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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    I find it very interesting how many of the punjab groups are more NW shifted than the punjabi brahmin samples. It all points to "post vedic"/more recent admix with foreign groups.
    I think it's the opposite. Brahmins are few and far in between in Punjab, so they made marriage alliances with ASI shifted ones from the Gangatic plains. Everyone mixed too but less so. Plus Punjab attracted folks from the Gangatic plains who are naturalized. Look at PJL B, C and D, a lot of these don't fit into Punjab. Go to Ludhiana, or Chandigard today and half the population are these folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    I think it's the opposite. Brahmins are few and far in between in Punjab, so they made marriage alliances with ASI shifted ones from the Gangatic plains. Everyone mixed too but less so. Plus Punjab attracted folks from the Gangatic plains who are naturalized. Look at PJL B, C and D, a lot of these don't fit into Punjab. Go to Ludhiana, or Chandigard today and half the population are these folks.
    Punjabi Brahmins seems to be blend of gangetic and Kashmiri like brahmins. Notice they've high east asian. And I won't be surprised if marriages with Khatris happened in past since they were looked as equal.

    PJL B, C, D are as native to Punjab as PJL A kind. They are the OG's imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Punjabi Brahmins seems to be blend of gangetic and Kashmiri like brahmins. Notice they've high east asian. And I won't be surprised if marriages with Khatris happened in past since they were looked as equal.
    My sister is married to a Mohiyal Brahmin. It is an "acceptable" marriage (was a love marriage). Both sides of the family think they are better than each other. Economically, the Khatris are far far ahead of Brahmins. Some Brahmins that I have dealt with have a huge superiority complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post

    PJL B, C, D are as native to Punjab as PJL A kind. They are the OG's imo.
    You think the C and D are natives and not transplants from the late middle ages to modern age? Which biradris go into PJL D? I thought even Mazhabis are B-C.

    Edit: Do we have coords for PJL C, D folks Poi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    You think the C and D are natives and not transplants from the late middle ages to modern age? Which biradris go into PJL D? I thought even Mazhabis are B-C.

    Edit: Do we have coords for PJL C, D folks Poi?
    Mazhabis are C or D. Banjaras would probably fall between those two as well. B would be Chamar like. And rest of biradaris fall between either A or in middle of A and B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    I think it's the opposite. Brahmins are few and far in between in Punjab, so they made marriage alliances with ASI shifted ones from the Gangatic plains. Everyone mixed too but less so. Plus Punjab attracted folks from the Gangatic plains who are naturalized. Look at PJL B, C and D, a lot of these don't fit into Punjab. Go to Ludhiana, or Chandigard today and half the population are these folks.
    I'm talking about Biradaris and Khatris mainly. Not all groups of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Punjabi Brahmins seems to be blend of gangetic and Kashmiri like brahmins. Notice they've high east asian. And I won't be surprised if marriages with Khatris happened in past since they were looked as equal.

    PJL B, C, D are as native to Punjab as PJL A kind. They are the OG's imo.
    Do you have the PJL spreadsheet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    Do you have the PJL spreadsheet?
    The spreadsheet I posted up there has PJL results in it, look for "Punjabi" tab. It's not divided by ABCD though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    The spreadsheet I posted up there has PJL results in it, look for "Punjabi" tab. It's not divided by ABCD though.
    Harappa is outdated tough to tell any real admixure details from it, other than very high level general trend. Eurugenes V2 or mdlp are little better.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    My sister is married to a Mohiyal Brahmin. It is an "acceptable" marriage (was a love marriage). Both sides of the family think they are better than each other. Economically, the Khatris are far far ahead of Brahmins. Some Brahmins that I have dealt with have a huge superiority complex.
    Do you know his Muhial group - Bali, Lau, etc.?
    Any chance he has has tested?

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