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    Modeling Jatts and other South Asians based on Haryana Jatts

    Figured this could use its own thread.

    Refer to this post: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post394769

    Results:

    "distance%=1.2012"

    HRP0402 (Pakistani/Pahari West Punjabi Jatt - Gondal, from Gujrat)

    Balochi,58.2
    Jatt_Haryana,29.8
    Piramalai_SouthIndia,11.6
    Maasai_Africa,0.4

    ----

    "distance%=0.5957"

    HRP0393 (Haryana Jatt)

    Jatt_Haryana,80.2
    Balochi,7
    Piramalai_SouthIndia,5.2
    Brahmin_NorthIndia,4.6
    NE-Europe,1.6
    Amerindian,0.6
    Maasai_Africa,0.6
    Somalia_E-Africa,0.2

    -----

    "distance%=0.9512"

    HRP0341 (Punjabi Jatt Sikh) (Sapporo)

    Balochi,52.2
    Jatt_Haryana,39.4
    Piramalai_SouthIndia,4.4
    Brahmin_NorthIndia,3
    Amerindian,1

    ----

    "distance%=0.9864"

    DLuffy (Punjabi Tarkhan/Ramgarhia)

    Jatt_Haryana,39.2
    Balochi,28.2
    Brahmin_NorthIndia,15.8
    Piramalai_SouthIndia,14.6
    Amerindian,1.6
    Brahmin_Nepal,0.6

    ----

    Further admixed Jatts:

    "distance%=0.5837"

    HRP0349's Father (Punjabi Jatt Muslim from Faisalabad)

    Balochi,30
    Jatt_Haryana,27.6
    Brahmin_Nepal,15
    Paniya_SouthIndia,11.6
    Piramalai_SouthIndia,6.6
    Iranian,6.2
    Amerindian,2.4
    Eastern_Europe,0.6

    ---

    "distance%=0.6967"

    Unnamed Punjabi Jatt Muslim from Faisalabad (from HRP0349's ancestral village also, ANE 30.16, ASE 18.61, WHG-UHG 4.63, East_Eurasian 3.54, West_African 0.22, East_African 2.93, ENF 39.91)

    Balochi,36.2
    Piramalai_SouthIndia,29.2
    Jatt_Haryana,26.8
    Brahmin_NorthIndia,7.6
    Amerindian,0.2

    ---

    "distance%=0.8577"

    Punjabi Arain

    Balochi,88.8
    North_Caucasus,6
    Jatt_Haryana,2.8
    Maasai_Africa,2.2
    Amerindian,0.2

    Here's a spreadsheet of some ANE K7 results:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Mo/edit#gid=22
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    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494) (FTDNA Kit 311047), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29) (FTDNA Kit 329181))

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    Another one

    "distance%=0.2388"

    Punjabi Jatt Muslim from Faisalabad (cousin to HRP0349's family and the other unnamed cousin above)

    Balochi,28.6
    Jatt_Haryana,22.6
    Piramalai_SouthIndia,19
    Brahmin_Nepal,10.2
    Paniya_SouthIndia,8
    Brahmin_NorthIndia,5.8
    Iranian,2.8
    Amerindian,1.4
    North_Caucasus,1.2
    Maasai_Africa,0.4


    I think the broken results for my group reflects mixing with some kind of Kashmiri-like Brahmin group. Like, Punjabi/Himachal/East Pahari/Kashmiri groups. Though the Kashmiri Pandits generally get more East Eurasian, some of us are up there.


    "distance%=0.3661"

    Kashmiri Pandit

    Balochi,36.4
    Jatt_Haryana,28.4
    Brahmin_NorthIndia,12.2
    Piramalai_SouthIndia,10.6
    Amerindian,3.8
    Paniya_SouthIndia,3.4
    Brahmin_Nepal,3.2
    Tajik_S-CentralAsia,1
    Iranian,0.8
    Volga-Ural,0.2
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494) (FTDNA Kit 311047), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29) (FTDNA Kit 329181))

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    It looks like more South Indian like admixture is present in northern India near northern Pakistan to Uttar Pradesh, and in the mountainous/Himalayan areas. This is less in the southern Indus region near Balochistan.

    Then a group of Steppe-admixed people mixed on top of that layer. So depending on where your pre-Indo-Aryan ancestry was from, your AASI/ASE-type admixture and East Eurasian-type admixture and Baloch/Iranian/CentralAsian/BMAC type admixture will vary, but then that layer on top can be proxied pretty well by Haryana Jatts.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494) (FTDNA Kit 311047), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29) (FTDNA Kit 329181))

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    [1] "3. RESTRICTED nMONTE"
    [1] "Ncycles= 1000"
    ANE ASE WHG East_Eurasian W.African E.African ENF
    Me 23.960000 21.770000 1.730000 18.450000 0.730000 2.26000 31.100000
    fitted 23.850165 21.734005 1.833065 18.455785 0.138955 2.73582 31.128905
    dif -0.109835 -0.035995 0.103065 0.005785 -0.591045 0.47582 0.028905
    [1] "distance%=0.775 / distance=0.00775"


    Me
    Balochi 38.15
    Piramalai_SouthIndia 23.55
    Malay_SE-Asia 15.3
    Brahmin_Nepal 11.6
    Yakut_Siberia 11.4

    Ancestry DNA Ancients nMonte2 using McNinjas updated model

    [1] "3. RESTRICTED nMONTE"
    [1] "Ncycles= 1000"
    ANE ASE WHG East_Eurasian W.African E.African ENF
    Me 23.960000 21.77000 1.73000 18.450000 0.73000 2.26000 31.1000
    fitted 23.928175 21.74709 1.72411 18.425335 0.68507 2.22484 31.0739
    dif -0.031825 -0.02291 -0.00589 -0.024665 -0.04493 -0.03516 -0.0261
    [1] "distance%=0.0782 / distance=0.000782"


    Me
    HAP_S-Indian 28.75
    Iran_N 23.9
    Malay_SE-Asia 23.6
    Sarazm_EN 9.2
    W-Siberia-N 8.2
    Han_Chinese 4.3
    Amerindian 1.5
    CHG 0.55
    Iran_Chl 0
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    McNinja could you model me using your updated model bro, just PM me the results as its not relevant to this thread - interested in my Baloch levels lol if Jortita is scoring nearly 40

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    McNinja could you model me using your updated model bro, just PM me the results as its not relevant to this thread - interested in my Baloch levels lol if Jortita is scoring nearly 40
    I think 0.7 for this model is significant distance

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    Quote Originally Posted by jortita View Post
    I think 0.7 for this model is significant distance
    Nah the distance is actually really good, it's pretty close. If it was 0.7 then yea it's quite big but yours is 0.07.
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    Using the model:


    ANE ASE WHG East_Eurasian W.African E.African ENF
    khana 28.75000 15.380000 4.19000 4.1200 0.20000 2.790000 44.58000
    fitted 28.73103 15.367195 4.17574 4.1034 0.16015 2.777145 44.56545
    dif -0.01897 -0.012805 -0.01426 -0.0166 -0.03985 -0.012855 -0.01455
    [1] "distance%=0.0545 / distance=0.000545"

    khana

    "Balochi" 41.35

    "Brahmin_NorthIndia" 16.65

    "Piramalai_SouthIndia" 14.45

    "West_Caucasus" 8.7

    "Jatt_Haryana" 7.6

    "North_Caucasus" 3.3

    "Afghan_Pashtun" 3.1

    "Brahmin_Nepal" 2.85

    "Amerindian" 2



    ANE ASE WHG East_Eurasian W.African E.African ENF
    pUncle 29.76000 15.0700 2.08000 2.68000 0.00000 3.28000 47.14000
    fitted 29.13292 15.4486 2.27064 2.40472 0.23628 3.00896 47.28256
    dif -0.62708 0.3786 0.19064 -0.27528 0.23628 -0.27104 0.14256
    [1] "distance%=0.8935 / distance=0.008935"

    pUncle

    "Balochi" 83.6

    "Jatt_Haryana" 10

    "Piramalai_SouthIndia" 6.4




    ANE ASE WHG East_Eurasian W.African E.African ENF
    mGF Sister 29.28000 16.3200 2.180000 3.43000 0.00000 4.040000 44.750000
    fitted 29.01948 16.3344 2.170905 3.48004 0.18112 3.914255 44.735215
    dif -0.26052 0.0144 -0.009095 0.05004 0.18112 -0.125745 -0.014785
    [1] "distance%=0.3457 / distance=0.003457"

    mGF Sister

    "Balochi" 64

    "Brahmin_NorthIndia" 21.85

    "Piramalai_SouthIndia" 10.15

    "Jatt_Haryana" 1.75

    "Somalia_E-Africa" 1.35

    "Amerindian" 0.9





    ANE ASE WHG East_Eurasian W.African E.African ENF
    mGM- balq 28.310000 10.93000 12.5800 8.640000 0.44000 1.900000 37.210000
    fitted 28.323165 10.95826 12.6006 8.651825 0.32604 1.855375 37.230775
    dif 0.013165 0.02826 0.0206 0.011825 -0.11396 -0.044625 0.020775
    [1] "distance%=0.1302 / distance=0.001302"


    mGM- balq

    "Jatt_Haryana" 26.55

    "Balochi" 24.35

    "Brahmin_Nepal" 12.5

    "Iranian" 10.85

    "Amerindian" 9.8

    "Tajik_S-CentralAsia" 6.3

    "Eastern_Europe" 6.1

    "French" 3.55




    ANE ASE WHG East_Eurasian W.African E.African ENF
    mGM Brother 26.69000 10.230000 13.89000 12.410000 0.38000 1.860000 34.550000
    fitted 26.69422 10.232105 13.89197 12.415845 0.31008 1.876535 34.556555
    dif 0.00422 0.002105 0.00197 0.005845 -0.06992 0.016535 0.006555
    [1] "distance%=0.0726 / distance=0.000726"


    mGM Brother

    "Jatt_Haryana" 15.55

    "Iranian" 12.75

    "Tajik_S-CentralAsia" 11.85

    "Amerindian" 9.8

    "Brahmin_Nepal" 8.95

    "Paniya_SouthIndia" 8.9

    "Balochi" 8.25

    "Eastern_Europe" 5.35

    "Volga-Ural" 4.4

    "Turkish" 3.85

    "French" 2.75

    "Bengali" 2.1

    "Uygur_CentralAsia" 2

    "North_Caucasus" 1.9

    "Yakut_Siberia" 1.1

    "NorthSea_Europe" 0.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by jortita View Post
    I think 0.7 for this model is significant distance
    It's pretty believable Jortita, consistent with some of your other calc results, you gotta accept your Indian genes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowed View Post
    Is khana kho? Kho people really need to be tested. One of the oldest indo aryan groups. I heard just 500 years ago they use to practice some original form of vedic hinduism, very different from modern indian hinduism
    I think he's one quarter Kho. I agree, the Kho do genetically look a lot like that Indo-Aryan introductory pop that diffused across the North

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