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Thread: Could Western Jews (Ash. and Seph.) descend from Aegeans and Levantine admixture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    Even without plotting her - just by looking at her "Arabian" and "Near East" values - I'd say she has significant Arab ancestry. However she's obviously mixed with Levantines, judging by her equally high East_Med and Armenian, as well as Italian and East Balkan (which I think she probably got from some Greek admixture, as East_Balkan almost always means Balkan-derived population, and coupling that with her ~15% Italian, I'd say Greek indeed).

    EDIT: This is how she plot (the blue X):

    Plotting can be deceiving, especially with a calculator that has so many K like K36. Her results show her well within the Levantine Christian variation. Not everyone will score exactly like the average and that doesn't mean that anyone who scores slightly higher Arabian or Near Eastern must have Arabic input.
    I also strongly disagree with your notion of that high Italian and East Balkan in this particular calc is indicative of Greek admix. There are Assyrians scoring around 10% Italian with K36 but on other calcs they score basically no Northern Euro. The Italian component here seems to be a shared component. Same applies to the East Balkan component aswell but to a lesser degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helves View Post
    Plotting can be deceiving, especially with a calculator that has so many K like K36. Her results show her well within the Levantine Christian variation. Not everyone will score exactly like the average and that doesn't mean that anyone who scores slightly higher Arabian or Near Eastern must have Arabic input.
    I also strongly disagree with your notion of that high Italian and East Balkan in this particular calc is indicative of Greek admix. There are Assyrians scoring around 10% Italian with K36 but on other calcs they score basically no Northern Euro. The Italian component here seems to be a shared component. Same applies to the East Balkan component aswell but to a lesser degree.
    Italian of ~14% is similar in proportion to Western Jews, and significant East Balkan admixture means some Balkan derived ancestry. In any case, I don't mind debating this further, but let's try and stay on topic (we have a tendency, including myself, to go off topic a lot which makes sense since it's a long thread).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewid View Post
    And the Syrian Jews and Cypriots? From what I am seeing they are still marking the eastern flank of this 'Aegean-like' substrate, with the inclusion of the Romaniote results providing a bridge between Aegean islanders and Cypriots, whilst Syrian Jews form the eastern fringe.
    I have wrongly forgot to mention them (to me you are Aegeans, as you are well aware ) . Cypriots and Syrian Jews seem to have the highest Levantine admixture of all the populations mentioned, IMO more than 40%, and other then some North African admixture in Syrian Jews and what seems like elevated Anatolian affinity in the case of Cypriots, they basically cluster the same and mark the east front of the East Mediterranean Continuum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iseid0441 View Post
    Thanks but I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
    Her Arabian is perfectly normal although it's quite high for a Palestinian Christian. But even we shouldn't compare her with other Palestinian Christians rather with Samaritans. Pull out your 3 Samaritan kits and you'll see some score 20% Arabian and east med and near eastern are exchangeable between the 3 samples.

    Moreover if she has significant Arab ancestry as you say, her Arabian would be off the charts as Saudis score 50% Arabian.

    And if you're going to say her Arabian mixture was lowered by Greek mixture, then I can tell you her sister scores only 10% Italian and no Balkan yet Arabian is not different and east med is 29%

    Btw her score is almost identical to this of a Samaritan you posted earlier. The only difference is she scores less Arabian and which is replaced by South Europe.

    Amerindian -
    Arabian 16.62
    Armenian 12.51
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med 25.69
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian -
    French -
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 6.98
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 26.16
    North_African 2.65
    North_Atlantic -
    North_Caucasian 2.67
    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 0.70
    West_Med 6.03


    And if she does happen to have Arab input which she still might, it's no more than 15% based on calculations.

    Now I'm not going to sit here and say she doesn't have Arabian input because she, I, and you probably does. After all the holy land is a Camel ride away from Arabia. So is Lebanon and others.
    And absolutely no one on the planet can trace their roots 1500 years back.

    Anyway I will try to stop chiming in on this thread. I'm sure I'm bothering people on here.
    I would imagine that any individual family's partial-Arabian origin 1500 years ago would've been long absorbed into the existing Levantine Christian population, so I doubt anybody would stick out enormously, though slight differences (such as with this woman) might be noticeable. Of course, others whose families don't trace their origins there would've likely still absorbed some of the Arabian admixture since it's inevitable that there would be intermixing between neighboring families of the same religion over 1500 years.

    Anyway, according to Assyrian sources, Samaritans are the product of Levantine + "Arabian" admixture from 2700 years ago. I don't know the proportions (as they don't specify obviously) or where in "Arabia" the mixture comes from, but I would imagine it would have some sort of impact on their overall genetic makeup (even if it's less than, let's say, 10%). So autosomal affinity to Samaritans shouldn't discount partial ancient Arabian origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    I've used the averages of Global25. Few notes:
    *Germany_medieval_o is STR_300, the Greek woman.
    *Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1 is the average of CL30, CL38 and CL25. If you remember, they all have an average of ~20% BA_Levant_North, so take that percentage from what is seen and move it to Levantine ancestry.

    This is what I got for several different Western Jews:

    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.284"
    
             Italian_Jew
    
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,47.6
    Levant_BA_North,11.8
    Beaker_Northern_Italy,11.6
    Germany_Medieval_o,11
    Guanche,10.4
    Levant_BA_South,7.6
    This translates to:
    ~29% Levantine (taking 20% from Italy_Medieval_Collegno + Levant_North + Levant_South).
    ~49% Aegean/Hellenic/Greek-like (STR_300 + 80% from Italy_Medieval_Collegno).
    ~12% BB North Italy.
    ~10% Guanche-like.

    All in all though - around 50% Aegean/Hellenic-like, and 30% Levant.


    Next I've tried Sephardic Jews (Balkan, so perhaps admixed with Romaniotes).

    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.8574"
    
             Sephardic_Jew
    
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,64.6
    Levant_BA_North,12.2
    Guanche,11.4
    Germany_Medieval_o,6
    Beaker_Northern_Italy,3.6
    Levant_BA_South,2.2
    This translates to:
    ~28% Levantine.
    ~56% Aegean/Hellenic/Greek-like.
    ~12% Guanche-like
    ~3.6% BB North Italy.

    I tried to change it to Beaker_Iberia, and the results got worse. I'm sure that if we get proper Roman-age North Italians it'll get much better.

    Next, Ashkenazi Jews:

    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.7601"
    
             Ashkenazi_Jew
    
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,51.6
    Levant_BA_North,14
    Slavic_Bohemia,13.6
    Guanche,8.2
    Beaker_Northern_Italy,7.4
    Levant_BA_South,5
    Germany_Medieval_o,0.2

    This translates to:
    ~29% Levantine.
    ~40% Aegean/Hellenic/Greek-like.
    ~14% Slavic.
    ~7% BB North Italian.
    ~8% Guanche.

    Barely no STR_300 (EMA Greek woman aka "Germany_Medieval_o").

    What shocked me is the percentage of Guanche admixture in Ashkenazi Jews.

    All in all - all three Western Jews adhere to what we've seen in the beginning of this thread with the previous calculators: most dominant component is Aegean/Hellenic-like (which closely unify South Italians, Aegeans and Western Jews), while Levantine is always at ~30%.

    Also seems all three Western Jews populations have North Italian admixture, and I'm sure that if we used Roman-era samples from there we'd get much better results - although these are still close (less than 2% for all of them, using very few averages).

    What do you think?

    EDIT: Copied from the other thread, regarding the average of Levantine admixture in those Collegno samples:


    EDIT 2: Changed Bell Beaker North Italians to Medieval Germans in Ashkenazi Jews calculation. Got a little better distance:

    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.6265"
    
             Ashkenazi_Jew
    
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,46.6
    Levant_BA_North,12.6
    Germany_Medieval,10.2
    Slavic_Bohemia,9.4
    Levant_BA_South,8.6
    Guanche,7.6
    Germany_Medieval_o,5
    Again, ~30% Levantine, ~50% Aegean/Hellenic-like, ~20% Medieval German and Slavic (a little too high, IMO. I think Roman-era North Italian would lower this) and the North African-derived is now ~7.5%.
    It's very strange, but when I take out the Guanche samples from all the Western Jews, the distance seem to grow. Still - 7% for Ashkenazi seem high, but then again Sephardim get here around 11%, so it does seem they have higher North African than Ashkenazi Jews, which does make sense.
    What happens if you model Ashkenazi, Sephardi, or Italian Jews as Syrian Jew + the European & North African components?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonahst View Post
    What happens if you model Ashkenazi, Sephardi, or Italian Jews as Syrian Jew + the European & North African components?
    Cool idea - they seem to be nicely replaceable, demonstrating again that probably Syrian Jews are the closest community to the proto-Western Jews (after they left Judea and mixed with Aegean/Hellenic people):

    For Ashkenazi Jews:

    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.7817"
    
             Ashkenazi_Jew
    
    Syrian_Jew,76
    Slavic_Bohemia,11.2
    Germany_Medieval,8.8
    Guanche,4
    The fact that the North European is still ~20% shows Syrian Jews have virtually none.
    Again, Guanche shows, but is lower - probably because Syrian Jews already have some NA admixture.



    Sephardi Jews:

    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.4094"
    
             Sephardic_Jew
    
    Syrian_Jew,78.6
    Beaker_Northern_Italy,15.8
    Guanche,5.6
    ^ Again look how Guanche appears but is almost half than what we've seen, since probably Syrian Jews already have North African admixture, but since they have less than Sephardic Jews - it pops up.



    And Italian Jews:
    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.599"
    
             Italian_Jew
    
    Syrian_Jew,73.6
    Beaker_Northern_Italy,21.4
    Guanche,5
    ^ seems like Italian Jews have been getting some further Italian admixture.


    What I liked though is that Syrian Jews always keep on getting the same ~75% average, which translates to, if we use the results from the other calculators done in the beginning of this thread that Syrian Jews have like Cypriots ~40% and more Levantine, into ~30% Levantine / ~50% Aegean/Hellenic-like.

    EDIT: Btw, Cypriots in single population get closest population to Syrian Jews, just as we've seen in all of the PCAs, calculators etc. in this thread:

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
                Syrian_Jew     Lebanese_Christian         Lebanese_Druze 
                  2.380888               2.481406               2.643630 
    Greek_Central_Anatolia            Greek_Crete          Greek_Trabzon 
                  3.250706               3.798981               5.987207 
             Turkish_Adana 
                  7.261551
    And vice-versa is also the same - closest population to Syrian Jews are Cypriots:

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
                   Cypriot         Lebanese_Druze     Lebanese_Christian 
                  2.380888               2.427277               2.922519 
    Greek_Central_Anatolia            Greek_Crete          Greek_Trabzon 
                  4.257122               4.431057               6.357081 
             Turkish_Adana 
                  6.805790
    Which again shows that if we were to replace Syrian Jews with Cypriots, but keep the Guanche since Cypriots have no North African admixture, we'll probably get similar results - again, this is what we've seen in K36, K7-Basal, PCAs etc.
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    Sephardi Jews:

    Code:

    [1] "distance%=1.4094"

    Sephardic_Jew

    Syrian_Jew,78.6
    Beaker_Northern_Italy,15.8
    Guanche,5.6



    where is all the south french admixture you had in sefhardic jew before .... ?
    that now it all moved to beaker northern italy when you model with syrian jews as the base ?

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    CL 30 compared to a Greek Islander from Kalymnos:

    Dodecad K12b
    CL30
     
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 38.78
    2 Atlantic_Med 24.44
    3 Southwest_Asian 14.39
    4 Gedrosia 9.59
    5 North_European 9.03
    6 Northwest_African 3.66
    7 Siberian 0.11

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 5.75
    2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.46
    3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 7.65
    4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.04
    5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.14
    6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 9.82
    7 Cypriots (Behar) 11.92
    8 Greek (Dodecad) 13.23
    9 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.66
    10 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.28
    11 Lebanese (Behar) 15.9
    12 Turks (Behar) 16.96
    13 Druze (HGDP) 18.47
    14 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.63
    15 Syrians (Behar) 19.07
    16 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.16
    17 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.4
    18 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.45
    19 Jordanians (Behar) 20.47
    20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 21.94

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 71.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28.2% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.58
    2 74.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.76
    3 76.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.83
    4 73.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.2% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.96
    5 59.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 40.9% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.01
    6 73.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.11
    7 60.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.11
    8 75.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.5% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.22
    9 73.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.38
    10 73.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.3% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.38
    11 75.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.43
    12 86.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 13.1% Lezgins (Behar) @ 2.47
    13 75.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.4% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.48
    14 75.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.56
    15 74% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.64
    16 76.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.67
    17 76.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.5% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.79
    18 78.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 3.01
    19 87.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.01
    20 84.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 15.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.02

    Kalymnos Islander
     
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 39.3
    2 Atlantic_Med 24.09
    3 Southwest_Asian 14.16
    4 North_European 9.14
    5 Gedrosia 8.71
    6 Northwest_African 3.47
    7 East_Asian 0.44
    8 Sub_Saharan 0.34
    9 Siberian 0.32
    10 East_African 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 5.71
    2 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 6.95
    3 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.4
    4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 7.43
    5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.99
    6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 10.02
    7 Cypriots (Behar) 11.35
    8 Greek (Dodecad) 12.88
    9 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.2
    10 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.35
    11 Lebanese (Behar) 15.82
    12 Turks (Behar) 16.62
    13 Druze (HGDP) 18.17
    14 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.73
    15 Syrians (Behar) 19.08
    16 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.24
    17 Jordanians (Behar) 20.44
    18 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 20.47
    19 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.6
    20 Armenian (Dodecad) 21.85

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.14
    2 72.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.28
    3 76.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.4% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.6
    4 73.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.2% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 1.69
    5 73.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.2% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.72
    6 73.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.4% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.74
    7 73.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.83
    8 74.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.97
    9 75.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.6% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.01
    10 75.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.4% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.06
    11 75.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.5% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.07
    12 75.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.13
    13 86.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 13.2% Lezgins (Behar) @ 2.34
    14 59.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 40.9% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.34
    15 60.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.38
    16 84.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 15.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.54
    17 86.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 13.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.54
    18 54.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 45.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.66
    19 59.9% Druze (HGDP) + 40.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.81
    20 53.2% Druze (HGDP) + 46.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.85


    Eurogenes K13

    CL30
     
    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 31.89
    2 West_Med 21.46
    3 West_Asian 21.42
    4 North_Atlantic 13.34
    5 Red_Sea 7.61
    6 Baltic 3.9
    7 East_Asian 0.38

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 7.1
    2 East_Sicilian 8.85
    3 Central_Greek 8.95
    4 Sephardic_Jewish 9.19
    5 Cyprian 10.55
    6 Algerian_Jewish 11.11
    7 Italian_Jewish 11.12
    8 Italian_Abruzzo 11.36
    9 Ashkenazi 12.04
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 12.2
    11 West_Sicilian 12.53
    12 Libyan_Jewish 13.1
    13 Lebanese_Muslim 13.29
    14 Turkish 14.49
    15 Syrian 14.79
    16 Greek_Thessaly 16.12
    17 Samaritan 17.78
    18 Assyrian 18.43
    19 Lebanese_Christian 18.48
    20 Tuscan 18.55

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.4% South_Italian + 24.6% Armenian @ 3.08
    2 75.6% South_Italian + 24.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.22
    3 74.9% South_Italian + 25.1% Assyrian @ 3.7
    4 84.7% South_Italian + 15.3% Abhkasian @ 3.85
    5 83.9% South_Italian + 16.1% Georgian @ 3.9
    6 76.5% South_Italian + 23.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.98
    7 62.1% West_Sicilian + 37.9% Armenian @ 4.02
    8 80.4% South_Italian + 19.6% Kurdish @ 4.1
    9 62.2% West_Sicilian + 37.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.16
    10 79% Sephardic_Jewish + 21% Georgian @ 4.17
    11 70.7% South_Italian + 29.3% Turkish @ 4.18
    12 75% Italian_Jewish + 25% Georgian @ 4.22
    13 71.4% East_Sicilian + 28.6% Armenian @ 4.25
    14 75.5% Italian_Jewish + 24.5% Ossetian @ 4.33
    15 79.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 20.5% Ossetian @ 4.35
    16 75.1% Algerian_Jewish + 24.9% Georgian @ 4.35
    17 80.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 19.7% Abhkasian @ 4.38
    18 77.9% South_Italian + 22.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.4
    19 79% Sephardic_Jewish + 21% Adygei @ 4.42
    20 75.6% Algerian_Jewish + 24.4% Ossetian @ 4.42

    Kalmynos Islander
     
    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 35.78
    2 West_Med 22.17
    3 West_Asian 18.58
    4 North_Atlantic 8.99
    5 Red_Sea 6.31
    6 Baltic 5.44
    7 East_Asian 1.18
    8 Amerindian 0.87
    9 Oceanian 0.35
    10 Sub-Saharan 0.34

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Cyprian 6.82
    2 South_Italian 8.33
    3 Algerian_Jewish 8.77
    4 Sephardic_Jewish 9.04
    5 Italian_Jewish 9.65
    6 East_Sicilian 9.95
    7 Central_Greek 10.36
    8 Tunisian_Jewish 10.48
    9 Ashkenazi 10.71
    10 Libyan_Jewish 11.38
    11 Lebanese_Muslim 11.84
    12 Syrian 13.65
    13 West_Sicilian 14.17
    14 Italian_Abruzzo 14.33
    15 Samaritan 14.68
    16 Lebanese_Christian 15.4
    17 Turkish 16.2
    18 Lebanese_Druze 16.53
    19 Greek_Thessaly 17.09
    20 Jordanian 17.18

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61.3% Cyprian + 38.7% Central_Greek @ 2.45
    2 55.8% Cyprian + 44.2% South_Italian @ 2.79
    3 87% Cyprian + 13% Southwest_French @ 2.84
    4 73.2% Cyprian + 26.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.89
    5 81.4% Cyprian + 18.6% North_Italian @ 2.89
    6 60.7% Cyprian + 39.3% East_Sicilian @ 2.89
    7 86.7% Cyprian + 13.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.05
    8 77.4% Cyprian + 22.6% Tuscan @ 3.17
    9 85.8% Cyprian + 14.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.19
    10 86.1% Cyprian + 13.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.21
    11 69.7% Cyprian + 30.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.21
    12 85.4% Cyprian + 14.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.23
    13 70% Cyprian + 30% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.25
    14 85.9% Cyprian + 14.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.25
    15 86.2% Cyprian + 13.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.25
    16 85.3% Cyprian + 14.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.28
    17 85.5% Cyprian + 14.5% Portuguese @ 3.28
    18 86.2% Cyprian + 13.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.31
    19 89.6% Cyprian + 10.4% French_Basque @ 3.33
    20 80.9% Cyprian + 19.1% Bulgarian @ 3.36


    Eurogenes K36

    CL30
     
    Amerindian -
    Arabian 4.78
    Armenian 4.28
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 2.62
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 5.38
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med 21.64
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian -
    French -
    Iberian 9.90
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 16.73
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 12.07
    North_African 1.51
    North_Atlantic 0.19
    North_Caucasian 1.60
    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 11.81
    West_Med 7.47

    Kalymnos Islander
     
    Amerindian 0.17
    Arabian 3.69
    Armenian 9.60
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 1.68
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 5.78
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med 17.58
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian -
    French -
    Iberian 7.97
    Indo-Chinese 0.22
    Italian 19.55
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 15.29
    North_African 0.20
    North_Atlantic -
    North_Caucasian 2.63
    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 7.30
    West_Med 8.32

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    The ancient samples,Kalymnians and Calabrese should all be similar, but it doesn't make sense for an Aegean islander to be in north Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Sephardi Jews:

    Code:

    [1] "distance%=1.4094"

    Sephardic_Jew

    Syrian_Jew,78.6
    Beaker_Northern_Italy,15.8
    Guanche,5.6



    where is all the south french admixture you had in sefhardic jew before .... ?
    that now it all moved to beaker northern italy when you model with syrian jews as the base ?
    It still works, I just tried to model them using the same ancient samples from Europe and North Africa I did when using Levant_BA and Collegno samples.

    If anything, it seems South_French gives more reasonable North-West European admixture estimates for Sephardic Jews than BB North_Italian, at least in my idea (not surprising, as I mentioned in the other post, BB North Italy IMO is too far off). Distance is pretty much the same:

    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.5634"
    
             Sephardic_Jew
    
    Syrian_Jew,83.6
    French_South,12
    Guanche,4.4
    So, Syrian_Jew gets ~83%. Using the 60% Aegean/Hellenic-like / 40% Levant that Cypriots are, those 83% turns into:
    ~50% Aegean/Hellenic-like, 33% Levant. Still, same ratio.
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    mtDNA: K1a1b1a; (Occur in 20% of total Ashkenazi lineages).

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