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    So, he doesn't have the typical Arab/Jewish type, and he doesn't have the typical Caucasus type.

    Does he have a result for this one?

    rs376267849 16227302 CTS5368/Z2215

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    J1 -PF7263 (BY38105)
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    Yes! It's A.

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    Well, we might as well finish Armando's list and then think about what we've got.

    What are his results for these?

    i4000205 14487338 P56
    i706857 14487338 P56
    rs776291331 19136821 L818/S4972
    rs201301961 6932106 L816

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    We were not as lucky this time...The first one is not listed at all (under any name) and the other three are listed but their genotype is not determined...:-(

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    OK then. Let's see what we've been able to squeeze out of his 23andMe results.

    On this page, look at the simplified J1 tree. https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...A.shtml#others

    23andMe told you he was M267. That's the top box.

    Then your investigation put him in Z2215, one level down.

    Then your investigation showed he does not belong to Z8128 or P58. So we can cross out those two branches.

    Not much left there. P56 is a southern branch, not likely for a Greek. M365 is a very small branch thought to have been carried to Portugal by Avars or something. No previous cases found in the Mediterranean.

    Sorry I can't narrow this down any further for you. Retesting with Family Tree DNA might help, but it gets expensive with the add-on tests, and it seems to take forever.

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    Thank you very much! This is all so interesting! So at least now we know that he is Z2215 or else J1a? I do know that Greece was invaded by Avaro-slavs during the early Middle Ages but I don't know if this can be related in any way. The islands and the coastal areas were also subjected to raids, mostly by Arab pirates. So who knows? Only testing further would help indeed but it does get expensive and I am not sure if I would do it, at least for now. Once again, thank you so much for your help!!!

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    Use this tool https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal, upload your raw data and it will try and find your subclade
    Ftdna MyOrigins 2.0: 100% SE European

    23andme: 100% Balkan

    Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian

    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    Thank you, Kelmendasi, I will look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Use this tool https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal, upload your raw data and it will try and find your subclade
    That does something similar that J1 DYS388=13 and I did. It just looks for the result of the tested SNPs but it doesn't always report all negative SNPs and no-calls. The 23andme v5 test has all of the same SNPs in it's list of tested SNPs for all customers so the Morley tool isn't going to find any other SNPs that are current. That tool at times has an incorrect prediction because it uses a tree from 2013 which has SNPs that were unreliable.

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    I did a little digging. I found this Pontic & Anatolian Greeks DNA page https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults which shows most of the J1 people to be positive for Z1828 which is downstream from Z2215.

    Z2217 is tested by the J1-M267 Superclade Panel at https://www.yseq.net/product_info.ph...ducts_id=30693

    I suggest getting that panel to find the most downstream subclade that the panel tests for.
    Last edited by ArmandoR1b; 06-03-2018 at 12:39 AM.

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