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    Coordinates sent to poi, one down. Scores very different from me, seems like more BMAC with high Iran N kind. He's on the lower aasi end for Tarkhans. David plotted him near kashmiris. Which I'm not surprised about considering the oracles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Coordinates sent to poi, one down. Scores very different from me, seems like more BMAC with high Iran N kind. He's on the lower aasi end for Tarkhans. David plotted him near kashmiris. Which I'm not surprised about considering the oracles.
    Just added the Ramgharia, plus a few that I got from Kalashviv (Kerala_Nair and Kerala_Thiyya).

    I have not gone through the newly added ones, but checked the new Ramgharia's checkfit(scaled) and it is all very different from you and closer to Yusufzai, Potohar Rajput(Amber), Kohistani, Khatri, and Sindhi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Just added the Ramgharia, plus a few that I got from Kalashviv (Kerala_Nair and Kerala_Thiyya).

    I have not gone through the newly added ones, but checked the new Ramgharia's checkfit(scaled) and it is all very different from you and closer to Yusufzai, Potohar Rajput(Amber), Kohistani, Khatri, and Sindhi.
    I wonder if he's mixed in past 2 or 3 gens. I'll check with him again. The other guy should be somewhere between me and him. So I'd say I'm on one extreme end, and this guy on other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Coordinates sent to poi, one down. Scores very different from me, seems like more BMAC with high Iran N kind. He's on the lower aasi end for Tarkhans. David plotted him near kashmiris. Which I'm not surprised about considering the oracles.
    Could you post his Harappa results and oracles

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Could you post his Harappa results and oracles
    Population Percent
    1 Baloch 36.82
    2 S-Indian 31.05
    3 Caucasian 13.81
    4 NE-Euro 10.43
    5 Mediterranean 2.13
    6 Beringian 1.13
    7 SW-Asian 0.99
    8 Siberian 0.88
    9 NE-Asian 0.65
    10 American 0.56
    11 Papuan 0.49
    12 E-African 0.42
    13 SE-Asian 0.39
    14 W-African 0.24

     
    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kashmiri (harappa) 3.13
    2 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 3.35
    3 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 4.18
    4 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.31
    5 punjabi (harappa) 5.24
    6 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.83
    7 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 5.9
    8 sindhi (harappa) 6.1
    9 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 6.47
    10 up-muslim (harappa) 6.63
    11 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 6.69
    12 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 7.32
    13 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 8
    14 pathan (hgdp) 8.17
    15 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.52
    16 haryana-jatt (harappa) 8.98
    17 nepalese-a (xing) 9.75
    18 bhatia (harappa) 10.13
    19 burusho (hgdp) 10.6
    20 sindhi (hgdp) 10.62

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 88.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 1.18
    2 88.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.4% turk (behar) @ 1.27
    3 88.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.4% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 1.27
    4 92.6% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.35
    5 92.6% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.4% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.49
    6 92.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.49
    7 88.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.6% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 1.49
    8 87.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 12.1% azeri (harappa) @ 1.52
    9 87.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 12.1% turkish (harappa) @ 1.52
    10 87.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 12.1% romanian-b (behar) @ 1.54
    11 93% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.55
    12 92.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.1% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.63
    13 90.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.5% cypriot (behar) @ 1.65
    14 88.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 11.7% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 1.66
    15 90.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.9% armenian (behar) @ 1.67
    16 88.4% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 11.6% adygei (hgdp) @ 1.72
    17 92% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 8% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 1.75
    18 93.1% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6.9% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.78
    19 88.5% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 11.5% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 1.81
    20 91.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.7% druze (hgdp) @ 1.86


    Also his Ydna is T-M70. Family surnames are Reehal paternally, Matharu maternally. Maternal grandmom is Suri and paternal grandmother is Jagdev.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Population Percent
    1 Baloch 36.82
    2 S-Indian 31.05
    3 Caucasian 13.81
    4 NE-Euro 10.43
    5 Mediterranean 2.13
    6 Beringian 1.13
    7 SW-Asian 0.99
    8 Siberian 0.88
    9 NE-Asian 0.65
    10 American 0.56
    11 Papuan 0.49
    12 E-African 0.42
    13 SE-Asian 0.39
    14 W-African 0.24

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kashmiri (harappa) 3.13
    2 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 3.35
    3 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 4.18
    4 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.31
    5 punjabi (harappa) 5.24
    6 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.83
    7 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 5.9
    8 sindhi (harappa) 6.1
    9 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 6.47
    10 up-muslim (harappa) 6.63
    11 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 6.69
    12 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 7.32
    13 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 8
    14 pathan (hgdp) 8.17
    15 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.52
    16 haryana-jatt (harappa) 8.98
    17 nepalese-a (xing) 9.75
    18 bhatia (harappa) 10.13
    19 burusho (hgdp) 10.6
    20 sindhi (hgdp) 10.62

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 88.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 1.18
    2 88.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.4% turk (behar) @ 1.27
    3 88.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.4% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 1.27
    4 92.6% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.35
    5 92.6% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.4% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.49
    6 92.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.49
    7 88.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.6% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 1.49
    8 87.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 12.1% azeri (harappa) @ 1.52
    9 87.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 12.1% turkish (harappa) @ 1.52
    10 87.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 12.1% romanian-b (behar) @ 1.54
    11 93% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.55
    12 92.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.1% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.63
    13 90.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.5% cypriot (behar) @ 1.65
    14 88.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 11.7% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 1.66
    15 90.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.9% armenian (behar) @ 1.67
    16 88.4% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 11.6% adygei (hgdp) @ 1.72
    17 92% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 8% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 1.75
    18 93.1% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6.9% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.78
    19 88.5% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 11.5% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 1.81
    20 91.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.7% druze (hgdp) @ 1.86
    He is very similar in admixture to the Kashmiri Brahmins I posted few days back with slightly higher steppe tho.


    "sample": "Punjab_Ramgharia:RamgarhiaHD_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.7009,
    "Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 27.5,
    "Dzharkutan1_BA": 22.5,
    "Sintashta_MLBA": 16.67,
    "Saidu_Sharif_IA_o": 15.83,
    "Darra_i_kur": 15,
    "Naxi": 2.5,
    "Iberomaurusian": 0,


    His checkfit match



    "sample": "Yusufzai:Y-131",
    "fit": 1.8441,
    "Dzharkutan1_BA": 23.33,
    "Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 21.67,
    "Sintashta_MLBA": 19.17,
    "Saidu_Sharif_IA_o": 17.5,
    "Darra_i_kur": 15,
    "Naxi": 2.5,
    "Iberomaurusian": 0.83,
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Population Percent
    1 Baloch 36.82
    2 S-Indian 31.05
    3 Caucasian 13.81
    4 NE-Euro 10.43
    5 Mediterranean 2.13
    6 Beringian 1.13
    7 SW-Asian 0.99
    8 Siberian 0.88
    9 NE-Asian 0.65
    10 American 0.56
    11 Papuan 0.49
    12 E-African 0.42
    13 SE-Asian 0.39
    14 W-African 0.24

     
    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kashmiri (harappa) 3.13
    2 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 3.35
    3 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 4.18
    4 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.31
    5 punjabi (harappa) 5.24
    6 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.83
    7 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 5.9
    8 sindhi (harappa) 6.1
    9 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 6.47
    10 up-muslim (harappa) 6.63
    11 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 6.69
    12 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 7.32
    13 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 8
    14 pathan (hgdp) 8.17
    15 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.52
    16 haryana-jatt (harappa) 8.98
    17 nepalese-a (xing) 9.75
    18 bhatia (harappa) 10.13
    19 burusho (hgdp) 10.6
    20 sindhi (hgdp) 10.62

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 88.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 1.18
    2 88.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.4% turk (behar) @ 1.27
    3 88.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.4% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 1.27
    4 92.6% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.35
    5 92.6% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.4% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.49
    6 92.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.49
    7 88.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.6% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 1.49
    8 87.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 12.1% azeri (harappa) @ 1.52
    9 87.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 12.1% turkish (harappa) @ 1.52
    10 87.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 12.1% romanian-b (behar) @ 1.54
    11 93% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.55
    12 92.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 7.1% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.63
    13 90.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.5% cypriot (behar) @ 1.65
    14 88.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 11.7% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 1.66
    15 90.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.9% armenian (behar) @ 1.67
    16 88.4% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 11.6% adygei (hgdp) @ 1.72
    17 92% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 8% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 1.75
    18 93.1% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6.9% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.78
    19 88.5% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 11.5% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 1.81
    20 91.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.7% druze (hgdp) @ 1.86


    Also his Ydna is T-M70. Family surnames are Reehal paternally, Matharu maternally. Maternal grandmom is Suri and paternal grandmother is Jagdev.
    This guy would fit in with the slight outlier range in Khatris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    He is very similar in admixture to the Kashmiri Brahmins I posted few days back with slightly higher steppe tho.


    "sample": "Punjab_Ramgharia:RamgarhiaHD_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.7009,
    "Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 27.5,
    "Dzharkutan1_BA": 22.5,
    "Sintashta_MLBA": 16.67,
    "Saidu_Sharif_IA_o": 15.83,
    "Darra_i_kur": 15,
    "Naxi": 2.5,
    "Iberomaurusian": 0,


    His checkfit match



    "sample": "Yusufzai:Y-131",
    "fit": 1.8441,
    "Dzharkutan1_BA": 23.33,
    "Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 21.67,
    "Sintashta_MLBA": 19.17,
    "Saidu_Sharif_IA_o": 17.5,
    "Darra_i_kur": 15,
    "Naxi": 2.5,
    "Iberomaurusian": 0.83,
    Suri is used by khatris as well, although he did not specify if his grandmother was Khatri suri. I'm waiting for the reply. Based in haraopa Tarkhans seem to score similar to Either Kashmiri Brahmins or Punjabi brahmins, but some seem to lean towards high Iran N, which kind of goes with my theory that rather than an ancient tribe it's more like assimilation of different groups who picked craftwork, which would explain massive surname overlap with other Punjabi Biradaris.

    Here is the spreadsheet with Tarkhan results on Harappa if anyone is curious.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Suri is used by khatris as well, although he did not specify if his grandmother was Khatri suri. I'm waiting for the reply. Based in haraopa Tarkhans seem to score similar to Either Kashmiri Brahmins or Punjabi brahmins, but some seem to lean towards high Iran N, which kind of goes with my theory that rather than an ancient tribe it's more like assimilation of different groups who picked craftwork, which would explain massive surname overlap with other Punjabi Biradaris.

    Here is the spreadsheet with Tarkhan results on Harappa if anyone is curious.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk
    I find it very interesting how many of the punjab groups are more NW shifted than the punjabi brahmin samples. It all points to "post vedic"/more recent admix with foreign groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    I find it very interesting how many of the punjab groups are more NW shifted than the punjabi brahmin samples. It all points to "post vedic"/more recent admix with foreign groups.
    There is another dude I'm trying to get data of, but the response is really cold from him. His results are even more fascinating considering East african is rare in all the samples, yet he scores it. His family hails from Jallandhar.


    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 37.71
    2 S-Indian 31.13
    3 Caucasian 13.37
    4 NE-Euro 8.19
    5 SW-Asian 2.99
    6 Siberian 1.5
    7 SE-Asian 1.44
    8 Beringian 1.22
    9 E-African 1.22
    10 San 0.66
    11 Papuan 0.26
    12 Pygmy 0.16
    13 NE-Asian 0.11
    14 Mediterranean 0.04


    Here is a Punjabi Brahmin:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.17
    2 S-Indian 30.86
    3 Caucasian 12.55
    4 NE-Euro 10.33
    5 American 2.2
    6 SE-Asian 1.81
    7 Mediterranean 1.42
    8 Beringian 0.66


    And here is a Haryanvi Brahmin (his email says karnal)

    Population Percent
    1 Baloch 37.54
    2 S-Indian 31.57
    3 Caucasian 14.37
    4 NE-Euro 12.81
    5 Beringian 2.46
    6 Papuan 0.65
    7 American 0.55
    8 NE-Asian 0.04


    There are a lot of Brahmin matches they get. If someone is willing to contact them and get their data, I can provide the emails. We need Brahmins from Punjab in nmonte.

    Here are some Suniyar (Verma), most likely from Kashmir:


    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 38.23
    2 S-Indian 29.05
    3 Caucasian 15.06
    4 NE-Euro 10.37
    5 NE-Asian 2.37
    6 Mediterranean 1.7
    7 Siberian 1.15
    8 W-African 0.6
    9 American 0.5
    10 Beringian 0.49
    11 Papuan 0.47



    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 38.19
    2 S-Indian 31.17
    3 Caucasian 13.44
    4 NE-Euro 12.52
    5 NE-Asian 1.65
    6 Beringian 1.14
    7 American 0.99
    8 SW-Asian 0.7
    9 Mediterranean 0.15
    10 Papuan 0.05
    Last edited by MonkeyDLuffy; 02-28-2019 at 08:50 AM.

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