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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I looked at both your mom and Khala, they both need a more ANF enriched BMAC source , I had to use Sappali Tepe2 which often works well with Afghan Pashtuns, which infers a bit more Iran Chl ancestry. So there was definitely some further admixture beyond the traditional combinations used for populations here. I have looked at Potohari and Mirpuri results galore thanks to Amber and they are not like your mom's family.

    sample: Ahmedmom
    distance: 1.4976
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2: 57
    Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA: 21.5
    Sappali_Tepe2_BA: 18
    Chokhopani_2700BP: 3.5

    sample: AhmedKhaala
    distance: 1.8908
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2: 55.5
    Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA: 18.5
    Sappali_Tepe2_BA: 22.5
    Chokhopani_2700BP: 3.5
    Many thanks, Pegasus. Really appreciate you taking the time to look into this for me.

    That's interesting re: their preference for Sappali Tepe and the additional Iran Chl admix. Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but does that suggest that Afghan Pashtun ancestry (as opposed to Iranian plateau related) is likely in their case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    Many thanks, Pegasus. Really appreciate you taking the time to look into this for me.

    That's interesting re: their preference for Sappali Tepe and the additional Iran Chl admix. Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but does that suggest that Afghan Pashtun ancestry (as opposed to Iranian plateau related) is likely in their case?
    Proximally, that would make more sense , though since they are on the SA cline and they are not super ANF rich that excludes them, that would mean either ANF enriched Yagnobis or some Plateau Iranian but your family is not exactly Steppe rich. Your relative's story actually adds up.

    sample: :AhmedKhaala
    distance: 1.8902
    Gujar_Pakistan: 52.5
    Khatri: 25.5
    Gujar_India: 13
    Iranian_Fars: 7.5
    Devils_Gate_Cave_N: 1.5


    I apologize for the delay, between work and the exhausting election, it was a roller coaster month esp here in the DMV.
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    Thanks Pegasus, that's really quite interesting. Really appreciate all your time and assistance with this.

    Also please dw about the delay, I can imagine things must have been pretty hectic that side of the pond in recent weeks!

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    pegasus, what group does TKM_Parkai_MBA correspond to and does it bear any significance to modern Central and South Asian groups? On random over-fit gradient by descent full data sheet runs, only me and agentlime score it (20+%).

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    my good friend and family friends results: half syed and have rajput (her name isnt Fila i just put it as a proxy) lol

    Fila_scaled,0.054635,-0.028435,-0.139912,0.082365,-0.07663,0.051316,-0.00282,0.008077,0.023929,0.004191,0.005684,-0.00045,0.002973,0.002477,0.007057,0.00411,0.00730 2,-0.00266,-0.001006,-0.009129,0.005116,-0.005688,0.001109,-0.000602,0.007305

    Fila,0.0048,-0.0028,-0.0371,0.0255,-0.0249,0.0184,-0.0012,0.0035,0.0117,0.0023,0.0035,-0.0003,0.002,0.0018,0.0052,0.0031,0.0056,-0.0021,-0.0008,-0.0073,0.0041,-0.0046,0.0009,-0.0005,0.0061

    Target: Fila_scaled
    Distance: 2.2657% / 0.02265749
    67.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    10.6 TJK_Sarazm_En
    9.0 Levant_PPNB
    8.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    2.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 Han
    0.6 KAZ_Botai
    0.6 MAR_Iberomaurusian
    Maternal Grandfather's Maternal Line: U7a3a4a

    Bro in law Maternal line: K1a12a YDna:R-Y7

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    Quote Originally Posted by karnalIroh View Post
    here are my brothers coordinates can someone help me get a goodfit

    butt_scaled,0.068294,-0.022342,-0.112005,0.081396,-0.083708,0.042391,0.00376,0.011076,0.009204,-0.00893,-0.007632,-0.000749,-0.001933,-0.007844,0.007465,0.006497,-0.006128,0.00152,0.002765,-0.02051,0.000624,-0.014096,-0.001356,0.004699,-0.002036

    butt,0.006,-0.0022,-0.0297,0.0252,-0.0272,0.0152,0.0016,0.0048,0.0045,-0.0049,-0.0047,-0.0005,-0.0013,-0.0057,0.0055,0.0049,-0.0047,0.0012,0.0022,-0.0164,0.0005,-0.0114,-0.0011,0.0039,-0.0017

    Target: Butt_scaled
    Distance: 3.0284% / 0.03028450
    52.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    19.2 TJK_Sarazm_En
    16.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    4.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    3.0 Levant_PPNB
    3.0 Nganassan
    1.4 Han
    0.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

    mine for comparision;
    istance: 2.5497% / 0.02549668
    56.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    18.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    13.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    4.0 KAZ_Botai
    3.0 TJK_Sarazm_En
    2.6 Han
    2.6 Levant_PPNB
    0.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    Are you and your brother both full-blooded Pahari? I ask because I'm not sure if the "Kashmiri" part in your ethnicity box is a reference to the region or to Dardic Kashmiris proper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber29 View Post
    my good friend and family friends results: half syed and have rajput (her name isnt Fila i just put it as a proxy) lol

    Fila_scaled,0.054635,-0.028435,-0.139912,0.082365,-0.07663,0.051316,-0.00282,0.008077,0.023929,0.004191,0.005684,-0.00045,0.002973,0.002477,0.007057,0.00411,0.00730 2,-0.00266,-0.001006,-0.009129,0.005116,-0.005688,0.001109,-0.000602,0.007305

    Fila,0.0048,-0.0028,-0.0371,0.0255,-0.0249,0.0184,-0.0012,0.0035,0.0117,0.0023,0.0035,-0.0003,0.002,0.0018,0.0052,0.0031,0.0056,-0.0021,-0.0008,-0.0073,0.0041,-0.0046,0.0009,-0.0005,0.0061

    Target: Fila_scaled
    Distance: 2.2657% / 0.02265749
    67.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    10.6 TJK_Sarazm_En
    9.0 Levant_PPNB
    8.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    2.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 Han
    0.6 KAZ_Botai
    0.6 MAR_Iberomaurusian
    I think this is the most IVC shifted Punjabi I have seen even with the Syed ancestry included.

    sample: fila
    distance: 1.9348
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2: 71.5
    CG_CentralSteppeMLBA: 11
    Levant_JOR_EBA: 9
    Gonur1_BA: 7.5
    Tibetan_Chamdo: 1



    sample: Fila
    distance: 2.2737
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3: 71.5
    TKM_IA: 19.5
    Levant_JOR_EBA: 9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Are you and your brother both full-blooded Pahari? I ask because I'm not sure if the "Kashmiri" part in your ethnicity box is a reference to the region or to Dardic Kashmiris proper.
    butt is supposed to be a pahari version for bhatt which is a last name used by kashmiri pandits.
    kashmiris in punjab have been notoriously endogamous just like other biradaris only marrying with other ethnic kashmiris like lone mir ,dar,naik,khawaja are the ones i now connected to our family but as far as i know dad is full blooded kashmiri.my paternal grandma was mughal from jammu(might be tarkhan) and maternal grandfather was full blooded pahri (sudhan).so we are not full blooded pahari mix of ethnic kashmiri and pahari kashmiri.hope this answers your question

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    Quote Originally Posted by karnalIroh View Post
    butt is supposed to be a pahari version for bhatt which is a last name used by kashmiri pandits.
    kashmiris in punjab have been notoriously endogamous just like other biradaris only marrying with other ethnic kashmiris like lone mir ,dar,naik,khawaja are the ones i now connected to our family but as far as i know dad is full blooded kashmiri.my paternal grandma was mughal from jammu(might be tarkhan) and maternal grandfather was full blooded pahri (sudhan).so we are not full blooded pahari mix of ethnic kashmiri and pahari kashmiri.hope this answers your question
    Actually, Butt is used by the Kashmiri Muslims, whereas the Hindus use Bhat, similar to Dar used by Kashmiri Muslims, while many Kashmiri Pandits use Dhar. This indicates Indian influence. Paharis in the former princely state of J&K did not have Bhat or Butt surnames unless one was a migrant from the valley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karnalIroh View Post
    butt is supposed to be a pahari version for bhatt which is a last name used by kashmiri pandits.
    kashmiris in punjab have been notoriously endogamous just like other biradaris only marrying with other ethnic kashmiris like lone mir ,dar,naik,khawaja are the ones i now connected to our family but as far as i know dad is full blooded kashmiri.my paternal grandma was mughal from jammu(might be tarkhan) and maternal grandfather was full blooded pahri (sudhan).so we are not full blooded pahari mix of ethnic kashmiri and pahari kashmiri.hope this answers your question
    He does not model like Kashmiri Pandits I have seen thus far at all more like Potohari/Mirpuri types, but fits in with the overall regional continuum.

    sample::Butt
    distance: 2.2313
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2: 64
    Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA: 17
    Dzharkutan1_BA: 14.5
    Devils_Gate_Cave_N: 4.5


    sample: Butt
    distance: 2.3832
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2: 63.5
    Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA: 18
    Dzharkutan1_BA: 14
    Chokhopani_2700BP: 4.5
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