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    Ok. Pegasus, you do say that pahstuns and afghan tajiks are closer to jats and khatris than tajikstanis, right?

    The reason i sad iranian bandaris and lors are closer to west asians than yaghnobi, is because you showed me this plot(and it does take bandaris closer to west asians than yaghnobis are)https://plot.ly/~mpan19/53/#/

    Also, on another thread rors were placed closer to tajikstanis than pahstuns were, while you said pahstuns were not any different from jats at all and didnt disagree that we're an extension of jats/khatris. Right?

    I dont get why people act like i'm saying something wrong? I just say what all of you showed to me/told me. THat's it.

    Pahstuns are only south asians(so are afghan tajiks) and we have no other affinity to our western and northern neighbors at all, excluding extreme south asian shifted/south asian like pamiris. THat isn't wrong to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jama0112 View Post
    Ok. Pegasus, you do say that pahstuns and afghan tajiks are closer to jats and khatris than tajikstanis, right?

    The reason i sad iranian bandaris and lors are closer to west asians than yaghnobi, is because you showed me this plot(and it does take bandaris closer to west asians than yaghnobis are)https://plot.ly/~mpan19/53/#/

    Also, on another thread rors were placed closer to tajikstanis than pahstuns were, while you said pahstuns were not any different from jats at all and didnt disagree that we're an extension of jats/khatris. Right?

    I dont get why people act like i'm saying something wrong? I just say what all of you showed to me/told me. THat's it.

    Pahstuns are only south asians(so are afghan tajiks) and we have no other affinity to our western and northern neighbors at all, excluding extreme south asian shifted/south asian like pamiris. THat isn't wrong to say.
    Nobody said your wrong , its just that the point was conveyed and its just extremely repetitive now . Plots are not meant to be exact but approximate markers and they will keep changing as more data , samples come in. There are ample posts and plots on this thread look through them first .

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    Congratulations, this thread has gotten the very-busy-Khanabadoshi's attention.
    You can take it from here puhleaze lol

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    Ok, i wont keep mentioning it anymore

    But i doubt the plots change much though

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Please substantiate your claim. Where is the cherry picking? What is the agenda? Who is pushing that agenda? What is the academic dishonesty that is happening? You think we have messed with the modelling? Or changed samples? Why don't you do the modelling and show us all your work?
    Are we talking about the plot I posted & other plots here? Just to clarify, the one I posted I received from David. I don't know which other plots you're referring to. I'm new here, but I haven't felt any agenda pushing. I second this, please clarify with more details

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    A common trope is that Balochi/Brahui are recent migrants to Balochistan, but from what the model shows they are clearly indigenous to the area. Also rules out the area as the main route for Indo Aryans as the populations are clearly depressed for Steppe. They descend from a Sindhi like population.

    default penalty
    "sample": "Balochi:Average",
    "fit": 0.8534,
    "Sindhi": 70.83,
    "Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 13.33,
    "Seh_Gabi_ChL": 8.33,
    "Sintashta_MLBA": 5.83,
    "Iberomaurusian": 0.83,
    "Naxi": 0.83,


    "sample": "Brahui:Average",
    "fit": 0.9182,
    "Sindhi": 71.67,
    "Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 11.67,
    "Seh_Gabi_ChL": 9.17,
    "Sintashta_MLBA": 5,
    "Iberomaurusian": 1.67,
    "Naxi": 0.83,

    Using Bandharis the fits get far worse

    "sample": "Balochi:Average",
    "fit": 2.4075,
    "Iranian_Bandari": 50.83,
    "Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 40,
    "Sintashta_MLBA": 5.83,
    "Naxi": 3.33,
    "Iberomaurusian": 0,
    "Seh_Gabi_ChL": 0,

    "sample": "Brahui:Average",
    "fit": 2.4614,
    "Iranian_Bandari": 53.33,
    "Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 38.33,
    "Sintashta_MLBA": 5,
    "Naxi": 3.33,
    "Iberomaurusian": 0,
    "Seh_Gabi_ChL": 0,
    Last edited by pegasus; 03-19-2019 at 03:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Is it possible the rors picked up Iran_N from other sources? If you think about it chronologically Jats/ Rors came after the IVCp populations moved. Further, they have been largely endogamous. Could they just be a sister population to the Tajiks which took in some HG ASI tribals as well as some Gangetic plains folks? Wasn't their Alder analysis pointing to 1600 years ago mix?
    I doubt HG populations were around that late ,esp considering this model is pretty tight. In many of them slightly more of their Iran_N is coming from the composite Central Asian population. That paper said 63% Steppe MLBA but thats incorrect, 22-27% is BMAC related, rest is Steppe (PC + Siberian) . They conflated BMAC related ancestry as being Yamna.



    Ror:

    distance%: 0.22

    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 18.45
    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 17.96
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1 16.09
    Krasnoyarsk_MLBA 13.43
    Sintashta_MLBA 12.98
    Zevakinskiy_BA 5.69
    Darra_i_kur 5.15
    Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA_o2 3.66
    Gonur1_BA 2.88
    Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA_o1 2.37
    Wusun 1.34




    Ror_37:

    distance%: 0.87

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 34.54
    Sintashta_MLBA 27.95
    Gonur1_BA 26.93
    Sintashta_MLBA_o1 5.39
    Kairan_MLBA 5.18
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    "distance%=1.0862"

    Suresh_T

    AGUser_Kush,31
    Kerala_KnanayaTobin855115,30.5
    AGUser_ssamlal_brother_VS,18.5
    AGUser_midichlorian_patel,14.5
    AGUser_ssamlal,3.5
    Brahmin_Khas_Nepalpoi_uncle_maternal,2

    "distance%=1.2292"

    midi_patel

    Suresh_T,37
    AGUser_Kush,30
    AGUser_censored,14.75
    Brahmin_Khas_Nepalpoi_dad,10.25
    Brahmin_Khas_Nepalpoi_MotherInLaw,6
    AGUser_Reza_Feni,2

    "distance%=0.9952"

    KUSH_reddy

    AGUser_traject_mother,44
    Suresh_T,25.5
    MIDI,12.5
    AGUser_Reza_Mother,7
    Kerala_Knanaya,6.5
    AGUser_traject_father,4.5

    "distance%=0.8954"

    Gujarati:NA20849

    Suresh_T,30
    KUSH,20
    AGUser_soulblighter_vathula,19.25
    AGUser_censored,9.5
    AGUser_misanthropy_brother,8.5
    Kart,7.25
    Kerala_Knanaya,5.5

    "distance%=1.2162"

    Gujarati:NA20892

    KUSH,46.75
    AGUser_Reza_Mother,35
    MIDI,8
    AGUser_misanthropy_brother,5
    AGUser_censored,3
    Kerala_NairKalashviv,1.25
    AGUser_KhanaGFSister,0.75
    AGUser_MonkeyDLuffy,0.25

    "distance%=0.8513"

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB003

    AGUser_Nai,45
    Suresh_T,23.25
    AGUser_Tanzil,17.5
    AGUser_spicydad,5
    AGUser_26284729292,3.5
    AGUser_ssamlal,2.25
    AGUser_traject,2.25
    AGUser_frostassassin_mom,1.25

    "distance%=0.6508"

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001

    AGUser_soulblighter_vathula,24.5
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    AGUser_censored,17.25
    Suresh_T,10
    AGUser_ssamlal,8.75
    AGUser_Nai,6.5
    AGUser_misanthropy_brother,4.25
    MIDI,3.25
    AGUser_26284729292,3
    AGUser_Jatt1_d,0.25

    "distance%=1.198"

    Maratha:MT-10

    AGUser_Reza_Wife,23.75
    Suresh_T,22.25
    AGUser_ssamlal,20.25
    Kart,15.5
    AGUser_ssamlal_brother_VS,9.75
    AGUser_censored,5.25
    AGUser_misanthropy_brother,3.25

    "distance%=1.3668"

    Velamas:VELZ267

    AGUser_26284729292,31.25
    Kerala_NairKalashviv,27.25
    AGUser_ssamlal,23.5
    Suresh_T,11.25
    Kart,5.5
    AGUser_soulblighter_vathula,1.25

    "distance%=0.7591"

    Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-6

    AGUser_Zuran_Aftab,33.75
    AGUser_ssamlal,23.5
    AGUser_frostassassin_mom,20
    AGUser_Jatt1_d,16
    Suresh_T,4
    AGUser_Rukha,2.75

    "distance%=1.9112"

    Dharkar:HA037

    AGUser_misanthropy_brother,36.5
    AGUser_soulblighter_vathula,18.25
    AGUser_ssamlal_brother_VS,14.5
    AGUser_Reza_Mother,12.5
    Suresh_T,11
    KUSH,7.25

    "distance%=1.0244"

    Sindhi:S_Sindhi-2

    AGUser_Nai,32
    AGUser_Bolnat,22.5
    AGUser_Jatt1_d,13
    AGUser_parasar,12.75
    AGUser_midichlorian_patel,11.5
    AGUser_surbakhun,3.75
    Brahmin_Khas_Nepalpoi_fatherInLaw,3.5
    AGUser_VelvetNono,1


    "distance%=0.9968"

    Punjabi_Lahore:S_Punjabi-2

    AGUser_Kush,27
    AGUser_ssamlal_brother_VS,22.75
    AGUser_Reza_Mother,19.25
    AGUser_misanthropy,11.5
    AGUser_ssamlal,11.5
    AGUser_Reza_Feni,6.75
    AGUser_censored,1.25

    "distance%=1.7966"

    Maratha:MT-05

    AGUser_ssamlal_brother_VS,34.25
    AGUser_ssamlal,22.75
    AGUser_Kush,19
    AGUser_misanthropy_brother,13.25
    AGUser_Reza,10.75

    "distance%=0.6778"

    Brahmin_West_Bengal:BR2_14

    AGUser_spicydad,39
    AGUser_Tanzil,23
    AGUser_Jatt1_b,17.5
    AGUser_Jortita_LDNA,12.5
    AGUser_frostassassin_mom,4.5
    AGUser_parasar,1.75
    AGUser_Reza_Wife,1.75


    "distance%=3.5441"

    Iraqi_Jew:IraqiJew4291

    AGUser_DMXX,97.5
    AGUser_misanthropy_brother,2.5
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    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
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    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

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    Trying to see if there is any Greek for the Tajiks. Only the Yahnobi show a trace amount-

    "sample": "Tajik_Yagnobi:Average",
    "fit": 2.0075,
    "Sintashta_MLBA": 48.33,
    "Tepe_Hissar_ChL": 45,
    "Dai": 5,
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    "Dai": 10.83,
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    "Dai": 7.5,
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