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    Looking for Lee, M222 DF109 Clusters.

    I recently received my results from Living DNA. My yDNA shows R-M222, R-DF109. I believe My Great Grandfather was from Northwest Cork. I am looking for yDNA clusters to verify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Lee View Post
    I recently received my results from Living DNA. My yDNA shows R-M222, R-DF109. I believe My Great Grandfather was from Northwest Cork. I am looking for yDNA clusters to verify.
    I am DF109. My paternal line is from Offaly, and very heavily embedded in the Irish Midlands.

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    Dan,

    Have you only done testing with LivingDNA?

    DF109 as a clade is also known as DF105 (the two SNP's are phylogenetically equivalent eg. all DF105+ men so far tested are also DF109+ and vice-versa)

    DF105/DF109 makes up the vast bulk of all Irish M222+, probably on order of 80-90%

    It's also quite old probably dating to the late Iron age/Early Christian period. Dr. Iain McDonald calculated the following dating for when it arose/began to diversify:
    Clade\t Best guess (95% confidence interval)
    DF105 214 AD (90 BC — 466 AD)

    Here is a block tree made up of a couple hundred DF105+ men who have done BigY.
    http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php...564&star=false

    As can be seen there are several major branches. I'm not sure which if any are tested as part of LivingDNA. You would imagine given the M222 result and perhaps the surname (Lee can be a Galway surname) that origins in early medieval period are somewhat more northward of Cork. (M222 has it's lowest levels in Munster)
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    I have only done testing with Living DNA. I have found a Patrick Lee born 1847 in Templemolaga, Co. Cork. This could be my great grandfather. There is a Patrick Lee & Daniel Lee headstone in the graveyard at Labbamolaga. The dates on those headstones don't coincide with an 1847 birth. It could be the same family.


    That area is near the Cork/Limerick border.
    Last edited by Dan Lee; 05-15-2018 at 02:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Lee View Post
    I have only done testing with Living DNA. I have found a Patrick Lee born 1847 in Templemolaga, Co. Cork. This could be my great grandfather. There is a Patrick Lee & Daniel Lee headstone in the graveyard at Labbamolaga. The dates on those headstones don't coincide with an 1847 birth. It could be the same family.


    That area is near the Cork/Limerick border.
    Well there is definetly a cluster in North Cork from looking at the Griffith Survey data from

    https://www.johngrenham.com/findasur...hp?surname=Lee
    https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish...rk&surname=Lee
    https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish...h=Templemolaga

    In most studies M222 is rare enough in Munster, for example here's a map built on data that was in IrelandsDNA/ScotlandsDNA database:


    Ideally you need to find out what sub-branch of M222 you belong to, as some of these have geographic biases when it comes to surnames found in them. Does Living DNA give you a tree and result for any of sub-branches of M222? (I'm not familiar with their interface). In general I would recommend doing a Y-DNA test at FTDNA, and then follow it up with for example the M222 SNP bundle etc.
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    Here is my Phylogenic Tree from Living DNA.

    Fatherline Phylogenetic Tree
    ROOTA00A0-TA0A1A1*A1aA1bA1b*A1b1BTBCTDECFCFF*F1F2F3GHIJKGHIJ KHIJKIJKK*LTK(xLT)K(xLT)*K-M2335K-P261K-P402MP-M1205MP-M1205*K-P397PQRR*R-Y482R-Y482*R1R1*R1aR1bR1b*R1b1R1b1*R1b1bR1b1cR1b1aR-L389R-L389*R-P297R-P297*R-M478R-M269R-M269*R-PF7562R-L23R-Z2103R-L51R-L51*R-Z2111R-L151R-L151*R-S1200R-U106R-P312R-P312*R-Y17221R-DF99R-Z2244R-DF19R-U152R-DF27R-L21R-DF1R-L21*R-Y16251R-DF63R-DF13R-CTS2457.2R-L195R-L679R-S1051R-Y9090R-S1026R-Y14049R-Y15071R-Y9097R-L371R-Y16233R-CTS1751R-Y5305R-FGC11134R-Z255R-Z251R-L1335R-DF21R-Z253R-CTS2501R-Z39589R-DF49R-Z2980R-Z2976R-DF23R-Z2961R-M222R-S568R-M222*R-Y3454R-PF1169R-Y2841R-DF106R-S588R-DF85R-Y3644R-A259R-DF104R-DF109YouR-Z2970R-L238R-V1636R2P1

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    Hope they bring in the autosomal matching facility soon

    I am walled on my mtDNA and Lee from Cork (I think) is one of my 'possibles'

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    I have a .CSV file with my complete yDNA sequence. How can I link or upload it?

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    Here is the birth record for Patrick Lee. The Lees in East & West Labamologga in 1901 could be siblings or cousins. It's interesting that Patrick Lee was born there, he does not show up in there 1901. My great Grandfather appeared in Philadelphia, PA in 1870. No record of parents names, or place of birth except Ireland.


    Name: Patrick Lee Date of Birth:
    Date of Baptism:12-Mar-1847Address:Labamologga Parish/District: KILDORRERY Gender: Male County Co. Cork
    Denomination: Roman Catholic
    Father: William Lee Mother: Bridget Flyn Occupation:
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    Informant 1:Mary Flyn
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    My maternal grandfather is an M222+ Lee and coincidentally also from Philly. But he's also A259+ and it looks like LivingDNA tests for that. I assume you're not A259 then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Lee View Post
    My great Grandfather appeared in Philadelphia, PA in 1870. No record of parents names, or place of birth except Ireland.
    I would strongly caution against jumping to any conclusions if you don't know anything about his family or specific origins. Records that far back are incomplete and prone to poor transcription. Patrick Lee would be a pretty common name I'm sure a number of Patrick Lees were born around that time. You really need more info before attempting to locate a baptism record in Ireland.
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