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    Are the Kalash shifted out of the Northern Pashtun cluster due to excess East Eurasian ancestry? Or is this related to inbreeding/isolation creating their own cluster? How different are the parameters/dimensions for this PCA vs. the previous one? In this PCA, HGDP00197 is actually plotting below Kamil rather than in the Punjabi Jatt cluster and agent_lime is clustering with aaronbee's father which seems a bit off.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    Are the Kalash shifted out of the Northern Pashtun cluster due to excess East Eurasian ancestry? Or is this related to inbreeding/isolation creating their own cluster? How different are the parameters/dimensions for this PCA vs. the previous one? In this PCA, HGDP00197 is actually plotting below Kamil rather than in the Punjabi Jatt cluster and agent_lime is clustering with aaronbee's father which seems a bit off.
    No they don't have much East Eurasian they have more Iran_N/CHG , on the other PCAs they pull a bit towards Balochis

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    No they don't have much East Eurasian they have more Iran_N/CHG , on the other PCAs they pull a bit towards Balochis
    Agreed. That is what I thought as well. It’s some Northern Pashtuns and Kohistani or other Northern Dards (Kho, Shina etc.) who have that excess East Eurasian ancestry. However, the Kalash are the ones pulling away from the Iranian Fars cluster (if you zoom out) and where I presume Baluch would cluster in this particular PCA. WSHG related?

    I wonder what’s also causing the Kohistani to overlap strongly with Punjabi Jatts here too? They usually overlap more firmly with Khatris. I imagine it is their Excess East Eurasian giving them a more upward pull. Either that or WSHG/ANE.
    Last edited by Sapporo; 09-23-2020 at 03:07 AM.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    Are the Kalash shifted out of the Northern Pashtun cluster due to excess East Eurasian ancestry? Or is this related to inbreeding/isolation creating their own cluster? How different are the parameters/dimensions for this PCA vs. the previous one? In this PCA, HGDP00197 is actually plotting below Kamil rather than in the Punjabi Jatt cluster and agent_lime is clustering with aaronbee's father which seems a bit off.
    Honestly, I was expecting Khatri's and Kohistani's to be slightly skewed towards Kalash than Jatts, given that Kalash are relatively l Gedrosian/CHG shifted in proportion to their Steppe MLBA. Not sure what to make of this perspective. There looks to be a bit of strange drift. Maybe it's the excess ANE signal among Dardics, not all of which is Bronze Age Steppe related.
    Last edited by kamil154; 09-23-2020 at 01:53 AM.
    G25 Neolithic model

    "sample": "kamil154",
    "distance": 2.2284,
    "Ganj_Dareh_N": 41,
    "Barcin_N": 18,
    "Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX": 17,
    "Karelia_HG": 10.5,
    "GEO_CHG": 3.5,
    "Tyumen_HG": 3,
    "LAO_Hoabinhian": 2.5,
    "LapaDoSanto_9600BP": 2.5,
    "Boshan_N": 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamil154 View Post
    Honestly, I was expecting Khatri's and Kohistani's to be slightly skewed towards Kalash than Jatts, given that Kalash are relatively l Gedrosian/CHG shifted in proportion to their Steppe MLBA. Not sure what to make of this perspective. There looks to be a bit of strange drift. Maybe it's the excess ANE signal among Dardics, not all of which is Bronze Age Steppe related.
    I'm not so sure either tbh. I would presume a Northward pull on the PCA is either Steppe MLBA, excess East Eurasian or WSHG/ANE related while a South/southwest pull is Gedrosia/CHG/Iran N. Yet, that means Kalash are out of place on the PCA. Though, at least for the Kohistani, they often have 5-6%+ excess East Eurasian. So, I understand why they are overlapping with Punjabi Jatts in this case.

    Anyways, that does't explain aaronbee's father clustering with agent_lime or aaronbee clustering with Lollybolly. I've never seen that before on a PCA since they pull in different directions.
    Last edited by Sapporo; 09-24-2020 at 03:08 PM.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
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    Anyways, that does't explain aaronbee's father clustering with agent_lime or aaronbee clustering with Lollybolly. I've never seen that before on a PCA since they pull in different directions.
    Its just the visual perspective giving the impression of clustering. Switching to the 3D PCA allows you to rotate along the X axis to see the separation.

    3D PCA

    That plot does not have Tajiks included which is compressing the variance along the Y axis. Adding the Tajik samples back in, along with East Asian shifted populations such as Uzbeks stretches the Y axis to better balance the PCA. The Kalash are now in the main NW South Asian cluster. Selecting the appropriate edge populations for a PCA can be useful in identifying the quadrants of a plot.

    3D PCA

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    The New UK Sikh samples seem to go with User results we have of different punjabi Biradaris. Way better representative than PJL imo.

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    Posting in this thread for South Asian members. Some of these can be really helpful. Thanks Korotyr.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korotyr View Post
    Here's another take on the MENA ghosts. But note that as before I don't guarantee their accuracy.

    ANA: The most optimized model I could make for Taforalt is by combining Natufian and Mota, the ghost is essentially the leftover "SSA" signal.
    Proto-Natufian: Natufian without ANA/Taforalt. Possibly what the Kebarans or Ahmarians were like.
    Anatolia-related: Some Anatolia-specific drift/contributor. The non WHG, Proto-Natufian, CHG and Iran part of AHG.
    Proto-CHG: The non ANE, Proto-Natufian and Anatolia-related signal of CHG.
    Proto-IranHG: The non ANE, Proto-Natufian, Anatolia-related and AASI signal in Iran_N.


     
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    Proto-Natufian_(simulated),0.154549,0.185486,-0.045424,-0.181721,0.03489,-0.100323,0.001981,-0.039605,0.09774,0.004875,0.044136,-0.019354,0.081207,0.037592,-0.017759,0.025542,-0.036934,0.037069,0.054803,0.04523,0.025848,0.0795 25,-0.051595,0.007188,0.001536
    Anatolia-related_(simulated),0.115155,0.156392,0.161136,-0.021577,0.148563,0.01786,-0.023271,0.028501,-0.048151,0.288924,-0.055841,0.078016,-0.24866,-0.097565,-0.174014,-0.037085,0.229531,-0.045251,-0.011016,-0.135266,-0.18256,-0.107516,0.06623,0.047026,-0.024767
    Proto-CHG_(simulated),0.04636,0.166384,-0.284809,-0.095302,-0.22379,0.073092,0.136269,0.063533,-0.416586,-0.212161,-0.076884,0.082412,-0.195129,0.054375,0.118876,-0.097862,0.070937,-0.041895,-0.093389,0.101255,0.131293,-0.064192,0.01097,-0.089728,0.00942
    Proto-IranHG_(simulated),-0.018132,0.220989,-0.444599,-0.189654,-0.384964,0.059763,0.116147,0.085296,-0.459418,-0.190244,-0.072849,0.022645,-0.086978,-0.027091,0.110616,0.195763,0.006996,-0.002614,0.033252,-0.190721,0.031566,-0.166249,-0.03519,-0.143988,0.070395


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber29 View Post
    best friends (Qureshi)
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    Can you share the coordinates?

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