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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I think your misconstruing it for AG3 type ancestry. I am referring to Maykop Steppe in that old post, but in context of more proximal populations and what qpAdm is showing, it seems KGZ BA/ Naryn people are better suited and it is roughly half Central Steppe EBA/Maykop Steppe like. It seems these people were rapidly subsumed by Indo Aryans and other IIr groups.

    At the same time, we received long-awaited radiocarbon dates from Yegor Kitov (Institute of Ethnology
    and Anthropology of RAS) for two burial grounds (Nos. 67 and 67a), where the anthropological
    appearance of the buried and the archaeological context is different from the burial grounds of the
    Bronze Age of the Andronovo culture. The dates indicated 2200-1900 years BC (about 4,000 years
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    Andronovo sites of the Bronze Age in Aigyrzhal-2 are dated from 1881 to 1426 BC

    https://www.ucentralasia.org/Content...HU-RP3-Eng.pdf
    Thanks ...when i read the article carefully , i felt the same!....this AG3 type ancestry is paleolithic siberian similar to SIMULATED NW AASI....

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    Quote Originally Posted by desi View Post
    I've encountered a lot of Afghan Hindus and Sikhs during my exchange year in the UK. Wonderful, courageous people. And the general consensus among them is that they are mostly Khatri/Hindko/Pishori traders from West Punjab and marry as such. However, there is a minority among them who state that they are members of the Kakarzai, Kukikhel Afridi and Popalzai tribes and marry amongst only those members. The Afghan Hindus from these tribes claim that they are the unconverted remnants and the Sikhs claim they were converted in the 15th century when Guru Nanak visited Kabul. Now I've had a few Pashtun colleagues confirm this and others deny this, quite vehemently, so it's a mixed bag.

    I'm aware there is contention regarding the origin of Kakarzai, and whether they are Pashtuns or Pashtunized Khatris, although their autosomal results point to them being Pashtun admixed, so again can't say for sure.



    Kandharis are equivocally Khatris and identify as such. They arrived into Kandahar as traders in the 18th century and took the name. A lot of Kandhari Hindus in the UK as a result of escaping from the violence in Afghanistan.
    There are some weird things posted here. There are sadly no native Afghan Hindus, Sikhs or Buddhists if he mean with native local Tajiks and especially Pashtuns. Islamization of urban regions and Pashtuns seemingly was already completed before or shortly after the Mongol conquest. Surely urban regions like Kabul or Kandahar had in the past a sizeable community of Indian Hindus but they were recent immigrants from India and because of them being Hindus/Sikhs mixing with Muslims was very rare. People from India who were Muslim on the other side frequently mixed and were absorbed like many Kashmiri in Kabul. The last local pagans were Nuristani which had a polytheist Indo-Iranian religion with many similarities to Vedic Hinduism but still quite it unique tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    There are sadly no native Afghan Hindus, Sikhs or Buddhists if he mean with native local Tajiks and especially Pashtuns.
    That is what he and many others claim (however not Tajik origin, just Pashtun). It's a sentiment that is quite abound. Here's an article about a "Hindu Pashtun" claiming that she belongs to the "Kakari" tribe:

    https://www.thebetterindia.com/15539...i-afghanistan/

    ^A lot of the Afghan Hindus I encountered in the UK claimed they were a part of this tribe, so I don't know what to make of this. I take their claims with a grain of salt, because there are a lot of obvious differences that seperate them from Pashtuns as well as the history/narrative not matching up as you've pointed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desi View Post
    That is what he and many others claim (however not Tajik origin, just Pashtun). It's a sentiment that is quite abound. Here's an article about a "Hindu Pashtun" claiming that she belongs to the "Kakari" tribe:

    https://www.thebetterindia.com/15539...i-afghanistan/

    ^A lot of the Afghan Hindus I encountered in the UK claimed they were a part of this tribe, so I don't know what to make of this. I take their claims with a grain of salt, because there are a lot of obvious differences that seperate them from Pashtuns as well as the history/narrative not matching up as you've pointed out.
    Many of the Afghan Hindus i have seen in the West were quite proud of being from Afghanistan and are really pro-afghan but except of some of them adopting/learning Pashto in Pashto-speaking areas of Afghanistan it is really strange to talk about "Hindu Pashtuns". Most tribal Pashtuns are very religious Muslims and I am not aware of non-muslims among tribal Pashtuns at max you have atheists among urbanized non-tribal Pashtuns in Afghanistan. It is even very unlikely that pre-Islamic tribal Proto-Pashtuns were Hindus in the first place and ancient Hinduism in the region was practiced by people of Gandhara which were linguistically/culturally replaced by Islamo-Afghan groups. Still, there is of course a big genetic substrate from these people in former Gandhara and it is extremely sad what happened and is happening to this cultural heritage in the region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desi View Post
    That is what he and many others claim (however not Tajik origin, just Pashtun). It's a sentiment that is quite abound. Here's an article about a "Hindu Pashtun" claiming that she belongs to the "Kakari" tribe:

    https://www.thebetterindia.com/15539...i-afghanistan/

    ^A lot of the Afghan Hindus I encountered in the UK claimed they were a part of this tribe, so I don't know what to make of this. I take their claims with a grain of salt, because there are a lot of obvious differences that seperate them from Pashtuns as well as the history/narrative not matching up as you've pointed out.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_RehHX...e=emb_err_woyt

    Hindu Pathans. No one seems to have genetic data on them, but they may have Pashtun ancestry. I'm not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azbuzz View Post
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_RehHX...e=emb_err_woyt

    Hindu Pathans. No one seems to have genetic data on them, but they may have Pashtun ancestry. I'm not sure.
    These aren't Hindu Pathans but Hindus living in Pashtun areas. They have different ethnic and cultural origins from the Pashtun tribals they live in those regions with. A lot of these are migrants who landed there in the past two to three centuries from Sindh, and also including some of the Marathas who were captured in the 3rd battle of panipat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahuls77 View Post
    These aren't Hindu Pathans but Hindus living in Pashtun areas. They have different ethnic and cultural origins from the Pashtun tribals they live in those regions with. A lot of these are migrants who landed there in the past two to three centuries from Sindh, and also including some of the Marathas who were captured in the 3rd battle of panipat.
    Could they have mixed with Muslim Pathans? Do we have GEDmatch or G25 data on them? The video says they used to live in Pakistan's Pashtun areas until they moved to India recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azbuzz View Post
    Could they have mixed with Muslim Pathans? I'm curious because you said they've lived there since the 3rd century in a predominantly Pashtun area. Do we have GEDmatch or G25 data on them? The video says they used to live in Pakistan's Pashtun areas until they moved to India recently.
    Read again, what I posted.

    3rd century????? Where did you get that from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahuls77 View Post
    Read again, what I posted.

    3rd century????? Where did you get that from?
    Sorry. I misread the 3rd battle of Panipat as the 3rd century.

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    Not sure if this was discussed before but I am surprised to find how well Gujaratis and certain Southern Indians are around 75-90% similar to SISBA3. I find that strange considering he existed around 4500 yrs ago.

    Target: Gujarati:NA20876
    Distance: 1.9203% / 0.01920291
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    Target: Gujarati:NA20861
    Distance: 1.9705% / 0.01970513
    90.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
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    Target: Gujarati:NA20871
    Distance: 1.9775% / 0.01977518
    90.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
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    1.0 VNM_N
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    Target: Velamas:VELZ260
    Distance: 1.9005% / 0.01900466
    88.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    5.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    4.4 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
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    Target: Kerala_ Christian
    Distance: 2.1827% / 0.02182694
    79.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    14.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
    4.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    2.6 CHN_Amur_River_Xianbei_IA


    Target: Bmoney_Nair_scaled
    Distance: 2.3525% / 0.02352451
    80.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    10.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    6.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    1.8 GEO_CHG
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    Target: Iyer:IR-1-5
    Distance: 1.4574% / 0.01457382
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