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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    Thanks Pegasus, that's helpful.

    Does that mean that my Khala's Iran Chl admix is anomalous and not indicative of recent plateau admixture as previously surmised?

    For a minute I thought the coordinates may have been erroneous seeing the G25 differences between my Mom/Khala/Naani haha
    I have to look at both , but your Khala is definitely a bit different, though not as odd as your Grandfather's results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I have to look at both , but your Khala is definitely a bit different, though not as odd as your Grandfather's results.
    Hahaha I agree re my grandad, the recurrent Med has me stumped. I recently returned from Pakistan and made a point of asking every other relative for their version of the family history. They all repeatedly said we're Rajputs with an 18th or 19th century Iranian ancestor, but not so sure the admixture supports that ...

    In relation to Mom/Khala, I had a chat with my Naani and she said the only known heritage is Potohari/AJK (Awan/Rajput)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I assume thats unscaled, his IVC source is akin to what I have seen in the more AASi shifted Baloch ie more Iran_N richer (1456/1466/Gonur2 like), and he needs what I assume would be Achaemenid/Parthian admixture and/or a more ANF enriched BMAC source like Sumbar or Sappali Tepe 2. I avoided using Hasanlu because that in itself is 30% TKM IA like.
    Yes, my mistake. The difference becomes a bit larger with scaled.

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    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Guys the search function on here is really cumbersome, could someone kindly post models for Kalash and Burusho? What exactly isolates these guys from everybody else and yet at the same time, will usually be the preferred majority component on g25 and admixture for SAs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    Guys the search function on here is really cumbersome, could someone kindly post models for Kalash and Burusho? What exactly isolates these guys from everybody else and yet at the same time, will usually be the preferred majority component on g25 and admixture for SAs?
    Burusho just have Tibeto-Burman related admixture which pulls them upwards you see it in Bahuns as well.


    "sample": "Burusho:Average",
    "distance": 0.6522,
    "Kohistani": 84,
    "Tibetan_Lhasa": 8.5,
    "Tajik_Rushan": 7.5


    Kalash are a bit drifted but they are definitely not like Burusho because they are by definition ANI ie heavy Zagrosian/Iran_N and elevated Steppe. Obviously, Rors make better Steppe proxies than Kalash but the issue with them is they have plenty of local ancestry and they have depressed Zagrosian/Iran_N compared to many populations.



    "sample": "Kalash:Average",
    "distance": 0.654,
    "Loebanr_IA": 74,
    "Aigyrzhal_BA": 13,
    "Corded_Ware": 13

    Kalash have excess Steppe ancestry + excess ancestry from some Aigryzhal like population. That Darra I Khur sample is not there but I remember they scored quite a bit of that from what I remember few years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Burusho just have Tibeto-Burman related admixture which pulls them upwards you see it in Bahuns as well.


    "sample": "Burusho:Average",
    "distance": 0.6522,
    "Kohistani": 84,
    "Tibetan_Lhasa": 8.5,
    "Tajik_Rushan": 7.5


    Kalash are a bit drifted but they are definitely not like Burusho because they are by definition ANI ie heavy Zagrosian/Iran_N and elevated Steppe. Obviously, Rors make better Steppe proxies than Kalash but the issue with them is they have plenty of local ancestry and they have depressed Zagrosian/Iran_N compared to many populations.



    "sample": "Kalash:Average",
    "distance": 0.654,
    "Loebanr_IA": 74,
    "Aigyrzhal_BA": 13,
    "Corded_Ware": 13

    Kalash have excess Steppe ancestry + excess ancestry from some Aigryzhal like population. That Darra I Khur sample is not there but I remember they scored quite a bit of that from what I remember few years ago.
    Do you think Kalash are a derivative of SPGT + additional incoming Indo Aryans? Or they just didn't mix with the BA2-BA3 cline "natives" as much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Burusho just have Tibeto-Burman related admixture which pulls them upwards you see it in Bahuns as well.


    "sample": "Burusho:Average",
    "distance": 0.6522,
    "Kohistani": 84,
    "Tibetan_Lhasa": 8.5,
    "Tajik_Rushan": 7.5


    Kalash are a bit drifted but they are definitely not like Burusho because they are by definition ANI ie heavy Zagrosian/Iran_N and elevated Steppe. Obviously, Rors make better Steppe proxies than Kalash but the issue with them is they have plenty of local ancestry and they have depressed Zagrosian/Iran_N compared to many populations.



    "sample": "Kalash:Average",
    "distance": 0.654,
    "Loebanr_IA": 74,
    "Aigyrzhal_BA": 13,
    "Corded_Ware": 13

    Kalash have excess Steppe ancestry + excess ancestry from some Aigryzhal like population. That Darra I Khur sample is not there but I remember they scored quite a bit of that from what I remember few years ago.
    Amazing, thank you. So this Kalash-like population is ancestral for most mainstream SAs but wouldn't be for the Balochi ancestry stream in me for example? Are Balochis considered a South Asian peoples then or 'greater Indian' in your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Do you think Kalash are a derivative of SPGT + additional incoming Indo Aryans? Or they just didn't mix with the BA2-BA3 cline "natives" as much?
    They seem to harbor 35-40% IVC ancestry, so thats plenty . I think they are descended from the earliest Indo Aryan groups , and we know they are genetically the same as Nuristanis, so I don't think they got additional Steppe ancestry. Also, their Steppe ancestry is more Corded Ware like, whereas Vedic bunch are clearly Srubna-Sintashta like. I think once those Fatyanovo samples are out we will have a clearer picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    They seem to harbor 35-40% IVC ancestry, so thats plenty . I think they are descended from the earliest Indo Aryan groups , and we know they are genetically the same as Nuristanis, so I don't think they got additional Steppe ancestry. Also, their Steppe ancestry is more Corded Ware like, whereas Vedic bunch are clearly Srubna-Sintashta like. I think once those Fatyanovo samples are out we will have a clearer picture.
    That reminds me. On this past group run of interior Indians, I had the second lowest Brahmin (Kush had the lowest) yet the highest South Central Asian (Kalash + Burusho): https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post494676

    It sounds like whatever steppe contribution I have may be mediated via more recent Central Asian Muslim migrants rather the subcontinental Brahmin source?

    Could you see which type of steppe group I have more affinity to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    Amazing, thank you. So this Kalash-like population is ancestral for most mainstream SAs but wouldn't be for the Balochi ancestry stream in me for example?
    No they are not ancestral, just synthetically one of the most West Eurasian because of harboring both elevated Steppe and Zagrosian ancestry. They are a bit drifted to be ancestral. There is no ANI in reality because those IVC samples are quite heterogeneous and some of them have a crap tonne of Iran_N so that demolished that notion . I don't know what you mean by mainstream but if you mean populations, like PJL D, Gujarati Patels, SI Agricultural castes, they are mainly descended from a combination of some IVC population and some tribal like one , not a Kalash one. The lack of L657 in Kalash as well the more Corded Ware like flavor in their Steppe ancestry excludes them.
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