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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Aigryzhal is not descended from BMAC, they have little ANF for that, but more archaic Eneolithic_Jeitun related groups

    sample: Aigyrzhal BA:Average
    distance: 1.148792132

    Geoksyur_En: 45.2
    Kumsay_EBA: 29
    Dzungaria_EBA1: 14.6
    CG_IVCp: 11.2
    Gonur1_BA: 0
    KAZ_Botai: 0

    akin to this

    Kyrgyzstan_Aygirdjal_BA
    Tajikistan_Sarazm_CA 0.668036 0.0285014 23.4387
    Kazakhstan_Dali_EBA 0.331964 0.0285014 11.6473
    Tail: 0.34
    Alright I see.
    Also decided to skim Wikipedia for Eneolithic 'Steppe', would this be accurate?

    'Steppe ancestry' can be classified into at least three distinctive clusters. In its simplest and earliest form, it can be modelled as an admixture of two highly divergent ancestral components; a population related to Eastern Hunter-Gatherers (EHG) as the original inhabitants of the European steppe in the Mesolithic, and a population related to Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers (CHG) that had spread northwards from the Near East. This ancestry profile is known as 'Eneolithic Steppe' ancestry, or 'pre-Yamnaya ancestry', and is represented by ancient individuals from the Khvalynsk II and Progress 2 archaeological sites. These individuals are chronologically intermediate between EHGs and the later Yamnaya population, and harbour very variable proportions of CHG ancestry
    The precise location of the initial formation of so-called 'Eneolithic steppe' ancestry, which can be modeled as a relatively simple admixture of EHG and Near Eastern (CHG-related) populations, remains uncertain.[4][10] Admixture between populations with Near Eastern ancestry and the EHG on the Pontic-Caspian steppe had begun by the fifth millennium BC, predating the Yamnaya culture by at least 1,000 years.[17][5]

    This early, 'pre-Yamnaya' ancestry was first detected in Eneolithic individuals at the Khvalynsk II cemetery and directly north of the Caucasus mountains at the Progress 2 archaeological site; this ancestry is also detected in individuals of the Steppe Maykop culture, but with additional Siberian and Native American-related admixture.
    A 2022 study concludes that Yamnaya ancestry can be modelled as a mixture of an as yet unsampled admixed EHG/CHG population with a second source from the south Caucasus, and rejects Khvalynsk Eneolithic as a source population for the Yamnaya cluster.

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    What is aigyrzhal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nauseas View Post
    The 15.64% NE-Euro + 0% Med Tyagi from West UP on the spreadsheet prefers Ganj_Dareh instead of BMAC source (Dzharkutan1) for some reason, and gets 29% Steppe.

    With BA3 and Telugu GBR strains (3772/4061/4025) as IVC_SI

    Target: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    Distance: 2.0730% / 0.02073030
    56.4 IVC_SI
    29.0 Steppe
    13.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.0 EastAsian

    Only BA3

    Target: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    Distance: 2.6905% / 0.02690470
    61.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    28.6 Steppe
    8.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.8 EastAsian

    When I remove Ganj_Dareh, BMAC takes some of the steppe and Steppe reduces to 25-26%. Fits worsen slightly.

    With BA3 and Telugu GBR strains (3772/4061/4025) as IVC_SI

    Target: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    Distance: 2.3197% / 0.02319720
    57.8 IVC_SI
    25.4 Steppe
    15.8 UZB_Dzharkutan1_BA
    1.0 EastAsian

    Only BA3

    Target: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    Distance: 2.7442% / 0.02744161
    61.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    26.0 Steppe
    11.0 UZB_Dzharkutan1_BA
    1.8 EastAsian
    Tyagi is nowhere near 29% Steppe. Using Ganj Dareh N instead of BMAC sources, inflates Steppe badly. Yah, he is the highest Steppe Tyagi 15.64% NE-Euro one.


    sample: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    distance: 2.54
    IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA3: 63.4
    RUS Srubnaya Alakul MLBA: 26
    UZB Dzharkutan1 BA: 9.6
    NPL Chokhopani 2700BP: 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Tyagi is nowhere near 29% Steppe. Using Ganj Dareh N instead of BMAC sources, inflates Steppe badly. Yah, he is the highest Steppe Tyagi 15.64% NE-Euro one.


    sample: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    distance: 2.54
    IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA3: 63.4
    RUS Srubnaya Alakul MLBA: 26
    UZB Dzharkutan1 BA: 9.6
    NPL Chokhopani 2700BP: 1
    You are right. But for Tyagi, the fit improves and it infact prefers Ganj Dareh instead of BMAC sources when both are used simultaneously. Not the case for others for instance Bhumihar.

    Using both,

    Target: Bhumihar_Bihar
    Distance: 1.4757% / 0.01475679
    61.2 IVC_SI
    25.8 Steppe
    11.0 IVC_BM
    2.0 EastAsian


    Target: Bhumihar_Bihar
    Distance: 1.6723% / 0.01672275
    62.2 IVC_SI
    28.8 Steppe
    7.0 Ganj_Dareh
    2.0 EastAsian

    Anyway, it is still pretty high Central Steppe + IAMC.
    Also @pegasus says the qpadm runs give proportions similar to Nagar? If it's indeed the case then shouldn't the central Steppe be 27-30% range? But overall I would say it's pretty close to Braj Kankyakubja, owing to its 3772 substrate which I don't think is very typical for Tyagis.

    Sample: Tyagi ► TYUPW001
    Fit: 2.4734
    Results: Ganj Dareh N 33
    Simulated AASI by DMXX 27
    Maitan MLBA Alakul 26
    Aigyrzhal BA 12
    Chokhopani 2700BP 2

    sample: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    distance: 1.872
    Telugu_GBR: 56.6
    Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA: 22.4
    Aigyrzhal_BA: 11.4
    Gonur1_BA: 9.6

    Target: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    Distance: 1.9232% / 0.01923157
    54.4 Telugu_GBR_HG03772.SG
    21.2 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA(kzb001+kzb003)
    14.8 IAMC_I11527
    9.6 TKM_Gonur1_BA_10411

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nauseas View Post
    You are right. But for Tyagi, the fit improves and it infact prefers Ganj Dareh instead of BMAC sources when both are used simultaneously. Not the case for others for instance Bhumihar.

    Using both,

    Target: Bhumihar_Bihar
    Distance: 1.4757% / 0.01475679
    61.2 IVC_SI
    25.8 Steppe
    11.0 IVC_BM
    2.0 EastAsian


    Target: Bhumihar_Bihar
    Distance: 1.6723% / 0.01672275
    62.2 IVC_SI
    28.8 Steppe
    7.0 Ganj_Dareh
    2.0 EastAsian

    Anyway, it is still pretty high Central Steppe + IAMC.
    Also @pegasus says the qpadm runs give proportions similar to Nagar? If it's indeed the case then shouldn't the central Steppe be 27-30% range? But overall I would say it's pretty close to Braj Kankyakubja, owing to its 3772 substrate which I don't think is very typical for Tyagis.

    Sample: Tyagi ► TYUPW001
    Fit: 2.4734
    Results: Ganj Dareh N 33
    Simulated AASI by DMXX 27
    Maitan MLBA Alakul 26
    Aigyrzhal BA 12
    Chokhopani 2700BP 2

    sample: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    distance: 1.872
    Telugu_GBR: 56.6
    Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA: 22.4
    Aigyrzhal_BA: 11.4
    Gonur1_BA: 9.6

    Target: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    Distance: 1.9232% / 0.01923157
    54.4 Telugu_GBR_HG03772.SG
    21.2 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA(kzb001+kzb003)
    14.8 IAMC_I11527
    9.6 TKM_Gonur1_BA_10411
    For group averages, a fit should be closer to 1 or lower. There is no point of using Ganj Dareh honestly in this case.

    sample: Bhumihar Bihar:Average
    distance: 0.951782588
    Telugu_GBR: 56.8
    Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA: 20
    Aigyrzhal_BA: 14.6
    Gonur1_BA: 8.6
    Sappali_Tepe_BA: 0
    CG_IVCp: 0



    sample: Bhumihar Bihar:Average
    distance: 1.003428076
    Kaazi Indo-Aryan_LBIA_ghost: 40.2
    Telugu_GBR HG03785.SG: 39
    Telugu_GBR HG04061.SG: 20.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    For group averages, a fit should be closer to 1 or lower. There is no point of using Ganj Dareh honestly in this case.

    sample: Bhumihar Bihar:Average
    distance: 0.951782588
    Telugu_GBR: 56.8
    Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA: 20
    Aigyrzhal_BA: 14.6
    Gonur1_BA: 8.6
    Sappali_Tepe_BA: 0
    CG_IVCp: 0



    sample: Bhumihar Bihar:Average
    distance: 1.003428076
    Kaazi • Indo-Aryan_LBIA_ghost: 40.2
    Telugu_GBR • HG03785.SG: 39
    Telugu_GBR • HG04061.SG: 20.8
    No, I was just demonstrating how the fits worsen when Ganj_Dareh is used instead of BMAC generally with the Bhumihar example, but it's the opposite for Tyagi:TYUPW001. It prefers it when both are used simultaneously too. Though even I would like to know how legit it is.
    Last edited by Nauseas; 05-24-2023 at 07:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nauseas View Post
    You are right. But for Tyagi, the fit improves and it infact prefers Ganj Dareh instead of BMAC sources when both are used simultaneously. Not the case for others for instance Bhumihar.

    Using both,

    Target: Bhumihar_Bihar
    Distance: 1.4757% / 0.01475679
    61.2 IVC_SI
    25.8 Steppe
    11.0 IVC_BM
    2.0 EastAsian


    Target: Bhumihar_Bihar
    Distance: 1.6723% / 0.01672275
    62.2 IVC_SI
    28.8 Steppe
    7.0 Ganj_Dareh
    2.0 EastAsian

    Anyway, it is still pretty high Central Steppe + IAMC.
    Also @pegasus says the qpadm runs give proportions similar to Nagar? If it's indeed the case then shouldn't the central Steppe be 27-30% range? But overall I would say it's pretty close to Braj Kankyakubja, owing to its 3772 substrate which I don't think is very typical for Tyagis.

    Sample: Tyagi ► TYUPW001
    Fit: 2.4734
    Results: Ganj Dareh N 33
    Simulated AASI by DMXX 27
    Maitan MLBA Alakul 26
    Aigyrzhal BA 12
    Chokhopani 2700BP 2

    sample: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    distance: 1.872
    Telugu_GBR: 56.6
    Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA: 22.4
    Aigyrzhal_BA: 11.4
    Gonur1_BA: 9.6

    Target: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    Distance: 1.9232% / 0.01923157
    54.4 Telugu_GBR_HG03772.SG
    21.2 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA(kzb001+kzb003)
    14.8 IAMC_I11527
    9.6 TKM_Gonur1_BA_10411

    How is he 27-30% Steppe lol, why the upward range (30%) when it's clear he's 26%1% Steppe (including WSHG/Steppe EBA), real Steppe MLBA (Indo-Iranian) is even lower becoz some WSHG/Steppe EBA were sourced from Eastern BMAC (Aigyrzhal).

    Pegasus only meant the Indo-Aryan progenitor (Steppe/BMAC ratios) of Tyagi is similar to other Brahmins and Rors. 30% Steppe which has been hyped so much, is in fact very rare stuff for non Jat/Jatt groups tbh, given how many 15% NE-Euro+ and 28%+ Steppe samples we have seen so far.


    Sample Fit IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA3 RUS Srubnaya Alakul MLBA UZB Dzharkutan1 BA NPL Chokhopani 2700BP
    BB002 (Bhumihar Bihar) 2.51 67.8 27 4.2 1
    BB003 (Bhumihar Bihar) 2.38 66.6 27 3.8 2.6
    Median (Bhumihar Bihar) 2.04 66.4 26 6 1.6
    Average (Bhumihar Bihar) 2.05 66.4 26.6 5 2
    BB001 (Bhumihar Bihar) 2.83 64.4 25.6 7.4 2.6
    TYUPW001 (Tyagi) 2.54 63.4 26 9.6 1



    These modellings by Pegasus is more accurate considering Eastern/pastoralist BMAC (Aigyrzhal) input.

    sample: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    distance: 1.872
    Telugu_GBR: 56.6
    Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA: 22.4
    Aigyrzhal_BA: 11.4
    Gonur1_BA: 9.6

    sample: Bhumihar Bihar:Average
    distance: 0.951782588
    Telugu_GBR: 56.8
    Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA: 20
    Aigyrzhal_BA: 14.6
    Gonur1_BA: 8.6
    Sappali_Tepe_BA: 0
    CG_IVCp: 0
    Last edited by Kaazi; 05-25-2023 at 03:48 AM.

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    Hey! I just got my father's first cousin's results. Would appreciate any assistance with modelling. Many thanks

    AA_Uncle_scaled,0.066017,-0.010155,-0.114268,0.081719,-0.067705,0.051037,0.00282,0.00923,0.004295,-0.002916,-0.008931,-0.001649,0.00223,-0.001376,0.000136,0.009414,0.00326,-0.00038,0.001885,-0.012506,-0.001996,-0.007666,-0.000123,-0.001928,0.003712

    AA_Uncle,0.0058,-0.001,-0.0303,0.0253,-0.022,0.0183,0.0012,0.004,0.0021,-0.0016,-0.0055,-0.0011,0.0015,-0.001,0.0001,0.0071,0.0025,-0.0003,0.0015,-0.01,-0.0016,-0.0062,-0.0001,-0.0016,0.0031

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    How is he 27-30% Steppe lol, why the upward range (30%) when it's clear he's 26%1% Steppe (including WSHG/Steppe EBA), real Steppe MLBA (Indo-Iranian) is even lower becoz some WSHG/Steppe EBA were sourced from Eastern BMAC (Aigyrzhal).

    Pegasus only meant the Indo-Aryan progenitor (Steppe/BMAC ratios) of Tyagi is similar to other Brahmins and Rors. 30% Steppe which has been hyped so much, is in fact very rare stuff for non Jat/Jatt groups tbh, given how many 15% NE-Euro+ and 28%+ Steppe samples we have seen so far.


    Sample Fit IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA3 RUS Srubnaya Alakul MLBA UZB Dzharkutan1 BA NPL Chokhopani 2700BP
    BB002 (Bhumihar Bihar) 2.51 67.8 27 4.2 1
    BB003 (Bhumihar Bihar) 2.38 66.6 27 3.8 2.6
    Median (Bhumihar Bihar) 2.04 66.4 26 6 1.6
    Average (Bhumihar Bihar) 2.05 66.4 26.6 5 2
    BB001 (Bhumihar Bihar) 2.83 64.4 25.6 7.4 2.6
    TYUPW001 (Tyagi) 2.54 63.4 26 9.6 1



    These modellings by Pegasus is more accurate considering Eastern/pastoralist BMAC (Aigyrzhal) input.

    sample: Tyagi:TYUPW001
    distance: 1.872
    Telugu_GBR: 56.6
    Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA: 22.4
    Aigyrzhal_BA: 11.4
    Gonur1_BA: 9.6

    sample: Bhumihar Bihar:Average
    distance: 0.951782588
    Telugu_GBR: 56.8
    Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA: 20
    Aigyrzhal_BA: 14.6
    Gonur1_BA: 8.6
    Sappali_Tepe_BA: 0
    CG_IVCp: 0
    I see. He is around 26% Central Steppe yes. Though I would still like to know why it prefers Ganj_Dareh instead of BMAC for a better fit, which changes the figures.
    By 27-30% , I was referring to being 'similar to Nagar proportions' statement. They do have this range right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    Hey! I just got my father's first cousin's results. Would appreciate any assistance with modelling. Many thanks

    AA_Uncle_scaled,0.066017,-0.010155,-0.114268,0.081719,-0.067705,0.051037,0.00282,0.00923,0.004295,-0.002916,-0.008931,-0.001649,0.00223,-0.001376,0.000136,0.009414,0.00326,-0.00038,0.001885,-0.012506,-0.001996,-0.007666,-0.000123,-0.001928,0.003712

    AA_Uncle,0.0058,-0.001,-0.0303,0.0253,-0.022,0.0183,0.0012,0.004,0.0021,-0.0016,-0.0055,-0.0011,0.0015,-0.001,0.0001,0.0071,0.0025,-0.0003,0.0015,-0.01,-0.0016,-0.0062,-0.0001,-0.0016,0.0031
    Sample: Custom ► AA Uncle scaled
    Fit: 1.9202
    Results: I8728 NEW (Kaazi) 53
    Bustan BA 24
    Maitan MLBA Alakul 20
    Chokhopani 2700BP 3


    Sample: Custom ► AA Uncle scaled
    Fit: 1.86
    Results: Iranian Plateau HG/N 44.8
    South Eurasian 24
    EHG 15.2
    Anatolian HG/N 10.6
    Central Asian HG 4.2
    East Eurasian 1.2


    Sample Distance
    Kashmiri Pakistan: Average 1.94
    Potohar Brahmin: Average 2.23
    Gujar Pakistan: Average 2.48
    Potohar Rajput: Average 2.57
    Rajput Jammu Pahari Pakistan: Average 2.76
    Brahmin Jammu Dogra: Average 2.95
    Kashmiri India Muslim: Average 3.01
    Kashmiri Pakistan o: YPAJK056 3.35
    Balti o: Average 3.47
    Kashmiri Pakistan o: YPAJK069 3.76


    Sample: Custom ► AA Uncle scaled
    Fit: 2.1397
    Results: Potohar Brahmin 75
    Awan (3) 25

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