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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahuls77 View Post
    Actually, Butt is used by the Kashmiri Muslims, whereas the Hindus use Bhat, similar to Dar used by Kashmiri Muslims, while many Kashmiri Pandits use Dhar. This indicates Indian influence. Paharis in the former princely state of J&K did not have Bhat or Butt surnames unless one was a migrant from the valley.
    That is exactly what i wanted to say i apologize for not being clear .i read something about the reason being a phonetic shift caused by it being written in sanskrit script vs being written in persian script.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I think this is the most IVC shifted Punjabi I have seen even with the Syed ancestry included.

    sample: fila
    distance: 1.9348
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2: 71.5
    CG_CentralSteppeMLBA: 11
    Levant_JOR_EBA: 9
    Gonur1_BA: 7.5
    Tibetan_Chamdo: 1



    sample: Fila
    distance: 2.2737
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3: 71.5
    TKM_IA: 19.5
    Levant_JOR_EBA: 9
    Shes not punjabi lol they have strong connection in Sindh with memons and Gujerat with connections all over the place xD like her modern day culture is almost arab/african influence with a hint of Portuguese culture xD
    Maternal Grandfather's Maternal Line: U7a3a4a

    Bro in law Maternal line: K1a12a YDna:R-Y7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber29 View Post
    Shes not punjabi lol they have strong connection in Sindh with memons and Gujerat with connections all over the place xD like her modern day culture is almost arab/african influence with a hint of Portuguese culture xD
    Makes sense , because with that Arab ancestry there was plenty of Iran_N and AASI, so it must have been higher before.

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    Can anybody enlighten me on the differences ( if any) between the Shahr_i_ Soktha BA1, BA2 and BA3...?...genoplot has them all in the reference populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber29 View Post
    Shes not punjabi lol they have strong connection in Sindh with memons and Gujerat with connections all over the place xD like her modern day culture is almost arab/african influence with a hint of Portuguese culture xD
    She has pretty interesting results when using oracles/multiethnic nmonte script on her coordinates. This is using modern averages, the individuals would be much more interesting but would take a lot of pruning. Maybe I'd remove Makrani and Bandari. And Velamas. Lol its long still.

     
    Code:
    Fila_scaled
    
    
    Finished reading population data. 563 populations found.
    25 components mode.
    
    A distance calculation method.
    
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    Mixed Mode:
    1 56.25% Sindhi + 43.75% Velamas @ 1.959
    2 68.75% Kol + 31.25% Makrani @ 2.000
    3 81.25% Iyer + 18.75% Makrani @ 2.004
    4 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Seyyed @ 2.156
    5 56.25% Velamas + 43.75% Yusufzai @ 2.171
    6 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Lor @ 2.171
    7 68.75% Iyer + 31.25% Sindhi @ 2.181
    8 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Zoroastrian @ 2.203
    9 56.25% Sindhi + 43.75% Yadava @ 2.204
    10 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Fars @ 2.211
    
    
    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Punjabi_Lahore + 25% Iranian_Bandari  @ 1.970
    2 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Iranian_Bandari  @ 1.998
    3 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Punjabi_Lahore + 25% Makrani  @ 2.012
    4 25% Sindhi + 25% Sindhi + 25% Kol + 25% Velamas  @ 2.052
    5 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Makrani  @ 2.098
    6 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Punjabi_Lahore + 25% Balochi  @ 2.152
    7 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Parsi_Pakistan  @ 2.162
    8 25% Maratha + 25% Maratha + 25% Tarkalani + 25% Brahui  @ 2.167
    9 25% Sindhi + 25% Sindhi + 25% Sindhi + 25% Mala  @ 2.170
    10 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Parsi_India  @ 2.172
    Code:
    Finished reading population data. 563 populations found.
    25 components mode.
    
    > Multiethnic nMonte calculation enabled.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    
    Distance: 1.80573
    
    37.40% Velamas
    26.40% Sindhi
    16.80% Kol
    11.00% Iranian_Bandari
    04.40% Makrani
    03.80% Punjabi_Lahore
    00.20% Balochi

    Just for comparison mixed mode with Manhattan distance calc instead of Euclidean:

     
    Code:
    Finished reading population data. 563 populations found.
    25 components mode.
    
    a distance calculation method.
    
    --------------------------------
    
    
    Mixed Mode:
    1 56.25% Sindhi + 43.75% Velamas @ 7.742
    2 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Seyyed @ 7.956
    3 68.75% Kol + 31.25% Makrani @ 8.093
    4 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Fars @ 8.222
    5 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Lor @ 8.231
    6 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Mazandarani @ 8.263
    7 81.25% Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu + 18.75% Makrani @ 8.321
    8 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Zoroastrian @ 8.350
    9 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Bandari @ 8.439
    10 56.25% Sindhi + 43.75% Yadava @ 8.550
    Last edited by ThaYamamoto; 11-26-2020 at 05:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    Can anybody enlighten me on the differences ( if any) between the Shahr_i_ Soktha BA1, BA2 and BA3...?...genoplot has them all in the reference populations.
    SIS1 is a Turan population but with significant IVC admixture related to later BMAC populations
    SIS2 is IVC
    SIS3/8728 is a subset of SIS2 , the highest coverage as well as the most applicable to the majority of modern SA populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    SIS1 is a Turan population but with significant IVC admixture related to later BMAC populations
    SIS2 is IVC
    SIS3/8728 is a subset of SIS2 , the highest coverage as well as the most applicable to the majority of modern SA populations.
    Thanks , I really appreciate this simplistic answer!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    She has pretty interesting results when using oracles/multiethnic nmonte script on her coordinates. This is using modern averages, the individuals would be much more interesting but would take a lot of pruning. Maybe I'd remove Makrani and Bandari. And Velamas. Lol its long still.

     
    Code:
    Fila_scaled
    
    
    Finished reading population data. 563 populations found.
    25 components mode.
    
    A distance calculation method.
    
    --------------------------------
    
    
    Mixed Mode:
    1 56.25% Sindhi + 43.75% Velamas @ 1.959
    2 68.75% Kol + 31.25% Makrani @ 2.000
    3 81.25% Iyer + 18.75% Makrani @ 2.004
    4 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Seyyed @ 2.156
    5 56.25% Velamas + 43.75% Yusufzai @ 2.171
    6 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Lor @ 2.171
    7 68.75% Iyer + 31.25% Sindhi @ 2.181
    8 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Zoroastrian @ 2.203
    9 56.25% Sindhi + 43.75% Yadava @ 2.204
    10 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Fars @ 2.211
    
    
    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Punjabi_Lahore + 25% Iranian_Bandari  @ 1.970
    2 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Iranian_Bandari  @ 1.998
    3 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Punjabi_Lahore + 25% Makrani  @ 2.012
    4 25% Sindhi + 25% Sindhi + 25% Kol + 25% Velamas  @ 2.052
    5 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Makrani  @ 2.098
    6 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Punjabi_Lahore + 25% Balochi  @ 2.152
    7 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Parsi_Pakistan  @ 2.162
    8 25% Maratha + 25% Maratha + 25% Tarkalani + 25% Brahui  @ 2.167
    9 25% Sindhi + 25% Sindhi + 25% Sindhi + 25% Mala  @ 2.170
    10 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Gujarati + 25% Parsi_India  @ 2.172
    Code:
    Finished reading population data. 563 populations found.
    25 components mode.
    
    > Multiethnic nMonte calculation enabled.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    
    Distance: 1.80573
    
    37.40% Velamas
    26.40% Sindhi
    16.80% Kol
    11.00% Iranian_Bandari
    04.40% Makrani
    03.80% Punjabi_Lahore
    00.20% Balochi

    Just for comparison mixed mode with Manhattan distance calc instead of Euclidean:

     
    Code:
    Finished reading population data. 563 populations found.
    25 components mode.
    
    a distance calculation method.
    
    --------------------------------
    
    
    Mixed Mode:
    1 56.25% Sindhi + 43.75% Velamas @ 7.742
    2 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Seyyed @ 7.956
    3 68.75% Kol + 31.25% Makrani @ 8.093
    4 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Fars @ 8.222
    5 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Lor @ 8.231
    6 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Mazandarani @ 8.263
    7 81.25% Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu + 18.75% Makrani @ 8.321
    8 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Zoroastrian @ 8.350
    9 81.25% Gujarati + 18.75% Iranian_Bandari @ 8.439
    10 56.25% Sindhi + 43.75% Yadava @ 8.550
    very interesting - i would explain alot of her ancestry on here but its soooooooooo much lol i just explained the surface on what it is for her lol but do you think her aasi is coming from gujerat - her syed side claims is from Iraq - so she did expect something coming as part of some persian side of things - go with the name Qadri/Kadiri

    what are your thoughts?

    P.S if her husband testes his will be more interesting he is yemeni with a huge mixing with some shia/sunni (as the syed claim on his side is also strong) alot of other things lol
    Maternal Grandfather's Maternal Line: U7a3a4a

    Bro in law Maternal line: K1a12a YDna:R-Y7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber29 View Post
    very interesting - i would explain alot of her ancestry on here but its soooooooooo much lol i just explained the surface on what it is for her lol but do you think her aasi is coming from gujerat - her syed side claims is from Iraq - so she did expect something coming as part of some persian side of things - go with the name Qadri/Kadiri

    what are your thoughts?

    P.S if her husband testes his will be more interesting he is yemeni with a huge mixing with some shia/sunni (as the syed claim on his side is also strong) alot of other things lol
    Sounds really interesting, I'm really not too sure cuz its the entire data sheet, proximal sources etc. Very well could be Iraqi, but she does score Yemeni-like ancestry on the standard nmonte calculation and some very very minor east-african ancestry so who knows. Is/was her family based in East Africa by any chance? I can keep running through her coords and see what happens but if she has an as complex background as you say then it might be real cloudy like in my own case.

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