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Thread: Could Western Jews (Ash. and Seph.) descend from Aegeans and Levantine admixture?

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    My grandmother's:


    Mine:

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    if you took FTDNA upload only 37 CVS.
    So, I uploaded my LivingDNA data (I haven't tested with anyone else). I suppose it was an attempt to get an early update somewhat XD

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    I've uploaded my 23andme kit. It's been processing for 4 hours now. Maybe I'll try Ancestry or FTDNA. Might be better.

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    Okay, results are in. Took about 6 hours.


    Europe
    69.3%
    Europe (South)
    69.3%
    Near East
    30.7%

    I didn't even receive North African....
    Or any East European like full Ashkenazi's do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeeprince View Post
    Okay, results are in. Took about 6 hours.


    Europe
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    Europe (South)
    69.3%
    Near East
    30.7%

    I didn't even receive North African....
    Or any East European like full Ashkenazi's do.
    Mind sharing your map? As I recall, you're half Ashkenazi and half Moroccan Jewish, right? Don't worry, my sister is fully Ashkenazi and didn't receive any East European. As for North Africa, they still suck at it.
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    Other potential and/or likely recent lineages: J-L816, J-PF5456, E-FGC56023

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    Lebanese Melkite (LivingDNA) :

    Near East (the entire Middle East + the Armenia region)
    89.8%
    Europe (South) (central Italy + Basque)
    10.1%
    Europe
    10.1%
    Interesting, does the "Near East" include Iran? I know that before Lebanese Christians were scoring a lot of "Tuscany," which bizarrely seemed to correlate with "Iran." Honestly, seeing these new results doesn't necessarily give me any more faith in Living DNA, it just shows how inconsistent the results are. The Palestinian Muslim scoring so much "Near East" might be an indication of their references, much like the 23andMe beta results for Levantine Christians.

    Here's another Lebanese Christian from 3rd party upload from a year ago:

    Lebanese Christian (FTDNA upload):
    Europe (South) 52.4%
    South Italy 27.2%
    Tuscany 19.7%
    Sardinia 5.5%
    Near East 44.7%
    Levant 20.7%
    Iran 18.4%
    North Turkey 5.6%
    Asia (South) 2.9%
    Pashtun 1.8%
    Sindh 1.1%

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    Is it free? I couldn't find the link, anyone have it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonahst View Post
    Interesting, does the "Near East" include Iran? I know that before Lebanese Christians were scoring a lot of "Tuscany," which bizarrely seemed to correlate with "Iran." Honestly, seeing these new results doesn't necessarily give me any more faith in Living DNA, it just shows how inconsistent the results are. The Palestinian Muslim scoring so much "Near East" might be an indication of their references, much like the 23andMe beta results for Levantine Christians.

    Here's another Lebanese Christian from 3rd party upload from a year ago:

    Lebanese Christian (FTDNA upload):
    Europe (South) 52.4%
    South Italy 27.2%
    Tuscany 19.7%
    Sardinia 5.5%
    Near East 44.7%
    Levant 20.7%
    Iran 18.4%
    North Turkey 5.6%
    Asia (South) 2.9%
    Pashtun 1.8%
    Sindh 1.1%
    No, it doesn't include Iran, unless you count the small overlap in the coloring over the Armenia region with NW Iran. I think they've gotten a lot better, though still with things to fix. So far, the 2 Levantines we've seen have scored high Near Eastern. Let's get more Levantine samples. I'm not saying this therefore implies that those Jews that get 25% Near Eastern are in fact 25% - for some, there is clear spillover into neighboring regions and clear cases of rebalancing of components, as seen with Coffeeprince and my sister, neither of whom scored any Northern/Eastern Europe.
    Last edited by StillWater; 11-09-2019 at 11:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    No, it doesn't include Iran, unless you count the small overlap in the coloring over the Armenia region with NW Iran. I think they've gotten a lot better, though still with things to fix. So far, the 2 Levantines we've seen have scored high Near Eastern. Let's get more Levantine samples. I'm not saying this therefore implies that those Jews that get 25% Near Eastern are in fact 25% - for some, there is clear spillover into neighboring regions and clear cases of rebalancing of components, as seen with Coffeeprince and my sister, neither of whom scored any Northern/Eastern Europe.
    That's the "Armenia/Cyprus" category, which until very recently almost nobody ever scored, including Cypriots and Armenians. Now, it looks like everybody with Levantine ancestry is scoring it, including my uncle who got that + Arabia, but no Levant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonahst View Post
    That's the "Armenia/Cyprus" category, which until very recently almost nobody ever scored, including Cypriots and Armenians. Now, it looks like everybody with Levantine ancestry is scoring it, including my uncle who got that + Arabia, but no Levant.
    I predicted my grandma would score Levant, as she also scores Middle Eastern on MyHeritage. I'm not quite sure yet why some Jews score it and others don't. My grandma does, but I don't. Would be useful to see the %s.
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    Other potential and/or likely recent lineages: J-L816, J-PF5456, E-FGC56023

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