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Thread: Could Western Jews (Ash. and Seph.) descend from Aegeans and Levantine admixture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    can you show us academic papers backing up your claims that Palestinian Muslims are 45 percent Levantine

    Also show a model showing how much ppnb/c admixture Palestinian Muslims have
    neolithic model in this discussion means nothing. you can't differentiate from which population the elevated natufian ancestry in Palestinian muslims is from (egyptians or arabs), same with ashkenazim.

    Code:
    Target: Rome_Imperial_EastMed
    Distance: 0.8549% / 0.00854873
    55.0	EEF
    19.2	Steppe_Pastoralist
    14.0	Iran_Neolithic
    8.0	Levant_Natufian_contam
    3.8	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    
    Target: ITA_Sicily_480BCE_AegeanProfile
    Distance: 0.9481% / 0.00948097
    75.0	EEF
    15.0	Steppe_Pastoralist
    7.4	Iran_Neolithic
    2.6	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    
    Target: Lebanon_IAII_Beirut
    Distance: 3.9202% / 0.03920213
    43.4	EEF
    29.6	Levant_Natufian_contam
    25.0	Iran_Neolithic
    2.0	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    
    Target: Ashkenazi_Jew
    Distance: 1.0706% / 0.01070558
    47.2	EEF
    26.4	Steppe_Pastoralist
    12.8	Levant_Natufian_contam
    10.2	Iran_Neolithic
    2.4	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    1.0	Iberomaurusian

    Code:
    Target: Palestinian
    Distance: 1.8306% / 0.01830569
    32.0	Levant_Natufian_contam
    30.0	EEF
    24.2	Iran_Neolithic
    5.4	Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.2	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    3.2	SSA
    
    Target: Egyptian
    Distance: 1.4779% / 0.01477864
    38.2	Levant_Natufian_contam
    25.6	EEF
    19.6	Iran_Neolithic
    11.6	SSA
    4.6	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    0.2	Iberomaurusian
    0.2	Steppe_Pastoralist
    
    Target: Saudi
    Distance: 5.5222% / 0.05522179
    63.2	Levant_Natufian_contam
    26.4	Iran_Neolithic
    10.4	EEF
    also can we stop with the useless comparisons between jews and Palestinians? it's not what the thread is about
    Last edited by Abceff; 12-13-2022 at 09:28 PM.
    Target: abceff
    Distance: 2.7952% / 0.02795248
    34.6 Anatolia_N
    18.0 Taforalt
    17.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
    11.0 SSA
    6.8 Yamnaya
    5.8 Iran_N
    4.8 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
    1.2 Baltic_HG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abceff View Post
    neolithic model in this discussion means nothing. you can't differentiate from which population the elevated natufian ancestry in Palestinian muslims is from (egyptians or arabs), same with ashkenazim.

    Code:
    Target: Rome_Imperial_EastMed
    Distance: 0.8549% / 0.00854873
    55.0	EEF
    19.2	Steppe_Pastoralist
    14.0	Iran_Neolithic
    8.0	Levant_Natufian_contam
    3.8	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    
    Target: ITA_Sicily_480BCE_AegeanProfile
    Distance: 0.9481% / 0.00948097
    75.0	EEF
    15.0	Steppe_Pastoralist
    7.4	Iran_Neolithic
    2.6	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    
    Target: Lebanon_IAII_Beirut
    Distance: 3.9202% / 0.03920213
    43.4	EEF
    29.6	Levant_Natufian_contam
    25.0	Iran_Neolithic
    2.0	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    
    Target: Ashkenazi_Jew
    Distance: 1.0706% / 0.01070558
    47.2	EEF
    26.4	Steppe_Pastoralist
    12.8	Levant_Natufian_contam
    10.2	Iran_Neolithic
    2.4	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    1.0	Iberomaurusian

    Code:
    Target: Palestinian
    Distance: 1.8306% / 0.01830569
    32.0	Levant_Natufian_contam
    30.0	EEF
    24.2	Iran_Neolithic
    5.4	Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.2	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    3.2	SSA
    
    Target: Egyptian
    Distance: 1.4779% / 0.01477864
    38.2	Levant_Natufian_contam
    25.6	EEF
    19.6	Iran_Neolithic
    11.6	SSA
    4.6	Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    0.2	Iberomaurusian
    0.2	Steppe_Pastoralist
    
    Target: Saudi
    Distance: 5.5222% / 0.05522179
    63.2	Levant_Natufian_contam
    26.4	Iran_Neolithic
    10.4	EEF
    also can we stop with the useless comparisons between jews and Palestinians? it's not what the thread is about
    It's natufian like ancestry khoya I was discussing ppnb admixture anyway. The only reason I made these comments is because they mentioned Palestinian Muslims and Arabs first


    Arabs don't have direct natufian ancestry to begin with
    "Since Arabians have an excess of Natufian-like ancestry compared to elsewhere in the Middle East, we found they also carry an excess of basal Eurasian ancestry that will reduce their Neanderthal ancestry"
    Target: _Arab
    Distance: 1.5938% / 0.01593837 | R3P
    57.6 TUN_Kerkouane_IA
    32.4 Levant_Baqah_BA
    10.0 COG_Kindoki_230BP

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEM4867 View Post
    There is this joke that the one thing all Israelis have in common is that one uncle who lives in Beersheba. I do fall into that sterotype as well. Issac is everyone's uncle I guess
    Well we all have an "uncle Issac" to some degree of removal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levantine_Viking View Post
    All peer reviewed studies have limitations, as we've shown you 2 already that have so it's best to also take other tools into consideration. If it was truly "natufian like" then they wouldn't have an additional "eef" like ancestey in proportion to what a rough half half (levant PPN would be.

    Natufian Hunter-Gatherer :35.0%
    Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :27.4%
    Zagrosian Neolithic Farmer :17.2%
    East African Hunter-Gatherer :11.8%
    Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :5.0%
    North African Neolithic Farmer :3.6%
    What?! They wouldn't have a graph with Arabian HG if Arabs really derived direct ancestry from natufian. I don't see any reason why they would lie about it and the distances when modelling Arabs with natufian samples is way too high to be taken seriously

    Anyway let's just wait and see what comes out of the Arabian peninsular then we can discuss it
    Target: _Arab
    Distance: 1.5938% / 0.01593837 | R3P
    57.6 TUN_Kerkouane_IA
    32.4 Levant_Baqah_BA
    10.0 COG_Kindoki_230BP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    What?! They wouldn't have a graph with Arabian HG if Arabs really derived direct ancestry from natufian. I don't see any reason why they would lie about it and the distances when modelling Arabs with natufian samples is way too high to be taken seriously

    Anyway let's just wait and see what comes out of the Arabian peninsular then we can discuss it
    OK you're not understanding though. Arabs in the levant and sinai region most likely came from northwest arabia originally and there were definitely Arabs there, who were natufian rich, and some speculate that this is where Arabs originated, not necessarily in the southern peninsula. Jordan EBA is Arabian shifted, and very natufian, most likely because its close to the world of the nabateans.

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    In regards to the discussion of Natufian or Natufian related ancestry, attached is the average for most MENA populations sorted from highest to lowest. Samaritans retain a good deal of it, more than both Palestinian and Lebanese Christians which is interesting. Also there is obviously something missing with Arabian populations, as was mentioned before by Gentica it is likely that their Natufian ancestry is actually from some sort of Native Arabian HG population that forms a sister ancestry to the Natufians, with some sort of enriched Iran-N population being the mixture required to get modern Arabians, perhaps from the Bronze age Levant or Mesopotamia would be my guess.

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