got there, as none of the yDNA Q1a2, Rib and R1a is shared but most of the mtDNA other than HV and U7 are found there in that study?

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Seems like this was fairly common. Unfortunately, I'm not close to the family that married the Kandhari. My father only speaks to them a few times a year. So it will be hard to get a sample from them.
    According to the Imperial Gazetteer of India, v. 14, p. 375, estimated population of Hindus in Kandahar city is 5000. Though its hard to say how accurate this is given their estimate of the total population is 31000.
    Nonetheless, there is no doubt an important and prosperous Hindu community in Kandahar carrying out trade between India and Afghanistan.
    Screen Shot 2021-05-04 at 7.06.18 PM.png
    https://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/...34_V14_379.gif
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    44.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
    35.0 UZB_Bustan_BA
    18.0 KAZ_Ak_Moustafa_MLBA1
    2.6 MNG_East_N

    Mitochondrial Haplogroup: R30b found in Shahr-I-Sokhta_BA1 subclades found in Swat IA:Leobanr, Katelai & Barikot Historic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    i think this maykop is probably a NW AASI type population....my nairs get a lot of it on vahaduo runs...just a hypotheses!
    I think your misconstruing it for AG3 type ancestry. I am referring to Maykop Steppe in that old post, but in context of more proximal populations and what qpAdm is showing, it seems KGZ BA/ Naryn people are better suited and it is roughly half Central Steppe EBA/Maykop Steppe like. It seems these people were rapidly subsumed by Indo Aryans and other IIr groups.

    At the same time, we received long-awaited radiocarbon dates from Yegor Kitov (Institute of Ethnology
    and Anthropology of RAS) for two burial grounds (Nos. 67 and 67a), where the anthropological
    appearance of the buried and the archaeological context is different from the burial grounds of the
    Bronze Age of the Andronovo culture. The dates indicated 2200-1900 years BC (about 4,000 years
    ago).

    Andronovo sites of the Bronze Age in Aigyrzhal-2 are dated from 1881 to 1426 BC

    https://www.ucentralasia.org/Content...HU-RP3-Eng.pdf

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