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    Heatmaps for I2a1 subclades

    Heatmap map for I2a1b2<CTS10228<S17250<Y5596 (BY128):

    Y5596New.png

    and for its subclade A815:
    A815New.png
     
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    Baltic 8.7%
    Grenzmark 0.94
    Czechs 0.93,
    Hungary 0.91
    Volhyn 0.91,
    C. Rusyns 0.91
    Slovenia 0.91
    Czech 1.79
    Hungarian 2.02
    Slovenian 2.07
    Croatian 2.39
    Ukrainian 3.01
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    Where did you find this heatmap?
    Is there one for I1a3(Z63)? I can't find a frequency map of it anywhere I'd like to know where it's the most common. On Ftdna it shows the most dots in Germany-Poland region and as far east as Volga and Lebanon. I'd post the image of it but I'm using the phone.

    Interesting your subclade has a dark hot spot in NW Caucasus there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    Where did you find this heatmap?
    Is there one for I1a3(Z63)? I can't find a frequency map of it anywhere I'd like to know where it's the most common. On Ftdna it shows the most dots in Germany-Poland region and as far east as Volga and Lebanon. I'd post the image of it but I'm using the phone.

    Interesting your subclade has a dark hot spot in NW Caucasus there.
    They are the Kabaroi/Kabars/Qabars/Qavars.

    http://acta.bibl.u-szeged.hu/48855/1...12_003-022.pdf

    The earlier source is the Annals of Salzburg (Annales Iuvavenses Maximi), which
    recorded at the year 881 an eclipse of the sun, then two wars (battles?) on the territory
    of Ostmark (today: Austria) belonging to the Eastern Frankish Empire: "The
    first war [was] with the Hungarians [cum Ungris] at Wenia. The second war [was]
    with the Qabars [cum Cowans] at Culmite."1 This source referred to a raid of the
    Hungarians (Magyars) and their ally, the Qabars/Qavars, who "fought on separate
    fronts and in separate units" during the same campaign.2
    The second source contains a brief and concise history "of the nation of the Kabaroi"
    in chapter 39 of De administrando imperio (henceforth: DAI) compiled from
    different sources around 948-952 in the name and order of Emperor Constantine
    VII (944-959).3 After the compulsory preliminary notes "it is worth knowing"4 this
    chapter enumerates the following data: "The so-called Kabaroi were of the race of
    the Chazars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    Where did you find this heatmap?
    Is there one for I1a3(Z63)? I can't find a frequency map of it anywhere I'd like to know where it's the most common. On Ftdna it shows the most dots in Germany-Poland region and as far east as Volga and Lebanon. I'd post the image of it but I'm using the phone.

    Interesting your subclade has a dark hot spot in NW Caucasus there.
    I did not find it. I made it.
    Hot spot in Caucasus are the Karachays, a small Turkic community. Their several clans belong to I-A815 group.
     
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    Balkan 34.4%
    Scandinavia 21.2%
    Baltic 8.7%
    Grenzmark 0.94
    Czechs 0.93,
    Hungary 0.91
    Volhyn 0.91,
    C. Rusyns 0.91
    Slovenia 0.91
    Czech 1.79
    Hungarian 2.02
    Slovenian 2.07
    Croatian 2.39
    Ukrainian 3.01
    East Europe 99%
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    I did not find it. I made it.
    Hot spot in Caucasus are the Karachays, a small Turkic community. Their several clans belong to I-A815 group.
    Mind sharing the sources? I hope you have some interesting useful source other than Eupedia cuz that seems to be the only one. Wikipedia doesn't have much either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    Mind sharing the sources? I hope you have some interesting useful source other than Eupedia cuz that seems to be the only one. Wikipedia doesn't have much either.
    There are several resources, but unfortunately some are down like semargl.me or ysearch.com as a result of the EU General Data Protection Regulation.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/i1/
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
     
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    Slovenian 6.25%
    Unknown 6.25%
    E. Europe 35.7%
    Balkan 34.4%
    Scandinavia 21.2%
    Baltic 8.7%
    Grenzmark 0.94
    Czechs 0.93,
    Hungary 0.91
    Volhyn 0.91,
    C. Rusyns 0.91
    Slovenia 0.91
    Czech 1.79
    Hungarian 2.02
    Slovenian 2.07
    Croatian 2.39
    Ukrainian 3.01
    East Europe 99%
    Trace 1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    There are several resources, but unfortunately some are down like semargl.me or ysearch.com as a result of the EU General Data Protection Regulation.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/i1/
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
    Thanks for posting the ftdna I1 and Z63 charts. But those don't help much in figuring out the origins of that haplogroup. As you can see people from all kinds of backgrounds and countries are in those charts. The most common ones are English or British Isles but probably because people of English background tested the most.

    The one that really caught my eye is the guy from Bosnia with the name Marko Dilas and I wonder if Milovan Dilas might've been I-Z63 too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milovan_Djilas

    anyways I hope I'm not being annoying knowing the topic is your subclade

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    Thanks for posting the ftdna I1 and Z63 charts. But those don't help much in figuring out the origins of that haplogroup. As you can see people from all kinds of backgrounds and countries are in those charts. The most common ones are English or British Isles but probably because people of English background tested the most.

    The one that really caught my eye is the guy from Bosnia with the name Marko Dilas and I wonder if Milovan Dilas might've been I-Z63 too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milovan_Djilas

    anyways I hope I'm not being annoying knowing the topic is your subclade
    Here is a map of your clade (only available FTDNA data):

    I1a3.png
     
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    NW Croatian 87.5%
    Slovenian 6.25%
    Unknown 6.25%
    E. Europe 35.7%
    Balkan 34.4%
    Scandinavia 21.2%
    Baltic 8.7%
    Grenzmark 0.94
    Czechs 0.93,
    Hungary 0.91
    Volhyn 0.91,
    C. Rusyns 0.91
    Slovenia 0.91
    Czech 1.79
    Hungarian 2.02
    Slovenian 2.07
    Croatian 2.39
    Ukrainian 3.01
    East Europe 99%
    Trace 1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Here is a map of your clade (only available FTDNA data):

    I1a3.png
    Awesome! lol it looks like watermelons
    Thanks for that man

    And in honor of your kind effort I gotta make that my avatar.
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    Back to topic

    It is puzzling there's a hot spot of I2a1b2 in NW Caucasus, could that have something to do with the Avars?

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