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Thread: L47* (Z159+, DYS438=11) - The "Ivanhoe Cluster"

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    Update: According to further testing with FamilyTreeDNA, I am in Haplogroup R-L44...

    testing positive for the following SNPs: Z381+ U106+ L48+ L47+ L44+ FGC6183+;

    and negative for the following
    SNPs: Z9487- Z9- Z8180- Z8179- Z8- Z350- Z326- Z191- Z18- Z17913- Z160- Z159- Z158- Z157- Z156- Y6463-
    Y6453- Y13229- U198- S9639- S9257- S8368- S6934- S6926- S6925- S6924- S6915- S3894- S3251- S3249-
    S20039- S1933- S1920- S18461- S17698- S16752- S16602- S1260- PH4355- M10145- L525- L493- L46- L45-

    Any other R-L44's out there with origins in England pre-1680's? Or any other Colegrove's taken the tests? I have found one other Colegrove who matches me on FTDNA, my closest y-dna match to date, but he's recently, sharing my 6x g-grandfather, born in the 1730's, as a match. Like to know where the R-L44 came from, how many of there of us are likely to exist, when the L44 mutation occured, if it is mostly found in certain areas of the world, linking back to any historical origins (e.g. Anglo-Saxons, before them, other historical migrations)? Thoughts?
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    Yeah, I'm also R1b U106 L48. I may also be L47 as a someone with my surname (who is probably a distant cousin) seems to be. My surname is Long and it probably was either Anglo-Irish or English coming from Yorkshire (or somewhere in the North of England).

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    R1b U106 L48 L47*

    I am R1b U106 L48 (surname Long of either Anglo-Irish or North English origin) and may also be L47 (a distant cousin with my surname is). Anyway, why is this called the "Ivanhoe Cluster"? It seems odd since it really seems to be more or a North German/Dutch/Frisian/Anglo-Saxon cluster, isn't that true? I know L48 clusters in Friesland/The Netherlands and England. Is L47 also found in significant numbers in those areas or is it more Jewish/Eastern European?

    -Nicholas Long
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    Quote Originally Posted by netnik808 View Post
    I am R1b U106 L48 (surname Long of either Anglo-Irish or North English origin) and may also be L47 (a distant cousin with my surname is). Anyway, why is this called the "Ivanhoe Cluster"? It seems odd since it really seems to be more or a North German/Dutch/Frisian/Anglo-Saxon cluster, isn't that true? I know L48 clusters in Friesland/The Netherlands and England. Is L47 also found in significant numbers in those areas or is it more Jewish/Eastern European?

    -Nicholas Long
    New Jersey
    The Ivanhoe cluster is still somewhat of a mystery. Their nearest neighbors are based in England and (surprisingly) Portugal, but almost everyone in the cluster appears in Eastern Europe. Charles Moore (the admin for the R-U106 Project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background) calls this a "donut hole". One possible explanation is an English lad moving to Eastern Europe and marrying a Jewish woman (which is where the name of the cluster came from).
    Gedmatch DNA: M032736 Gedcom: 6613110.
    Gedmatch Genesis: WH4547538
    co-administrator: Y-DNA R-U106 Haplogroup Project

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    Hi,

    I am interested to discover this thread and its intriguing content. I am DYS 438=12, 717=19, 462=11, but YCAlla=23 & 413=23 (FTDNA kit B271630). My subclade is R-FGC17304 via R1b U106 L47 Z159 S3251 FGC17298 BY41548 FGC17308 FGC17304.

    I would be grateful to read anyone's ideas as to where this fits in and any information about the group's migration and/or heritage.

    Thank you.
    Last edited by Ballumbie; 05-24-2018 at 04:57 PM.

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