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    I've looked all over for the origin of my SNP I-Z17926. The updated Eupedia doesn't seem to have anything on it. I found one post in the FTDNA forum about it but I couldn't post to ask a question. There doesn't seem to be many of us out there and I'm starting to feel a little lonely. I've tested up to 67 markers but have no matches beyond 12 so I don't see the point in further y testing.

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    Z17926 is phyloequivalent with S2320 on the YFull tree - you can see that branch here https://yfull.com/tree/I-S2320/ - this will show you several people who have taken Big Y or equivalent to determine some of the known downstream branches. You can also follow the breadcrumbs at the top to trace the route back to the I1 parent branch. It looks like this falls under I-Z17954, and so would be negative for DF29. So far out of the I1 folks tested, greater than 99% are positive for DF29. That may explain why you don't have many STR matches as it's pretty rare. There is a I1-Z17954(xDF29) project at FTDNA which you could join your STR results to here https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/i1-z131y-dna/about - doesn't seem to have a lot of people in the project (75 people), which again speaks to the rarity. It does include the email address for the project admin, so it may be worth contacting him for advice.

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    Interesting you're a non-DF29 I1, that makes you pretty unique on the forums you might be the first. What's your paternal background? Cuz I'm under the assumption that the negative for DF29s are only found in Finland or that area ? I'm not sure though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    Interesting you're a non-DF29 I1, that makes you pretty unique on the forums you might be the first. What's your paternal background? Cuz I'm under the assumption that the negative for DF29s are only found in Finland or that area ? I'm not sure though.
    No, it's me, the first one!

    I live in Villeurbanne, near Lyon. My oldest known paternal ancestor was born in Saint-Etienne, southwest of Lyon.

    Z17926 from the Bronze Age. He certainly spread to Western Europe when the Indo-Europeans passed. In this case, it is a celtised I1. But nothing is 100% sure.

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    FTDNA => 67 % West and Central Europe - 18 % South Europe - 14 % East Europe - < 1 % North and Central America

    V2 K15 (Average France) => North Sea : 27.46 (28.25) - Atlantic : 21.26 (26.05) - West Med : 19.05 (15.53) - Baltic : 9.17 (8.22) - Eastern Euro : 8.80 (6.32) - West Asian : 6.31 (4.66) - East Med : 4.85 (6.72) - Red Sea : 2.08 (2.83) - Amerindian : 1.02 (0.20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrz92@hotmail.com View Post
    I've looked all over for the origin of my SNP I-Z17926. The updated Eupedia doesn't seem to have anything on it. I found one post in the FTDNA forum about it but I couldn't post to ask a question. There doesn't seem to be many of us out there and I'm starting to feel a little lonely. I've tested up to 67 markers but have no matches beyond 12 so I don't see the point in further y testing.
    Read my reply above.
    FTDNA => 67 % West and Central Europe - 18 % South Europe - 14 % East Europe - < 1 % North and Central America

    V2 K15 (Average France) => North Sea : 27.46 (28.25) - Atlantic : 21.26 (26.05) - West Med : 19.05 (15.53) - Baltic : 9.17 (8.22) - Eastern Euro : 8.80 (6.32) - West Asian : 6.31 (4.66) - East Med : 4.85 (6.72) - Red Sea : 2.08 (2.83) - Amerindian : 1.02 (0.20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lyonnist View Post
    No, it's me, the first one!

    I live in Villeurbanne, near Lyon. My oldest known paternal ancestor was born in Saint-Etienne, southwest of Lyon.

    Z17926 from the Bronze Age. He certainly spread to Western Europe when the Indo-Europeans passed. In this case, it is a celtised I1. But nothing is 100% sure.

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    My opinion is that all modern I1 originated in Scandinavia prior to the Indo European invasions. Maybe it was brought to Scandinavia earlier from Central/Eastern Europe during the late Neolithic. However, I think Southern Sweden would be the origin for your parent clade I-Z17954 since itís still found there today in addition to the 99% I-DF29. Not sure how your subclade got to Lyon but maybe with the Burgundians. A Germanic expansion from Southern Sweden makes more sense to me than a Celtic one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    My opinion is that all modern I1 originated in Scandinavia prior to the Indo European invasions. Maybe it was brought to Scandinavia earlier from Central/Eastern Europe during the late Neolithic. However, I think Southern Sweden would be the origin for your parent clade I-Z17954 since it’s still found there today in addition to the 99% I-DF29. Not sure how your subclade got to Lyon but maybe with the Burgundians. A Germanic expansion from Southern Sweden makes more sense to me than a Celtic one.
    I agree with you on Scandinavia. It makes sense given the prevalence in southern Sweden today. I remember reading somewhere that Denmark is a contender because it shows the most diversity today so I1 has had longest to develop there. I also remember Jean M writing somewhere on this site that the Hungary Neolithic sample would be from a now extinct clade separate from the expansion that led to the current lines. I'm only a DNA layman and any views/opinions welcome. I like the idea of a Celtic I1 though!
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    My opinion is that all modern I1 originated in Scandinavia prior to the Indo European invasions. Maybe it was brought to Scandinavia earlier from Central/Eastern Europe during the late Neolithic. However, I think Southern Sweden would be the origin for your parent clade I-Z17954 since itís still found there today in addition to the 99% I-DF29. Not sure how your subclade got to Lyon but maybe with the Burgundians. A Germanic expansion from Southern Sweden makes more sense to me than a Celtic one.
    I was talking about the expansion to England and France.

    Sweden > Germany

    Then, at the passage of the Celts:

    Germany > France and England
    FTDNA => 67 % West and Central Europe - 18 % South Europe - 14 % East Europe - < 1 % North and Central America

    V2 K15 (Average France) => North Sea : 27.46 (28.25) - Atlantic : 21.26 (26.05) - West Med : 19.05 (15.53) - Baltic : 9.17 (8.22) - Eastern Euro : 8.80 (6.32) - West Asian : 6.31 (4.66) - East Med : 4.85 (6.72) - Red Sea : 2.08 (2.83) - Amerindian : 1.02 (0.20)

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    Family immigrated to the US from Weimar, Germany (Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach. Lutheran/Evangelisch church records go 1610 in Bad Sulza a short distance from Weimar.

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    Thanks for the reply. There is a project at ftdna whih deals with this subclade. I joined it this summer.

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