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    It is puzzling there's a hot spot of I2a1b2 in NW Caucasus, could that have something to do with the Avars?
    I think not.
    One of the clans is called the Urusovs. Probably the newcomers from the Medieval Russia.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    I think not.
    One of the clans is called the Urusovs. Probably the newcomers from the Medieval Russia.
    Urusov/Ouroussoff (Russian: Урусов) and Urusova/Ouroussoff (Russian: Урусова; feminine) is a Russian princely family of Nogai origins (from urush, "a warrior")
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urusov

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    Heatmaps of other I2a1 subclades (but only from FTDNA):

    I2a1a1 (M26):
    M26.png

    I2a1a2 (CTS21825 (&L233)):
    L233.png

    I2a1b1 (L161):
    L161_1.png

    I2a1b2 Disles (xCTS10228):
    Disles.png

    I2a1b2 CTS10228:
    CTS10228.png
     
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    Subclades of CTS10228:

    Y4460:
    Y4460.png

    Z17855:
    Z17855.png

    Y18331 (A2512):
    Y18331.png

    S17250<PH908:
    PH908.png

    S17250<Y4882:
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravetti View Post
    Urusov/Ouroussoff (Russian: Урусов) and Urusova/Ouroussoff (Russian: Урусова; feminine) is a Russian princely family of Nogai origins (from urush, "a warrior")
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urusov
    Yes, this is their official etymology, but...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravetti View Post
    Urusov/Ouroussoff (Russian: Урусов) and Urusova/Ouroussoff (Russian: Урусова; feminine) is a Russian princely family of Nogai origins (from urush, "a warrior")
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urusov
    On the other hand, the word "urus" also stands for "Rus'" or "Russian" in Turkic, acc. to Dal and Vasmer ("тюрк. urus "русский""). I'm not quite sure what the Turkic word "oba" might stand for (a family designation?). There was a famous Cuman/Kipchak khan called "Urusoba" (early 12th c.) who was a neighbour of the Pereyaslav Principality and died in battle against its prince in 1103. Don't know if this applies at all to the Karachai clan. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    On the other hand, the word "urus" also stands for "Rus'" or "Russian" in Turkic, acc. to Dal and Vasmer ("тюрк. urus "русский""). I'm not quite sure what the Turkic word "oba" might stand for (a family designation?). There was a famous Cuman/Kipchak khan called "Urusoba" (early 12th c.) who was a neighbour of the Pereyaslav Principality and died in battle against its prince in 1103. Don't know if this applies at all to the Karachai clan. Maybe.
    From the uruszág variant of uraság ‎(“squire”‎), from uru the old form of úr ‎(“master, mister, gentleman”‎) + -szág, a variant of +‎ -ság.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/orsz%C3%A1g

    Orosz is a Hungarian language surname, which means "Russian", derived from the Turkish urus, which in turn derived from the Russian Rusak ("Russian").[1] Rusak originates from a Scandinavian term for "oarsman" or "rower", referring to early Russians who rowed their ships inland from the Baltic sea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orosz

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    I think not.
    One of the clans is called the Urusovs. Probably the newcomers from the Medieval Russia.
    The Russian Wikipedia has a segment on Karachay genetics: cf. here --- https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Карачаевцы scroll to "genofond". They say that the most widespread Y-DNA haplogroups are R1a and G2a (together nearly 70%) I2a (I2a1b2 not specified) accounts for some 4% of the Karachays.

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    And the Swedish Vikings Varangians or Varyags in Slavonic were known as the "Rus" and some scholars mostly westerners suggest they were the Kievan Rus elite and that Rurik was of that origin. Which the Russian historians probably disagree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    The Russian Wikipedia has a segment on Karachay genetics: cf. here --- https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Карачаевцы scroll to "genofond". They say that the most widespread Y-DNA haplogroups are R1a and G2a (together nearly 70%) I2a (I2a1b2 not specified) accounts for some 4% of the Karachays.
    http://urus-planet.ru/geneology/dna/gaplogroup/
     
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