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Thread: Could Western Jews (Ash. and Seph.) descend from Aegeans and Levantine admixture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudio View Post
    I think The Southern Arc paper eludes to Imperial Romans being much more Anatolian than previously estimated.
    They more than elude if I remember correctly. They state it.
    Its makes it a bit complicated for us though because we are less able then to differentiate between conversion and assimilation in the Roman Italian peninsula and that of Western Anatalia. We might have to be satisfied simply with a big circle around Western Anatalia, Greece and Central/South Italy, and say: "here"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudio View Post
    I think The Southern Arc paper eludes to Imperial Romans being much more Anatolian than previously estimated.
    Target: Italy_Rome_Imperial
    Distance: 0.0033% / 0.00325549 | R5P
    40.6 Turkey_North-Centralwest_IA
    28.3 Italy_Center_IA
    21.4 Lebanon_IA
    7.5 Iran_North_IA2
    2.2 Tunisia_IA

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    Turkey_Southeast_IA,0.0928798,0.1358776,-0.0629038,-0.0739024,-0.0256048,-0.0197454,-0.00188,-0.0097844,-0.0148486,-0.0024054,0.0050016,-0.0004196,0.003449,0.003826,-0.0053746,0.0072396,0.0100136,-0.0003296,0.006662,-0.002401,0.0023708,-0.0016568,-0.0047082,-0.0048196,0.0034968
    Turkey_Southwest_IA,0.11221067,0.15850725,-0.0311125,-0.070198667,0.0053598333,-0.025890333,0.00146875,-0.00663425,-0.0052323333,0.032620333,0.0025576667,0.0079055,-0.016303167,-0.00153675,-0.017462583,0.0026738333,0.020187667,0.00092908333,0.0062743333,-0.00394975,-0.0062805833,0.00351375,-0.00082175,0.00061258333,-0.00098783333

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Target: Italy_Rome_Imperial
    Distance: 0.0033% / 0.00325549 | R5P
    40.6 Turkey_North-Centralwest_IA
    28.3 Italy_Center_IA
    21.4 Lebanon_IA
    7.5 Iran_North_IA2
    2.2 Tunisia_IA

    Code:
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    Bulgaria_IA,0.12103189,0.16101778,0.0079193333,-0.052936111,0.030467222,-0.022404222,0.00018277778,-0.0019745556,0.010749,0.044,0.003717,0.0085757778,-0.017244667,0.0017586667,-0.021760556,-0.012478,0.0087356667,0.0047436667,0.0095671111,-0.010227111,-0.0090118889,0.0035445556,-0.003136,0.00077622222,-0.0063601111
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    England_Anglo-Saxon,0.12575625,0.1319285,0.064939915,0.054749075,0.041217548,0.019831986,0.002689573,0.0069186797,0.0036552278,-0.0013100249,-0.0052362954,0.0051258861,-0.01120616,-0.010640548,0.022708786,0.0074726406,-0.0075233132,0.0020991459,0.0041350747,0.0048350605,0.0072421032,0.0038517402,-0.00060394662,0.013617982,-0.0010764377
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    France_Northeast_IA,0.12748187,0.14395125,0.051995375,0.031694375,0.039314875,0.010598,-0.002761375,0.00513425,0.009894,0.01631025,-0.0009945,0.006556625,-0.0141785,-0.01104425,0.0128765,0.006878,-0.003243375,0.00199525,0.007306,0.002892,-0.003291,0.004636875,-0.002126125,-0.00878125,-0.000194375
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    Iran_North_IA1,0.093192625,0.1304955,-0.058595375,-0.05192225,-0.034006375,-0.014432625,0.001674375,-0.0066055,-0.025846625,-0.009202875,0.004158375,-0.00138625,0.005091625,-0.001273125,0.001068875,0.005751125,-0.007790375,0.003943,0.00520075,-0.007675625,0.001840375,-0.001051,-0.0039285,-0.0040365,0.001721375
    Iran_North_IA2,0.094473167,0.114078,-0.067881667,-0.032730667,-0.045546833,-0.0024633333,0.0016841667,-0.0046535,-0.033030667,-0.014487833,0.0052778333,-0.0023728333,0.0031963333,-0.0023853333,0.0033025,0.0119775,-0.0029988333,0.00031683333,0.00050283333,-0.00692,0.0029945,-0.004472,0.0012735,-0.0028718333,0.0036921667
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    Italy_Sicily_IA,0.12515119,0.1693999,0.015695429,-0.056878762,0.045942524,-0.025432095,-0.0035361905,-0.001923,0.026753714,0.064294667,0.0031007619,0.011354143,-0.023750381,-0.0029293333,-0.021321048,-0.010323048,0.006680619,0.0019968571,0.0064645714,-0.010576429,-0.0066549048,0.003686,-0.0034391429,-0.0078034286,-0.00064433333
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    Lithuania_IA,0.132414,0.12524867,0.092897667,0.095823333,0.047393333,0.040439,0.010419,0.016153,-0.0036816667,-0.046895333,-0.003248,-0.020531667,0.024281,0.029497,-0.0032573333,-0.00092833333,-0.0087793333,0.002872,-0.0023043333,-0.0027516667,0.0020796667,-0.0051933333,0.004971,-0.013776667,0.0069053333
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    Scotland_IA,0.1295395,0.13190162,0.062877692,0.057431885,0.034160192,0.021592615,0.0040764615,0.0049879231,0.0023756538,-0.00042057692,-0.0044844231,0.0065133846,-0.014723154,-0.015408423,0.0255885,0.0051863462,-0.014352231,0.0016664231,0.0014407308,0.0040740769,0.0055478846,0.0054121154,-0.001536,0.0066412308,0.00023034615
    Slavic_Late_Antiquity,0.133173,0.131511,0.07071,0.056848,0.0350835,0.028726,0.006815,0.0077305,0.006136,-0.016492,-0.0016235,-0.0060695,0.00773,0.021538,-0.0115365,-0.0017235,0,0.0013305,0.007856,0.0005,0.0007485,-0.004204,0.0083805,-0.006145,0.0030535
    Slovenia_IA,0.12975846,0.14772046,0.045718615,0.0061866923,0.043652923,-0.0015446154,0.0013557692,0.0020945385,0.011594923,0.024840154,-0.00029976923,0.0075856154,-0.016238308,-0.0088182308,0.00075184615,-0.0014074615,0.0020862308,0.0010133846,0.0025042308,-0.0029146923,-0.0018046154,0.0071053077,-0.0015263077,-0.0026603077,-0.0021463077
    Spain_East_IA,0.1213354,0.1559852,0.058152,0.0093024,0.0640118,-0.0061914,-0.000282,0.0028154,0.03481,0.048985,-0.004222,0.0130384,-0.0265214,-0.0166248,0.009039,0.0044022,0.0001302,0.0024072,0.001307,-0.0077286,0.0075618,-0.0006922,-0.0012572,-0.017665,-0.005221
    Spain_North_IA,0.12471743,0.15174914,0.062548,0.0051218571,0.059967286,0.0016734286,-0.00053714286,0.0074831429,0.031,0.042669,-0.0064721429,0.0049884286,-0.021470857,-0.013034857,0.012059571,0.00049271429,-0.0054014286,0.005339,-0.002891,-0.0011254286,0.011230143,-0.0011304286,-0.010792857,-0.016043286,-0.0029935714
    Spain_Northeast_IA,0.1271406,0.1444082,0.0555876,0.0092055,0.0516712,-0.0006136,-0.0029375,0.0042922,0.0250541,0.0416228,-0.0030367,0.0096664,-0.0217342,-0.0165698,0.0105591,0.0100104,0.0094528,-0.0014189,0.0020741,0.000863,0.0037558,0.001422,-0.0086644,-0.0079528,0.0005509
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    Switzerland_IA,0.125205,0.153345,0.050534,-0.003876,0.049548,-0.005578,0.0047,-0.002077,0.014726,0.033896,0.001786,0.016335,-0.016353,-0.008945,0.001764,-0.001591,0.009518,0.001647,0.002514,-0.006128,0.005241,0.005688,-0.012078,-0.004338,0.000958
    Tunisia_IA,-0.072847,0.142174,0.003017,-0.072352,0.032621,-0.039602,-0.033607,0.009923,0.090604,0.031345,0.011367,-0.012289,0.026164,-0.015689,0.025515,-0.017369,0.00013,-0.026985,-0.055559,0.007504,-0.013476,-0.045257,0.023294,-0.014098,0.012334
    Turkey_East_IA,0.1013025,0.13811175,-0.057228,-0.066538,-0.02731275,-0.01415375,0.00017625,-0.00628825,-0.021066,-0.004647,0.00280125,0.0011615,0.00211875,-0.00086025,-0.0059375,-0.00238675,-0.0025425,0.00117175,0.00223125,-0.00337675,0.00299475,0.003215,0.00040075,-0.00370525,0.0002695
    Turkey_North-Centralwest_IA,0.1109775,0.15148333,-0.034443667,-0.071113833,-0.0047701667,-0.0250535,0.004426,-0.007961,-0.0119645,0.0206835,0.0030581667,0.0052955,-0.0097621667,-0.0009175,-0.0138435,-0.0062538333,0.0081491667,0.00029566667,0.0050696667,-0.0037518333,-0.0063015,0.0031533333,-0.000041,0.0019278333,0.0011176667
    Turkey_Southeast_IA,0.0928798,0.1358776,-0.0629038,-0.0739024,-0.0256048,-0.0197454,-0.00188,-0.0097844,-0.0148486,-0.0024054,0.0050016,-0.0004196,0.003449,0.003826,-0.0053746,0.0072396,0.0100136,-0.0003296,0.006662,-0.002401,0.0023708,-0.0016568,-0.0047082,-0.0048196,0.0034968
    Turkey_Southwest_IA,0.11221067,0.15850725,-0.0311125,-0.070198667,0.0053598333,-0.025890333,0.00146875,-0.00663425,-0.0052323333,0.032620333,0.0025576667,0.0079055,-0.016303167,-0.00153675,-0.017462583,0.0026738333,0.020187667,0.00092908333,0.0062743333,-0.00394975,-0.0062805833,0.00351375,-0.00082175,0.00061258333,-0.00098783333
    Was just curious added an Arab and ssa source

    Target: Moroccan_Arab
    Distance: 1.6729% / 0.01672888
    53.2 Tunisia_IA
    25.2 Levant_SYR_Tell_Masaikh
    9.8 COG_Kindoki_230BP
    7.2 Turkey_Southwest_IA
    4.6 Turkey_Southeast_IA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassidy1234 View Post
    He never said this. He's simply saying that Jews are admixed with gentiles, esp their women, while also retaining genetic ancestry that goes back to the Levant as well. The Jews that are used in this study are Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews since they make up the majority of world Jewry, and are genetically very similar to one another unlike with Mizrahi Jews who are genetically very heterogenous.
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/h...ern-arabs-jews
    Please explain what you mean when you say "Mizrahi Jews who are genetically very heterogeneous"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qrts View Post
    Please stop making weird, unfounded claims such as this one.

    Iraqi Jews, just like their Mesopotamian counterparts Assyrians and Mandaeans and Muslim Arabs, require significant Iranian input next to Mesopotamian-related ancestry (which has ~10-16% Iran C excess compared to BA Levantines):
    Code:
    > results$weights
    # A tibble: 2 x 5
      target       left                    weight     se     z
      <chr>        <chr>                    <dbl>  <dbl> <dbl>
    1 Jew_Iraqi.HO Iran_DinkhaTepe_BA_IA_1  0.567 0.0563 10.1 
    2 Jew_Iraqi.HO Iranian_Shiraz.HO        0.433 0.0563  7.69
    > 
    > results$popdrop 
    # A tibble: 3 x 13
      pat      wt   dof  chisq        p f4rank Iran_DinkhaTepe_BA_IA_1 Iranian_Shiraz.HO feasible best  dofdiff chisqdiff p_nested
      <chr> <dbl> <dbl>  <dbl>    <dbl>  <dbl>                   <dbl>             <dbl> <lgl>    <lgl>   <dbl>     <dbl>    <dbl>
    1 00        0     5   9.12 1.05e- 1      1                   0.567             0.433 TRUE     NA         NA       NA        NA
    2 01        1     6  67.8  1.18e-12      0                   1                NA     TRUE     TRUE        0     -100.        1
    3 10        1     6 168.   1.18e-33
    They can't be modeled solely with DinkhaTepeA/Iraq LBA:
    Code:
    > results$weights
    # A tibble: 1 x 5
      target       left                    weight       se       z
      <chr>        <chr>                    <dbl>    <dbl>   <dbl>
    1 Jew_Iraqi.HO Iran_DinkhaTepe_BA_IA_1      1 1.14e-13 8.79e12
    > 
    > results$popdrop 
    # A tibble: 1 x 12
      pat      wt   dof chisq             p f4rank Iran_DinkhaTepe_BA_IA_1 feasible best  dofdiff chisqdiff p_nested
      <chr> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl>         <dbl>  <dbl>                   <dbl> <lgl>    <lgl>   <dbl>     <dbl>    <dbl>
    1 0         0     6  51.3 0.00000000263      0                       1 TRUE     NA         NA        NA       NA
    Palestinians are clearly more Levantine:
    Code:
    > results$weights
    # A tibble: 2 x 5
      target         left          weight      se      z
      <chr>          <chr>          <dbl>   <dbl>  <dbl>
    1 Palestinian.DG Samaritan.DG  0.959  0.00842 114.  
    2 Palestinian.DG BantuKenya.HO 0.0413 0.00842   4.91
    > 
    > results$popdrop 
    # A tibble: 3 x 13
      pat      wt   dof    chisq         p f4rank Samaritan.DG BantuKenya.HO feasible best  dofdiff chisqdiff p_nested
      <chr> <dbl> <dbl>    <dbl>     <dbl>  <dbl>        <dbl>         <dbl> <lgl>    <lgl>   <dbl>     <dbl>    <dbl>
    1 00        0     5     4.00 0.550          1        0.959        0.0413 TRUE     NA         NA       NA        NA
    2 01        1     6    28.8  0.0000673      0        1           NA      TRUE     TRUE        0   -13082.        1
    3 10        1     6 13110.   0              0       NA            1      TRUE     TRUE       NA       NA        NA
    Italian Jews are probably more Levantine as well.
    DinkhaTepeA is already levantine rich compared to DinkhaTepeB

    IRN_DinkhaTepe_BIA_A,0.0897305,0.1408202,-0.065116,-0.0811807,-0.0262098,-0.0284002,0.0019975,-0.0070385,-0.0095443,0.0013062,0.005684,-0.0038968,0.0097622,0.0024313,-0.0033928,0.0090603,-0.003477,0.0019427,0.0041478,-0.0015215,0.0041387,0.0036272,-0.0062035,-0.0015665,0.0051492
    IRN_DinkhaTepe_BIA_B,0.0880705,0.1123429,-0.0700972,-0.0295949,-0.053125,-0.0006625,0.0021444,-0.0061728,-0.039192,-0.0212532,0.0070797,-0.001311,0.0010592,-0.005178,0.0056834,0.0114691,-0.0035042,-0.0005384,0.0070075,-0.0073474,0.0018716,-0.0041886,-0.000878,-0.0036149,0.0061221

    DinkhaTepe.jpg

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    Last edited by Aben Aboo; 12-08-2022 at 12:07 AM.
    23andMe, averages
     
    Distance: 0.0164% / 0.01636773 | R6P
    37.8 French_Chalosse
    17.4 BelgianA
    17.2 Berber_MAR_ERR
    12.9 Sicilian_East
    10.7 Polish_Kashubian
    4.0 Shetlandic
    Distance to closest:
    0.02643477 Spanish_CanariasLa_Palma



    Ancestry
     
    Distance: 0.0163% / 0.01634379 | R6P
    32.4 BelgianA
    28.8 French_Chalosse
    17.2 Berber_MAR_ERR
    10.0 Sicilian_East
    8.2 Polish_Kashubian
    3.4 Sardinian
    Distance to closest:
    0.02788822 Spanish_CanariasTenerife

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    It's not far-fetched to suggest that the proportion of Roman period Levantine ancestry is similar in both groups...guess it depends on what references you choose to use.

    Target: Italian_Jew
    Distance: 1.0775% / 0.01077504
    45.6 Levant_Roman
    38.6 Classical_Greek
    7.6 Slavic
    7.4 North_African
    0.8 Central_Asian

    Target: Palestinian
    Distance: 1.0829% / 0.01082854
    45.6 Levant_Roman
    18.6 BedouinB
    14.2 EGY_Late_Period
    10.8 RUS_Alan_MA
    6.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic
    4.2 COG_Kindoki_230BP
    using "Classical_Greek" (which i assume is one of the northern shifted greek samples like Logkas_MBA) to represent the greek or overall east med admixture jews recieved is the same as using natufian-rich JOR_EBA samples to model Palestinians or other heavily natufian/arab shifted levantines. manipulating g25 to suit whatever narrative/agenda you may have



    Target: GRC_Logkas_MBA
    Distance: 0.9058% / 0.00905797
    58.4 EEF
    40.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
    1.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer


    compared to the aegean sample from the same time period

    Target: GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA
    Distance: 1.4307% / 0.01430729
    78.8 EEF
    12.8 Iran_Neolithic
    5.6 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    2.8 Steppe_Pastoralist

    come on lol

    with the same logic i can say that greeks have no slavic admixture

    Target: Greek_Thessaly
    Distance: 1.4584% / 0.01458365
    87.2 GRC_Logkas_MBA
    12.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    Last edited by Abceff; 12-08-2022 at 01:21 PM.
    Target: abceff
    Distance: 1.5588% / 0.01558816
    36.4 EEF
    18.0 Levant_Natufian_contam
    18.0 Taforalt
    10.8 SSA
    9.0 Steppe
    7.8 Iran_N

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abceff View Post
    using "Classical_Greek" (which i assume is one of the northern shifted greek samples like Logkas_MBA) to represent the greek or overall east med admixture jews recieved is the same as using natufian-rich JOR_EBA samples to model Palestinians or other heavily natufian/arab shifted levantines. manipulating g25 to suit whatever narrative/agenda you may have



    Target: GRC_Logkas_MBA
    Distance: 0.9058% / 0.00905797
    58.4 EEF
    40.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
    1.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer


    compared to the aegean sample from the same time period

    Target: GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA
    Distance: 1.4307% / 0.01430729
    78.8 EEF
    12.8 Iran_Neolithic
    5.6 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    2.8 Steppe_Pastoralist

    come on lol

    with the same logic i can say that greeks have no slavic admixture

    Target: Greek_Thessaly
    Distance: 1.4584% / 0.01458365
    87.2 GRC_Logkas_MBA
    12.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    Before making absurd accusations such as "whatever agenda you may have" I happen to have access to the sample, and no, it is not "northern shifted" (assuming you are accusing him of trying to good ole inflate the levantine - no, its absolutely true and authentic)

    Classical_Greek,0.118628889,0.161243556,-0.006662444,-0.062697889,0.025269667,-0.026215667,-0.001488444,-0.003307667,0.006249444,0.043534222,0.003807222,0. 010257556,-0.018169667,-0.001988,-0.018563556,-0.010710333,0.010126444,-0.000225,0.007066889,-0.009546222,-0.009816,0.004479,-0.000342333,0.006265778,-0.005548333

    Distance to: Classical_Greek
    0.02741192 Mycenaean:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041
    0.03927636 Mycenaean:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006
    0.04284378 Minoan:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0071
    0.04404752 Old_Med:ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876
    0.04658944 Mycenaean:GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
    0.04671860 Anatolian:TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2203
    0.04766450 Mycenaean:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
    0.05259995 Minoan:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
    0.05386055 Old_Med:ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3878
    0.05532454 Minoan:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0073
    0.05613986 Old_Med:ITA_Sicily_MBA:I3125
    0.05657566 Anatolian:TUR_Isparta_EBA:I2495
    0.05661294 Minoan:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0074
    0.05776092 Minoan:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I9005
    0.05882049 Anatolian:TUR_Ovaoren_EBA:MA2213
    0.05893959 Anatolian:TUR_Isparta_EBA:I2683
    0.06169942 Old_Med:ITA_Sicily_MBA:I4109
    0.06214622 Old_Med:ITA_Sicily_LBA:I10372
    0.06396288 Old_Med:ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3123
    0.06429322 Anatolian:TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2200
    0.06434050 Old_Med:ITA_Sicily_EBA:I11442
    0.06532601 Old_Med:ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3124
    0.06850506 Anatolian:TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2206
    0.06951626 Anatolian:TUR_Isparta_EBA:I2499
    0.07254954 Canaan_Phoenicia_and_Syria:TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030


    Target: Classical_Greek
    Distance: 0.6673% / 0.00667342
    48.2 Minoan
    13.4 Old_Med
    12.4 Mycenaean
    12.2 Scrubnaya
    10.4 Anatolian
    2.4 Canaan_Phoenicia_and_Syria
    1.0 Knighton

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    Quote Originally Posted by p96767 View Post
    Please explain what you mean when you say "Mizrahi Jews who are genetically very heterogeneous"
    Meaning that they don't form a genetic homogenous grouping as we see in Asheknazi and Sephardic Jews. Not only Mizrahi Jews are different from these two but also are different from each other. Mizrahi Jews like Yemenite Jews or Ethiopian Jewry cluster the closest to Arabians and non0Jewish Ethiopians respectively. Syrian or Levantine Jews as a whole are the most Levantine genetically among western Jewry. In other words, these Mizrahi groups are genetically very diverse and not at all uniform like in the case with European Western Jewish groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abceff View Post
    using "Classical_Greek" (which i assume is one of the northern shifted greek samples like Logkas_MBA) to represent the greek or overall east med admixture jews recieved is the same as using natufian-rich JOR_EBA samples to model Palestinians or other heavily natufian/arab shifted levantines. manipulating g25 to suit whatever narrative/agenda you may have



    Target: GRC_Logkas_MBA
    Distance: 0.9058% / 0.00905797
    58.4 EEF
    40.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
    1.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer


    compared to the aegean sample from the same time period

    Target: GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA
    Distance: 1.4307% / 0.01430729
    78.8 EEF
    12.8 Iran_Neolithic
    5.6 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    2.8 Steppe_Pastoralist

    come on lol

    with the same logic i can say that greeks have no slavic admixture

    Target: Greek_Thessaly
    Distance: 1.4584% / 0.01458365
    87.2 GRC_Logkas_MBA
    12.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    No, and his models are very spot on. Palestinian Muslims are on the same level as Italian Jews in regards to their Levantine ancestries.

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