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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Most of those components can be nested in Udegram esp for you, Tirpeneni uses this F3 Nmonte all the time.
    Basically, it's recreated Udegram with extra Steppe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    Where is Dali MLBA?
    It's surely not a coincidence that the ancient and present-day South Asians on the plot (including those from Pakistan's Swat Valley dated to the Iron Age) form an almost prefect cline between these two pairs of individuals. It's also surely not a coincidence that the MLBA IAMC groups are rich in Y-haplogroup R1a-M417, and in particular its R1a-Z93 subclade, which is today an especially frequent marker in Indo-European-speaking South Asians.

    Forget about the pre-MLBA populations from the forests, steppe, or IAMC, like those represented by Dali_EBA; they're practically irrelevant to this story. How do I know? Because they have little to no impact on the above mentioned cline. And this can be easily verified with mixture models based on multiple Principal Components (PCs) and formal statistics (for instance, see here).


    Clearly, many populations in South Asia, particularly those speaking Indo-European languages, derive the bulk of their steppe-related ancestry from the peoples of the MLBA IAMC, and/or their very close relatives. And if you do believe that this inference is just based on coincidences, then I'm sorry to say this, but obviously a new, much less mentally challenging, hobby or profession beckons. All the best with that.
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/0...-of-india.html

    Here you go dude.

    It seems like this is the Dali_EBA not MLBA. What's the difference?
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    duplicate

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    Where is Dali MLBA?
    Kazakh Steppe bordering with Western China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/0...-of-india.html

    Here you go dude.

    It seems like this is the Dali_EBA not MLBA. What's the difference?
    A couple of Sintashta_MLBA samples like I007 are closest to Dali_EBA than to other Sintashta_MLBA samples.


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    The Lola sample is on G25

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    A couple of Sintashta_MLBA samples like I007 are closest to Dali_EBA than to other Sintashta_MLBA samples.
    That's a fit of 6. I wonder what the model for Dali_EBA will be like. I don't know enough to try to model it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    That's a fit of 6. I wonder what the model for Dali_EBA will be like. I don't know enough to try to model it.
    That SintashtaMLBA sample had nobody close to it... it was from 1800BCE and it’s closest were Dali fromEBA and even straight up ANE (Malta boy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Randwulf ran an ancient spreadsheet on his thread.

    Interesting results.

    distance%: 0.87

    Udegram_IA 31.81
    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 18.87
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL 14.47
    Dali_MLBA 10.73
    Saidu_Sharif_IA 10.65
    Katelai_IA 5.58
    Gonur1_BA 2.71
    England_CA_EBA 2.46
    Iberomaurusian 1.69
    Parkhai_MBA 1.02
    Randwulf also ran my family too:

    You:

    distance%: 1.15

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 47.29
    Butkara_IA 34.76
    Saidu_Sharif_IA 12.41
    Iberia_N 3.17
    Tianyuan 2.18
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 0.18
    Aligrama_IA 0.01

    Dad:

    distance%: 1.19

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 38.86
    Saidu_Sharif_IA 31.97
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 17.14
    Butkara_IA 6.11
    LBK_N 3.84
    Tianyuan 1.17
    Natufian 0.91

    Sister:

    distance%: 1.23

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 41.99
    Saidu_Sharif_IA 30.28
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 17.22
    Tianyuan 6.11
    Iberia_ChL 4.4

    Mom:

    distance%: 0.91

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 53.94
    Barikot_IA 13.96
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 9.57
    Saidu_Sharif_IA 8.15
    Aligrama_IA 7.5
    Iberia_ChL 6.87

    The surprising thing compared to the results of other South Asians seems to be the Tianyuan component; I wonder where it came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traject View Post
    Randwulf also ran my family too:

    You:

    distance%: 1.15

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 47.29
    Butkara_IA 34.76
    Saidu_Sharif_IA 12.41
    Iberia_N 3.17
    Tianyuan 2.18
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 0.18
    Aligrama_IA 0.01

    Dad:

    distance%: 1.19

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 38.86
    Saidu_Sharif_IA 31.97
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 17.14
    Butkara_IA 6.11
    LBK_N 3.84
    Tianyuan 1.17
    Natufian 0.91

    Sister:

    distance%: 1.23

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 41.99
    Saidu_Sharif_IA 30.28
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 17.22
    Tianyuan 6.11
    Iberia_ChL 4.4

    Mom:

    distance%: 0.91

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 53.94
    Barikot_IA 13.96
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 9.57
    Saidu_Sharif_IA 8.15
    Aligrama_IA 7.5
    Iberia_ChL 6.87

    The surprising thing compared to the results of other South Asians seems to be the Tianyuan component; I wonder where it came from.
    You:

    distance%: 1.35

    Saidu_Sharif_IA 41.45
    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 24.68
    Birhor 21.73
    Udegram_IA 4.66
    Iberomaurusian 4.1
    Aligrama_IA 3.39

    Dad:

    distance%: 1.1

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 33.96
    Saidu_Sharif_IA 21.97
    Birhor 12.62
    England_MBA 9.39
    Aligrama_IA 4.89
    Udegram_IA 4.62
    Sweden_Viking_Age 4.28
    Barikot_IA 3.33
    Loebanr_IA 2.95
    Iberomaurusian 2.01

    Randwulf also ran my dad and I and these are the results that came out.

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