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    Why do so many calculators report my Bantu ancestry like this?

    My Great-Grandmother was a predominantly South/East Bantu African lady from Madagascar, but on nearly every calculator I use I get a large amount of West African ancestry with usually no more than 2% Pygmy/San! However, on the calculators that only report SSA ancestry as 'Sub-Saharan' with no further breakdown the oracles will give me horn African populations such as Somalia and Ethiopia when afaik Southern Bantu people are genetically very distinguishable from horners. This is what puntDNAL K10 Oracle 4 gives me

    1 CHG 23.21
    2 ASI 20.12
    3 E_Asian 14.67
    4 WHG 12.27
    5 Sub-Saharan 12.10
    6 ENF 11.97
    7 Amerindian 3.69
    8 Oceanian 1.64

    1 Kalash + Kalash + Cambodian + Somali @ 8.437728
    2 Kalash + Kalash + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 8.705517
    3 Lezgin + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Somali @ 8.718261
    4 Chechen + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.122705
    5 Lezgin + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.202783
    6 Kalash + Pathan + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.293053
    7 Kalash + Pathan + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.437047
    8 Pashtun + Kalash + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.465469
    9 Chechen + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.535830
    10 Lezgin + Punjabi + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.657984
    11 Kalash + Sindhi + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.722927
    12 Lezgin + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Maasai @ 9.737644
    13 Kalash + Sindhi + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.804582
    14 Pashtun + Kalash + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.853597
    15 Pashtun + Pathan + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.857394
    16 Kalash + Burusho + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.889625
    17 Kumyk + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.894500
    18 Lezgin + Punjabi + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.966377
    19 Chechen + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Maasai @ 9.987471
    20 Kalash + Burusho + Cambodian + Somali @ 10.010961

    Is this simply a problem of not enough samples from Southern Bantu peoples?

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    Eurogenes K13 oracles? And do you score NE African on K36?
    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 2.8833% / 0.02883253
    93.8 Somali
    6.2 Yemenite_Dhamar

    FTDNA myorigins 3.0:
    Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia & Somalia
    94%
    Yemenite Jewish
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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Eurogenes K13 oracles? And do you score NE African on K36?
    I get no NE African at all on Eurogenes K36, I do get a little on Eurogenes K13 but when I go onto the Oracle 4 page it disappears. This is what the K13 oracle 4 gives me

    1 South_Asian 22.41
    2 East_Asian 16.36
    3 North_Atlantic 16.11
    4 West_Asian 15.79
    5 Sub-Saharan 10.62
    6 Baltic 8.01
    7 East_Med 5.08
    8 West_Med 4.20
    9 Amerindian 1.07


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Tadjik @ 27.802118
    2 Aghan_Hazara @ 27.899736
    3 Afghan_Tadjik @ 27.993717
    4 Uygur @ 28.994816
    5 Uzbeki @ 30.525515
    6 Turkmen @ 31.922142
    7 Afghan_Pashtun @ 32.066071
    8 Hazara @ 32.226311
    9 Afghan_Turkmen @ 33.162609
    10 Nogay @ 33.425346
    11 Burusho @ 34.026978
    12 Punjabi_Jat @ 35.807697
    13 Pathan @ 35.956429
    14 Kalash @ 38.016983
    15 Romanian @ 39.347275
    16 Bulgarian @ 39.757282
    17 Kumyk @ 40.123287
    18 Greek_Thessaly @ 40.140415
    19 Azeri @ 40.212406
    20 Brahmin_UP @ 40.268486

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bangladeshi +50% Serbian @ 19.703377


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Punjabi_Jat +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 12.212909


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
    1 Kumyk + Kurumba + Malay + West_Scottish @ 11.303479
    2 Iranian + Kshatriya + Malay + West_Scottish @ 11.324561
    3 Kumyk + Kurumba + Malay + Southwest_English @ 11.337018
    4 Brahmin_UP + Iranian + Malay + West_Scottish @ 11.337934
    5 Kumyk + Malay + Velamas + West_Scottish @ 11.339061
    6 French + Kol + Malay + Tabassaran @ 11.342492
    7 French + Malay + Tabassaran + Uttar_Pradesh @ 11.345190
    8 Dusadh + Malay + Southwest_English + Tabassaran @ 11.345790
    9 Dusadh + Kumyk + Malay + West_Scottish @ 11.353506
    10 Irish + Kumyk + Kurumba + Malay @ 11.358631
    11 Dusadh + Malay + Southeast_English + Tabassaran @ 11.364144
    12 Iranian + Irish + Kshatriya + Malay @ 11.370658
    13 Brahmin_UP + Iranian + Irish + Malay @ 11.373838
    14 Afghan_Pashtun + Brahmin_UP + Malay + Spanish_Cataluna @ 11.374619
    15 Dusadh + Lezgin + Malay + Southwest_English @ 11.376530
    16 Dharkar + Iranian + Malay + West_Scottish @ 11.377196
    17 Kumyk + Malay + Southwest_English + Velamas @ 11.378097
    18 Kumyk + Kurumba + Malay + Orcadian @ 11.382027
    19 Kurumba + Malay + Southeast_English + Tabassaran @ 11.382814
    20 Afghan_Pashtun + Brahmin_UP + Malay + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 11.387060

    For some reason the 4 populations report didn't even give me an African population lol

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    Considering you don't score any NE African in K36 there is no doubt that you have no recent horner ancestry.Perhaps since you have a mix of Ancient Middle Eastern blood + generic SSA gives the elusion of Horner ancestry on other calculators.
    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 2.8833% / 0.02883253
    93.8 Somali
    6.2 Yemenite_Dhamar

    FTDNA myorigins 3.0:
    Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia & Somalia
    94%
    Yemenite Jewish
    6%

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    This is what my mum gets for Eurogenes K13 for comparison (half Mauritian Creole and half English)

    1 North_Atlantic 25.65
    2 East_Asian 18.95
    3 Sub-Saharan 15.51
    4 Baltic 12.02
    5 West_Med 7.72
    6 South_Asian 7.67
    7 West_Asian 5.01
    8 Siberian 3.24
    9 Northeast_African 1.96
    10 Oceanian 1.84

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Uygur @ 34.432129
    2 West_German @ 34.441498
    3 Serbian @ 34.845196
    4 French @ 34.914539
    5 South_Dutch @ 35.045254
    6 Hungarian @ 35.097164
    7 Austrian @ 35.144485
    8 Romanian @ 35.562077
    9 Moldavian @ 35.654434
    10 Tatar @ 35.807922
    11 Spanish_Galicia @ 35.815216
    12 East_German @ 35.819687
    13 Portuguese @ 36.262566
    14 Bulgarian @ 36.959198
    15 Spanish_Extremadura @ 36.960011
    16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 36.987633
    17 Croatian @ 37.013401
    18 Aghan_Hazara @ 37.078140
    19 North_German @ 37.087048
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 37.165955

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 19.587482

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Luhya +25% Malay @ 7.406829

    Using 4 populations approximation:

    1 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Malay + Orcadian @ 7.357744
    2 Bantu_N.E. + Malay + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 7.360303
    3 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Irish + Malay @ 7.365878
    4 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Malay + West_Scottish @ 7.366653
    5 Bantu_N.E. + Malay + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.383002
    6 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Malay + Southwest_English @ 7.390050
    7 Bantu_N.E. + Malay + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 7.391782
    8 Irish + Luhya + Malay + Orcadian @ 7.396746
    9 Luhya + Malay + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 7.405066
    10 Irish + Irish + Luhya + Malay @ 7.406829
    11 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Irish + Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 7.408386
    12 Bantu_N.E. + Malay + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 7.409488
    13 Irish + Luhya + Malay + West_Scottish @ 7.409844
    14 Bantu_N.E. + Malay + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 7.411312
    15 Luhya + Malay + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.431756
    16 Luhya + Malay + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 7.431807
    17 Irish + Luhya + Malay + Southwest_English @ 7.433538
    18 Luhya + Malay + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 7.449008
    19 Luhya + Malay + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 7.450954
    20 Irish + Irish + Luhya + Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 7.466311
    Ethnogene: 51.4% NW European, 21.6% W European, 10.1% Southeastern African, 9.5% Southeast Asian, 4.4% South Asian, 2% Scandinavian, 1% East African
    Papertrail @ 2xggrandparents: 37.5% London, 25% Dorset, 25% Mauritius, 6.25% Netherlands, 6.25% Hampshire

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    Most Madagascans are a mixture of Bantu and South East Asian also Austronesian your 12.10% Sub Saharan African score on GEDmatch is equivalent to your Great grandmother who was Madagascan and it looks like she was very Bantu. Your Pygmy/San % is part of your Bantu score also since its ancient admix in Bantu peoples.

    The Sub-Saharan African on GEDmatch dosent include Horners, Masai, Oromo, Borana for example.(Correct me if i'm wrong)
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    Gedrosia K12 Vahaduo

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    Distance: 0.5466% / 0.54658687

    55.3 Esan
    24.4 Masai
    11.9 Yoruba
    3.2 Balochi
    1.8 Makrani
    1.5 Nihali
    1.1 Ethiopian_Jew
    0.7 Somali
    0.1 Kusunda

    Wegene

    94.44% African
    59.21% Yoruba
    16.29% Somali
    13.90% BantuSA
    5.03% Mbuti
    0.01% Others


    5.50% South Asian
    5.50% Indian

    Others 0.06%

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    My male line matches 97 percent of all of the Bantu men in the Congo. As long as you're descended from the original Bantu tribe members, then we are family.

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    sadly these calculators are very broad for people with sub saharan african dna, they cluster everything as one thing, so pop approximation can be wrong. I gave up trying to see what my 10-11% ssa would be, I rely more on history of the region my ancestors where from
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam A View Post

    1 CHG 23.21
    2 ASI 20.12
    3 E_Asian 14.67
    4 WHG 12.27
    5 Sub-Saharan 12.10
    6 ENF 11.97
    7 Amerindian 3.69
    8 Oceanian 1.64
    Nice mix. You have everything.

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