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Thread: The genetic prehistory of the Greater Caucasus[preprint Harvard/Jena]

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    Steppe Maykop samples with the Kennewick Man affinity had the East Asian EDAR alleles.

    The assertion in bold is also quite shocking and puzzling.
    We were surprised to discover that Steppe Maykop individuals from the eastern desert steppes harboured a distinctive ancestry component that relates them to Upper Palaeolithic Siberian individuals (AG3, MA1) and Native Americans. This is exemplified by the more commonly East Asian features such as the derived EDAR allele, which has also been observed in EHG from Karelia and Scandinavian hunter gatherers (SHG). The additional affinity to East Asians suggests that this ancestry does not derive directly from Ancestral North Eurasians but from a yet-to-be identified ancestral population in north-central Eurasia with a wide distribution between the Caucasus, the Ural Mountains and the Pacific coast, of which we have discovered the so far southwestern-most and also youngest (e.g. the Lola culture individual) genetic representative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tag Heuer View Post
    It's not that cold here, now it's like +7C, and +15C during the day. Interesting article btw.
    Caucasus is the most magnificent place on Earth! More magical than my native homeland. And I should know that, since I was born in the Caucasus and I'm very proud of it!

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    Code:
    Sample	Site	Age, BP	Culture	mtDNA	Y-DNA	
    				
    AY2001.A0101.TF1.1	Aygurskiy 2	5271.5	Steppe Maykop	T2e	
    AY2003.A0101.TF1.1	Aygurskiy 2	5455.5	Steppe Maykop	H2a1	
    MK3003.A0101		Marinskaya 3	4476.5	Catacomb	U4a2	
    MK5012.A0101		Marinskaya 5	4663.5	Catacomb	U5a1b1e	?
    RK4002.B0101		Rasshevatskiy 4	4610.0	Catacomb	U4d3	R1b1a2
    RK4001.A0101		Rasshevatskiy 4	4277.0	Catacomb	U5a1i	R1b1a2
    SA6003.B0101		Sharakhalsun 6	4292.5	Catacomb	U2e3a	R1b1a2
    I6278	Shepsi	5200.0	Dolmen BA	T1a2	..
    I6281	Shepsi	5200.0	Dolmen BA	U2e1	..
    I2051	Marchenkova Gora, D13	3260.0	Dolmen LBA	H6a1a2a	J
    I2055	Unakozovskaya	6533.0	Eneolithic Caucasus	R1a	J
    I2056	Unakozovskaya	6477.5	Eneolithic Caucasus	R1a	J2a
    I1722	Unakozovskaya	6403.5	Eneolithic Caucasus	R1a	
    PG2001	Progress 2	6207.0	Eneolithic steppe	I3a	R1b1
    PG2004	Progress 2	6090.0	Eneolithic steppe	H2	R1b1
    VJ1001	Vonyuchka 1	6242.0	Eneolithic steppe	T2a1b	
    ARM001.A0101	Kaps	5329.5	Kura-Araxes	R1a1	
    ARM002.A0101; ARM003	Kaps	5148.0	Kura-Araxes	K3	G2b
    VEK006.A0101	Velikent	4850.0	Kura-Araxes	U4a2	
    VEK007.A0101; VEK009	Velikent	4850.0	Kura-Araxes	U4a2	J1
    VEK008.A0101	Velikent	4850.0	Kura-Araxes	U4a2	?
    MK5008.B0101	Marinskaya 5	5185.5	Late Maykop	T1a2	?
    MK5004	Marinskaya 5	5171.0	Late Maykop	T2al	L
    MK5001	Marinskaya 5	5141.5	Late Maykop	K1a4	L
    SIJ003.A0101	Sinyukha	5174.0	Late Maykop	U4c1	
    SIJ002.A0101	Sinyukha	5173.5	Late Maykop	U4c1	L
    SIJ001.A01(SA6002.A01)	Sinyukha	5125.5	Late Maykop	U4c1	
    KBD001	Kabardinka	4036.5	Late North Caucasus	I4a	R1b1a2
    KBD002.A0101	Kabardinka	4057.0	Late North Caucasus	W1+119	
    NV3001	Nevinnomiskiy 3	3970.5	Lola	R1b	Q1a2
    I1720	Baksanenok	5300.0	Maykop	HV	?
    MK5007.B0101	Marinskaya 5	5455.0	Maykop	U5a1b1	
    OSS001.A0101	Nogir 3	5570.0	Maykop	J2a1	
    I6268	Klady	5564.0	Maykop Novosvobodnaya	R1a	J2a1
    I6267	Klady	5438.0	Maykop Novosvobodnaya	T2c1	
    I6270	Klady	5434.0	Maykop Novosvobodnaya	U1b	?
    I6266	Klady	5200.0	Maykop Novosvobodnaya	X2f	J2a1
    I6272	Dlinnaya Polyana	5200.0	Maykop Novosvobodnaya	U1b1	G2a2a
    KDC001.A0101	Kudachurt	3823.5	MBA North Caucasus	X2i	J2b
    KDC002.A0101	Kudachurt	3734.5	MBA North Caucasus	HV1a1	
    BU2001.A0101	Beliy Ugol 2	4674.0	North Caucasus		R1b1a2a2
    GW1001.A0101	Goryachevodskiy 2	4726.0	North Caucasus	U2e1b	R1b1a2a2
    I1723	Goryachevodskiy 2	4702.0	North Caucasus	U5b2a1a	R1b1a1a2a
    LYG001.A0101	Lysogorskaya 6	4672.0	North Caucasus	H13a1a2	R1b1a2
    MK5009.A0101	Marinskaya 5	4710.0	North Caucasus	R1a1a	R1b1a2
    PG2002.A0101	Progress 2	4362.5	North Caucasus	U1a1a3	
    RK1003.C0101	Rasshevatskiy 1	4750.5	North Caucasus	R1a1a	
    SA6001.A0101	Sharakhalsun 6	5444.0	Steppe Maykop	U7b	
    SA6004	Sharakhalsun 6	5170.5	Steppe Maykop	U7b	Q1a2
    IV3002.A0101	Ipatovo 3	5206.5	Steppe Maykop outlier	X1'2'3	?
    SA6013.B0101	Sharakhalsun 6	5180.0	Steppe Maykop outlier	I5b	R1
    RK1007.A0101	Rasshevatskiy 1	5123.0	Yamnaya Caucasus	T2a1	
    RK1001.C0101	Rasshevatskiy 1	4726.0	Yamnaya Caucasus	U5a1d	R1b1a2
    SA6010.A0101	Sharakhalsun 6	4731.5	Yamnaya Caucasus	U5a1g	?
    ZO2002.C0101	Zolotarevka 2	4850.0	Yamnaya Caucasus	U5a1+@16192

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    So Maykopians are mostly J and L
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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
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    Code:
    Sample	Site	Age, BP	Culture	mtDNA	Y-DNA	
    				
    AY2001.A0101.TF1.1	Aygurskiy 2	5271.5	Steppe Maykop	T2e	
    AY2003.A0101.TF1.1	Aygurskiy 2	5455.5	Steppe Maykop	H2a1	
    MK3003.A0101		Marinskaya 3	4476.5	Catacomb	U4a2	
    MK5012.A0101		Marinskaya 5	4663.5	Catacomb	U5a1b1e	?
    RK4002.B0101		Rasshevatskiy 4	4610.0	Catacomb	U4d3	R1b1a2
    RK4001.A0101		Rasshevatskiy 4	4277.0	Catacomb	U5a1i	R1b1a2
    SA6003.B0101		Sharakhalsun 6	4292.5	Catacomb	U2e3a	R1b1a2
    I6278	Shepsi	5200.0	Dolmen BA	T1a2	..
    I6281	Shepsi	5200.0	Dolmen BA	U2e1	..
    I2051	Marchenkova Gora, D13	3260.0	Dolmen LBA	H6a1a2a	J
    I2055	Unakozovskaya	6533.0	Eneolithic Caucasus	R1a	J
    I2056	Unakozovskaya	6477.5	Eneolithic Caucasus	R1a	J2a
    I1722	Unakozovskaya	6403.5	Eneolithic Caucasus	R1a	
    PG2001	Progress 2	6207.0	Eneolithic steppe	I3a	R1b1
    PG2004	Progress 2	6090.0	Eneolithic steppe	H2	R1b1
    VJ1001	Vonyuchka 1	6242.0	Eneolithic steppe	T2a1b	
    ARM001.A0101	Kaps	5329.5	Kura-Araxes	R1a1	
    ARM002.A0101; ARM003	Kaps	5148.0	Kura-Araxes	K3	G2b
    VEK006.A0101	Velikent	4850.0	Kura-Araxes	U4a2	
    VEK007.A0101; VEK009	Velikent	4850.0	Kura-Araxes	U4a2	J1
    VEK008.A0101	Velikent	4850.0	Kura-Araxes	U4a2	?
    MK5008.B0101	Marinskaya 5	5185.5	Late Maykop	T1a2	?
    MK5004	Marinskaya 5	5171.0	Late Maykop	T2al	L
    MK5001	Marinskaya 5	5141.5	Late Maykop	K1a4	L
    SIJ003.A0101	Sinyukha	5174.0	Late Maykop	U4c1	
    SIJ002.A0101	Sinyukha	5173.5	Late Maykop	U4c1	L
    SIJ001.A01(SA6002.A01)	Sinyukha	5125.5	Late Maykop	U4c1	
    KBD001	Kabardinka	4036.5	Late North Caucasus	I4a	R1b1a2
    KBD002.A0101	Kabardinka	4057.0	Late North Caucasus	W1+119	
    NV3001	Nevinnomiskiy 3	3970.5	Lola	R1b	Q1a2
    I1720	Baksanenok	5300.0	Maykop	HV	?
    MK5007.B0101	Marinskaya 5	5455.0	Maykop	U5a1b1	
    OSS001.A0101	Nogir 3	5570.0	Maykop	J2a1	
    I6268	Klady	5564.0	Maykop Novosvobodnaya	R1a	J2a1
    I6267	Klady	5438.0	Maykop Novosvobodnaya	T2c1	
    I6270	Klady	5434.0	Maykop Novosvobodnaya	U1b	?
    I6266	Klady	5200.0	Maykop Novosvobodnaya	X2f	J2a1
    I6272	Dlinnaya Polyana	5200.0	Maykop Novosvobodnaya	U1b1	G2a2a
    KDC001.A0101	Kudachurt	3823.5	MBA North Caucasus	X2i	J2b
    KDC002.A0101	Kudachurt	3734.5	MBA North Caucasus	HV1a1	
    BU2001.A0101	Beliy Ugol 2	4674.0	North Caucasus		R1b1a2a2
    GW1001.A0101	Goryachevodskiy 2	4726.0	North Caucasus	U2e1b	R1b1a2a2
    I1723	Goryachevodskiy 2	4702.0	North Caucasus	U5b2a1a	R1b1a1a2a
    LYG001.A0101	Lysogorskaya 6	4672.0	North Caucasus	H13a1a2	R1b1a2
    MK5009.A0101	Marinskaya 5	4710.0	North Caucasus	R1a1a	R1b1a2
    PG2002.A0101	Progress 2	4362.5	North Caucasus	U1a1a3	
    RK1003.C0101	Rasshevatskiy 1	4750.5	North Caucasus	R1a1a	
    SA6001.A0101	Sharakhalsun 6	5444.0	Steppe Maykop	U7b	
    SA6004	Sharakhalsun 6	5170.5	Steppe Maykop	U7b	Q1a2
    IV3002.A0101	Ipatovo 3	5206.5	Steppe Maykop outlier	X1'2'3	?
    SA6013.B0101	Sharakhalsun 6	5180.0	Steppe Maykop outlier	I5b	R1
    RK1007.A0101	Rasshevatskiy 1	5123.0	Yamnaya Caucasus	T2a1	
    RK1001.C0101	Rasshevatskiy 1	4726.0	Yamnaya Caucasus	U5a1d	R1b1a2
    SA6010.A0101	Sharakhalsun 6	4731.5	Yamnaya Caucasus	U5a1g	?
    ZO2002.C0101	Zolotarevka 2	4850.0	Yamnaya Caucasus	U5a1+@16192
    Thank you friend.


    @ms85

    Not sure why you're still trolling because you're 100% wrong on R1b in the south Caucasus. Not sure what exactly you're celebrating. After reading the paper, they suggest a basal form of something "CHG" like was spread north to Yamnaya prior to many additional admixture events into the north Caucasus much later from the Middle Eastern region. This theory seems to align to European admixture and would explain why Europeans aren't related to the bulk of the core west Asian ancestry package.
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    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms85 View Post
    Wait a minute, I see R1a1 in Kura Araxes and Maykop, besides all those J2, G2 and R1b rappers ! And also mtDNA HV1. My maternal line is ALSO mtDNA HV1.

    This is such a glorious day for me. After all those years, VICTORY!
    Kura-Araxes has mtDNA R1a1.

    There is no Y-DNA R1a or R1b in Maykop or in any of the Caucasus groups. R1b is found in the new samples, but only in the steppe cultures.

    Seriously though, can someone ban this serial spammer? This part of the forum has turned into a joke since he's shown up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    Thank you friend.


    @ms85

    Not sure why you're still trolling because you're 100% wrong on R1b in the south Caucasus.
    I was talking about R1a, my friend. My paternal Y-DNA is R1a*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ms85 View Post
    Wait a minute, I see R1a1 in Kura Araxes and Maykop, besides all those J2, G2 and R1b rappers ! And also mtDNA HV1. My maternal line is ALSO mtDNA HV1.


    This is such a glorious day for me. After all those years, VICTORY!
    Dude.... the R1a1 showing in Kura-Araxes and Maykop is mtdna.

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