None afaik but Kashmiri Muslims are definitely more diverse, the HW oracles via dnagenics are more accurate I find.Originally Posted by kpb
None afaik but Kashmiri Muslims are definitely more diverse, the HW oracles via dnagenics are more accurate I find.
Jatt1 (11-29-2020)
The user kpb has the same NE Asian, as the Gujarati Brahmin. While the Barcin admixture in Jurble sample and KPB are alike, with the 'Kashmiri Pandit' and 'Gujarati Brahmin' samples having an equal amount NE Asian. This underscores the diversity among the Kashmiri Pandit population as well, especially when you look at the distances between them.Jurble is different, well because he is not a Kashmiri Pandit so the point here is moot. Though, Jurble come to think of it now is quite superficially similar to many Gujarati Brahmins sans the Tibetan admixture.
sample: :Jurble
distance: 1.6419
Brahmin_Gujarat: 87
Alalakh_MLBA_o: 8
Chokhopani_2700BP: 4
Srubnaya_MLBA: 1
sample: Kashmiri Pandit:BR Kashmiri Pandit-1
distance: 1.8748
Brahmin_Gujarat: 70.5
Alalakh_MLBA_o: 22
Chokhopani_2700BP: 4
Srubnaya_MLBA: 3.5
Distance: 2.3732% / 0.02373184
Target: Kashmiri_Pandit
42.3 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
26.1 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
17.9 AASI_NW
10.1 MNG_Munkhkhairkhan_MBA_1
3.6 TUR_Barcin_N
Distance: 3.1490% / 0.03148958
Target: Jurble_scaled
39.9 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
21.9 AASI_NW
20.7 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
10.3 MNG_Munkhkhairkhan_MBA_1
7.2 TUR_Barcin_N
Distance: 2.8930% / 0.02893043
Target: Brahmin_Gujarat
40.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
24.7 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
23.8 AASI_NW
7.4 MNG_Munkhkhairkhan_MBA_1
4.1 TUR_Barcin_N
Distance: 2.5169% / 0.02516939
Target: KPB_Scaled
40.9 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
24.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
20.3 AASI_NW
7.3 TUR_Barcin_N
7.1 MNG_Munkhkhairkhan_MBA_1
Besides, its a moot point, including ancient and modern samples as admixture components for modeling a modern.
Gujarati Brahmins most definitely do not harbor any East Asian related admixture, along with most Northern Indian/Pakistani populations, that is the rationale for excluding groups like Sakas and Huns as a Steppe source. That BA sample your using as a proxy for East Asian ancestry has significant West Eurasian ancestry in particular WSHG (30-40%), that's what is causing that component to be inflated.
sample: Brahmin Gujarat:Average
distance: 1.7862
Ganj_Dareh_N • Average: 42.5
Simulated_AASI_by_DMXX • Average: 28.5
Sidelkino_HG • Average: 13.5
Barcin_N • Average: 10
Tyumen_HG • Average: 5.5
Chokhopani_2700BP • Average: 0
FrostAssassin0701 (11-29-2020), Jatt1 (11-29-2020)
On most models I do score some Chokhopani (2-3%), don't know how significant that would be though. I replaced the NE Asian source in Rahul's model with Chokhopani and here it seems to become a bit inflated:
Target: KB_scaled
Distance: 2.6744% / 0.02674386
39.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
28.4 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA
23.6 NW_AASI_Sim_Avg
6.2 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
2.2 TUR_Barcin_N
With your model:
Target: KB_scaled
Distance: 1.9610% / 0.01961015
43.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
23.6 NW_AASI_Sim_Avg
15.6 RUS_Sidelkino_HG
10.8 TUR_Barcin_N
4.4 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
2.6 RUS_Tyumen_HG
“Some of you say, “Joy is greater than sorrow,” and others say, “Nay, sorrow is the greater.”
But I say unto you, they are inseparable.
Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.”
― Khalil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923
Thats because AASI NW is not sufficient enough to account for intraspecific variation between AASI, thats why DMXX formulated the newer one. I am not a fan of using Steppe MLBA in a distal analysis because it eats up all the ANF.
sample: KB
distance: 2.0963
Ganj_Dareh_N: 42.5
Simulated_AASI_by_DMXX: 29
Tyumen_HG: 5
Barcin_N: 9.5
Chokhopani_2700BP: 0
sample: GB
distance: 1.7786
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3: 65
Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA: 20
Dzharkutan1_BA: 15
CG_IVCp: 0
Last edited by pegasus; 11-29-2020 at 01:15 PM.
DgidguBidgu (11-30-2020), FrostAssassin0701 (11-29-2020), Jatt1 (11-29-2020), Kirtan24 (11-29-2020), Sapporo (11-29-2020)
The components are not adding up to a 100, no? They only make up 86%
“Some of you say, “Joy is greater than sorrow,” and others say, “Nay, sorrow is the greater.”
But I say unto you, they are inseparable.
Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.”
― Khalil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923
laltota (12-04-2020)
This is what I get on Genoplot (default penalty on)
sample: Kirtan24:MyHeritageSample
distance: 2.9011
Ganj_Dareh_N: 42.5
Simulated_AASI_by_DMXX: 28.5
Barcin_N: 15
Tyumen_HG: 12.5
Chokhopani_2700BP: 1.5
“Some of you say, “Joy is greater than sorrow,” and others say, “Nay, sorrow is the greater.”
But I say unto you, they are inseparable.
Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.”
― Khalil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923
EHG got cut off when I was copying
sample: GB
distance: 2.0974
Ganj_Dareh_N: 42.5
Simulated_AASI_by_DMXX: 29
Sidelkino_HG: 14
Barcin_N: 9.5
Tyumen_HG: 5
What do I need to add here bro? All I could think of was Iberian WHG cuz that pops up in excess strangely.
With all DMXX's sims [SPGT/SiSBA3/South]
pegasusdistalmodel1.PNG
Minus the South-South sim average:
pegasusdistalmodel2.PNG
Last edited by ThaYamamoto; 11-30-2020 at 11:00 PM.
tipirneni (11-30-2020)
Don't you think that Simulated_AASI_by_DMXX inflates the AASI a little bit (3-4%)? This is what Kashmiri Pandit average scores on Genoplot (penalty off) with this particular model:
sample: Kashmiri Pandit:Average
distance: 1.8314
Ganj_Dareh_N: 31
Simulated_AASI_by_DMXX: 25.5
Sidelkino_HG: 9
Barcin_N: 20
Tyumen_HG: 14.5
penalty on:
sample: Kashmiri Pandit:Average
distance: 2.9794
Ganj_Dareh_N: 45
Simulated_AASI_by_DMXX: 23.5
Barcin_N: 15
Tyumen_HG: 8.5
Sidelkino_HG: 8
On other models the AASI for KPs limits itself to 20-21%. For me it has typically been at 24-26%. Or am I reading too much into it?
Some other groups (penalty on):
sample: Brahmin Gujarat:Average
distance: 2.1267
Ganj_Dareh_N: 40.5
Simulated_AASI_by_DMXX: 30
Barcin_N: 14
Tyumen_HG: 9.5
Sidelkino_HG: 6
sample: Bihar Brahmin Bhumihar:mean
distance: 3.1936
Ganj_Dareh_N: 36.5
Simulated_AASI_by_DMXX: 30
Barcin_N: 15
Tyumen_HG: 13
Sidelkino_HG: 5.5
sample: Brahmin Uttar Pradesh:Average
distance: 3.2536
Ganj_Dareh_N: 35.5
Simulated_AASI_by_DMXX: 34.5
Barcin_N: 12
Tyumen_HG: 10.5
Sidelkino_HG: 7.5
Last edited by Kirtan24; 11-30-2020 at 10:35 AM.
“Some of you say, “Joy is greater than sorrow,” and others say, “Nay, sorrow is the greater.”
But I say unto you, they are inseparable.
Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.”
― Khalil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923
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