Global25 automated nMonte for South/Central Asian members

[Kapisa]

No they are quite different ABST completely lacks Western Iranian like ancestry, Kuokesuxi has a big chunk of it. I would assume its a Kushan lady given , she clusters with them and is from a similar time. ABST is much older (700-600 BCE)

Sample	Fit	CG CentralSteppeMLBA	Gonur1 BA	DinkhaTepe BIA A	Khovsgol BA
C1675 (Kuokesuxi IA3)	1.98	37.5	37.5	20.5	4.5
Average (IA Rabat)	0.93	35.5	35	25.5	4

sample: Abusanteer IA3:C4131
distance: 1.8143
CG_CentralSteppeMLBA: 55.5
Gonur1_BA: 37.5
CG_IVCp: 7
DinkhaTepe_BIA_A: 0

Thanks. Some of these IA individuals from Xinjiang do match relative Bronze Age ancestral proportions of Loebanr-o if IVCp is subtracted, except of-course instead they carry additional Khövsgöl-BA like admixture. Liushui IA2 is different and carries equal proportions of KGZ-BA and Central Steppe-MLBA.

Sample	Fit	CG CentralSteppeMLBA	Gonur1 BA	Khovsgol BA	CG IVCp	Aigyrzhal BA
Average (Tielieketesai IA1)	1.27	54	31	14	1	0
Average (Caishichang IA2)	2.02	52	24	11	0	13
Loebanr O-SiSBA2 (Kapisa)	2.26	47	28	2	4	19
Swat IndoAryan Ghost (Kapisa)	1.50	44	28	4	6	18
Average (Liushui IA2)	1.29	39	5	11	7	38
Average (Loebanr IA o)	1.74	38	24	2	25	11

And how come Jirzankal IA3 carries IVCp?

Sample	Fit	CG CentralSteppeMLBA	CG IVCp	Aigyrzhal BA	Gonur1 BA	Khovsgol BA
Average (Jirzankal IA3)	1.29	45	17	14	12	12
Average (Loebanr IA o)	1.75	37	24	12	25	2

[MiranZai]

I’ve noticed that “Davidski” recently has made some changes (updates) to his G25 data-sheets specially for the South Asian samples (In particular labeling the Sindhi HGDP00199 to an outlier).

I believe this case has been discussed in many posts recently.

I don’t have any issue labeling that sample as an outlier for the individual dataset, because in my opinion it has very distal genetic relation to the nearest Sindhi clusters and apparently more closely to the Gedrosian clusters and even to the Pashtuns.

my concern is toward the average population, How can we assume an average result for an outlier population base on a single case?

What I’ve understand it from the mathematical definition of the average concept that its based on list of values (multiple cases) !

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Davidski recent modern population G25 datasheets :

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“HGDP00199” Nearest genetic distances for the modern individual samples :

[Kapisa]

I’ve noticed that “Davidski” recently has made some changes (updates) to his G25 data-sheets specially for the South Asian samples (In particular labeling the Sindhi HGDP00199 to an outlier).

I believe this case has been discussed in many posts recently.

I don’t have any issue labeling that sample as an outlier for the individual dataset, because in my opinion it has very distal genetic relation to the nearest Sindhi clusters and apparently more closely to the Gedrosian clusters and even to the Pashtuns.

my concern is toward the average population, How can we assume an average result for an outlier population base on a single case?

What I’ve understand it from the mathematical definition of the average concept that its based on list of values (multiple cases) !

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Davidski recent modern population G25 datasheets :

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“HGDP00199” Nearest genetic distances for the modern individual samples :

yes I agree. If there is only 1 outlier then it shouldn't be in the average datasheet.

[Aben Aboo]

I think it is better that it remains in the datasheet as long as it is indicated that the sample is an "outlier", it always to possibly serve for x interest. We also have some "averages" with only 1 sample which are not outlier (like Asturias, Liguria) and it is right that with only 1 sample it cannot be representative

[Kapisa]

Could this PJL be of mixed Balochi or Syed ancestry? Could b Arain or Muslim Kamboh as well.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-ZS3289/
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/U2b3b1/

Sample:	Punjabi Lahore ► HG03767
Calculator:	HarappaWorld
Coverage:	160238 SNPs (85.15%)
Results:	Baloch	42.75
	S-Indian	25.1
	Caucasian	16.01
	NE-Euro	9.13
	SW-Asian	3.25
	NE-Asian	1.9
	American	1.11
	Mediterranean	0.7
	E-African	0.05

Mixed Oracles	Distance
81.18% bhatia + 18.82% parsi	2.18
80% bhatia + 20% iraq-domari	2.27
79.53% kamboj + 20.47% brahui	2.43
93.18% bhatia + 6.82% druze	2.46
76% kamboj + 24% balochi	2.5
74.82% sindhi1 + 25.18% nuristani	2.54
69.65% sindhi1 + 30.35% kalash	2.55
82.59% bhatia + 17.41% bene-israel-jew	2.59
92.47% bhatia + 7.53% lebanese-druze	2.65
92% bhatia + 8% azerbaijan-jew	2.66

Sample:	Punjabi Lahore ► HG03767.SG
Fit:	2.88
Results:	Katelai IA	84.8
	Caucasus lowlands LC	11
	Lisakovskiy MLBA Alakul	4.2

[pegasus]

Thanks. Some of these IA individuals from Xinjiang do match relative Bronze Age ancestral proportions of Loebanr-o if IVCp is subtracted, except of-course instead they carry additional Khövsgöl-BA like admixture. Liushui IA2 is different and carries equal proportions of KGZ-BA and Central Steppe-MLBA.

Sample	Fit	CG CentralSteppeMLBA	Gonur1 BA	Khovsgol BA	CG IVCp	Aigyrzhal BA
Average (Tielieketesai IA1)	1.27	54	31	14	1	0
Average (Caishichang IA2)	2.02	52	24	11	0	13
Loebanr O-SiSBA2 (Kapisa)	2.26	47	28	2	4	19
Swat IndoAryan Ghost (Kapisa)	1.50	44	28	4	6	18
Average (Liushui IA2)	1.29	39	5	11	7	38
Average (Loebanr IA o)	1.74	38	24	2	25	11

And how come Jirzankal IA3 carries IVCp?

Sample	Fit	CG CentralSteppeMLBA	CG IVCp	Aigyrzhal BA	Gonur1 BA	Khovsgol BA
Average (Jirzankal IA3)	1.29	45	17	14	12	12
Average (Loebanr IA o)	1.75	37	24	12	25	2

Jirzankal IA3 is from 500 BCE , so the IVCp related ancestry could come from a number of places. The only interesting sample which follows a similar pattern is this sample from around 1300-1200 BCE

sample: Songshugou LBA:C3348
distance: 1.9014
Srubnaya_MLBA: 56.5
Gonur1_BA_o: 33.5
Slab_Grave_EIA_1: 10

With Kaazi's ghost there is definitely a strong corelation, I am surprised I missed this sample.

Sample	Fit	Srubnaya MLBA	Aigyrzhal BA	Sappali Tepe BA	Slab Grave EIA 1	Gonur1 BA o	Ulaanzuukh Slab Grave	Ulaanzukh LBA 2
Indo-Aryan LBIA ghost (Kaazi)	1.91	57.5	23	19	0.5	0	0	0
C3348 (Songshugou LBA)	1.89	57	0	1.5	10	31.5	0	0

[geneticsikiru]

@Kaazi please tell Davidski to make avg of Gujarat Brahman, dont see reason they be seprate

[Kaazi]

@Kaazi please tell Davidski to make avg of Gujarat Brahman, dont see reason they be seprate

Kirtan told me that the Gujarat Brahmins are a diverse set divided by various separate endogamous sects and groups like Nagar Brahmins and Anavil Brahmins were genetically different than his group Audichya Brahmins (hes going to add more Audichya Brahmin samples) and Vintagestrat's group Bardai Brahmins. Creating a Bardai and Audichya average may not have relevance to existing larger GBR dataset but those like Nagar Brahmin group do seem to have distinct profiles out there which gets lost when averaged.

sample: Brahmin Gujarat Nagar:Average
distance: 2.93
IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA3: 57.4
RUS Srubnaya Alakul MLBA: 28.2
UZB Dzharkutan1 BA: 14.2
NPL Chokhopani 2700BP: 0.2

@Kirtan24 and @Vintagestrat, what should be done? Have a discussion. Will ask David to do so.

[geneticsikiru]

Kirtan told me that the Gujarat Brahmins are a diverse set divided by various separate endogamous sects and groups like Nagar Brahmins and Anavil Brahmins were genetically different than his group Audichya Brahmins (hes going to add more Audichya Brahmin samples) and Vintagestrat's group Bardai Brahmins. Creating a Bardai and Audichya average may not have relevance to existing larger GBR dataset but those like Nagar Brahmin group do seem to have distinct profiles out there which gets lost when averaged.

sample: Brahmin Gujarat Nagar:Average
distance: 2.93
IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA3: 57.4
RUS Srubnaya Alakul MLBA: 28.2
UZB Dzharkutan1 BA: 14.2
NPL Chokhopani 2700BP: 0.2

@Kirtan24 and @Vintagestrat, what should be done? Have a discussion. Will ask David to do so.

We have same issue with Punjabi_Sikh_India & Punjabi_Hindu_India. Not all of them scores the same just like Punjabi_Lahore

[dkhanux]

Syed Bukhari Pashtun from Swat, Pakistan
J2b https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-MF51332

Pashtun_SyedBukhari_Swat,0.087644,0.01828,-0.089,0.058463,-0.072321,0.037929,0.002115,-0.001615,-0.014726,-0.009112,-0.002761,0.004046,0.011298,-0.009221,0.008143,0.012596,0.005085,0.004307,0.000 251,-0.006128,-0.009109,-0.005812,-0.002588,-0.003976,-0.001796


He mentioned that:
- His family came to the region with Mehmood Ghaznawi
- They lived for some time in the area of Nangarhar, Papin, and Bajwar and then finally settled in Swat in the 1500s

Pashtun Sources
Target: Pashtun_SyedBukhari_Swat
Distance: 1.5745% / 0.01574458 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.2 Pashtun_Laghman_Safi
32.8 Pashtun_Ludin/Shinwari_Jalalabad
12.8 Pashtun_Mandanr_Mardan
7.2 Pashtun_KPK_Uthmankhel
5.0 Pashtun_Khalil_Peshawar

Davidski's Ancient Calculator
Target: Pashtun_SyedBukhari_Swat
Distance: 2.9131% / 0.02913145
36.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
25.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.6 TUR_Barcin_N
5.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
4.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.2 Han
1.0 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
1.0 Levant_PPNB
0.8 Nganassan

Ancient Averages
Target: Pashtun_SyedBukhari_Swat
Distance: 1.9233% / 0.01923340 | ADC: 0.25x RC
24.8 PAK_Barikot_MA
21.4 UZB_Bustan_BA_o2
19.4 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
12.0 PAK_Barikot_IA
8.2 PAK_Udegram_IA
5.4 UKR_Cimmerian_o
5.2 PAK_Arkotkila_IA
3.6 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1