Could Western Jews (Ash. and Seph.) descend from Aegeans and Levantine admixture?

[Sikeliot]

Did she really state this?

Yes, I will show you exactly where.

Supplementary info page 21: https://static-content.springer.com/...MOESM1_ESM.pdf

In particular, by focusing on the Southern Italian/Balkan genetic framework, the considered level of clustering (K = 14) defines the following groups:

i) a Southern Balkan cluster (cyan in Fig. 3) encompassing all the samples from Albania (Tosk and Gheg), Kosovo and Northern-Greece, most of individuals from Central-Greece and the Peloponnesus as well as several Albanian-speaking Arbereshe from Calabria (ARB_CAL);

ii) an Apulia/West Sicily cluster (AW-Sicily, purple in Fig. 3) frequent in the easternmost provinces of Southern Italy (i.e. Basilicata/Apulia, including Greek-speaking groups of Salento, GRI_SAL) and in the western part of Sicily (including Albanian-speaking Arbereshe from Sicily, ARB_SIC), and including also individuals from both continental and insular Greece;

iii) a Calabria/Central-East Sicily cluster (CE-Sicily, limegreen in Fig. 3) comprehensive of most of Central-Eastern Sicilian and Calabrian individuals, as well as of many Cretan and Anatolian/ Dodecanese Greeks;

iv) private Calabrian Greek (white in Fig. 3) and Cypriot (aquamarine in Fig. 3) clusters.

While Calabrian Greek and Cypriot clusters are highly specific of their corresponding populations, on the other hand the two SSI-clusters (AW-Sicily and CE-Sicily) appear tightly interrelated with each other (Supplementary Fig. S5), showing some degree of admixture within a genetically contiguous area that, additionally to Southern Italy, encompasses also Crete and the Aegean/Dodecanese islands (i.e. what we called the “Mediterranean genetic continuum”). Although not too much emphasis should be therefore given to the “divisive” aspect of these two clusters, some differentiation emerges in the relative proportion to which each cluster is present in West Sicily (and Apulia) or East Sicily (and Calabria) respectively. In addition, one of the two clusters (the AW-Sicily purple one) appears more properly related not only to Crete and the Aegean/Dodecanese Greek islands, but also to Continental Greece, thus providing the framework for a finer exploration of subtle differentiation patterns.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Yes, I will show you exactly where.

Supplementary info page 21: https://static-content.springer.com/...MOESM1_ESM.pdf

It nowhere says that half of Greek islanders plot with Trapani and Apulia, it just says that the latter are closer to continental Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

It nowhere says that half of Greek islanders plot with Trapani and Apulia, it just says that the latter are closer to continental Greeks.

It states Greek islanders fall into two clusters: Trapani/Apulia, and E-C Sicily, but that the Trapani/Apulia cluster is "more properly related to" both island and mainland Greeks, but does not say which islanders fall into that cluster. My belief is most likely NOT most Dodecanese but I am just quoting the study.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

It states Greek islanders fall into two clusters: Trapani/Apulia, and E-C Sicily, but that the Trapani/Apulia cluster is "more properly related to" both island and mainland Greeks, but does not say which islanders fall into that cluster. My belief is most likely NOT most Dodecanese but I am just quoting the study.

Of course, because Trapani and Apulia should be slightly more northern, for this reason it's more related (to islands) but also to mainland Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

Of course, because Trapani and Apulia should be slightly more northern, for this reason it's more related (to islands) but also to mainland Greeks.

Correct. The implication then being that the Aegean islanders with more mainland shift will end up in that cluster, those with less will be in the Calabria/E-C Sicily cluster.

[giorgio]

I actually agree with that - you can view the PCA I plot and see that Palermo is somewhat half way between E. Sicilians, and in some cases cluster a little bit closer to E. Sicilians.

East Sicilians are a slightly diluted version of Calabrese really. Sephardim, too, do not have much northern admixture to pull them away and if we are to believe both groups are fairly equally ancient Aegean it wold make sense they plot together.

The differences here are very exaggerated. I've seen over 20 results from Calabria and at least 50+ from Sicily, but I couldn't tell them apart based on autosomal outcome. On the other hand I can usually easily tell apart an Ashkenazi or Sephardi result from a South Italian without even looking their pedigree chart based on the ratio of components. What I noticed that when it comes to Jewish population their Near Eastern component derives from a Southern Levant based source while Italians almost always get Assyrian or Cypriot or Armenian as secondary population in 2 way breakdown, and this has to do with the Bronze age migrations from Armenia EBA and Anatolia Chalcolithic like populations who once colonized South-East Europe, Aegean and the Northern Middle east in circa the same time. I won't spam 20+ results but I have relatively "average" samples from different corners of Sicily, South Italy and Greece (both Mainland, Islands and Pontus regions/Asia minor which was once ex Hellenic territories in the past)

For example this is what some from Trapani gets in Eurogenes K15

Trapani1

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.22
2 West_Med 19.34
3 Atlantic 14.72
4 West_Asian 14.2
5 North_Sea 10.16
6 Red_Sea 5.66
7 Eastern_Euro 4.05
8 Baltic 1.99
9 Northeast_African 0.67

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.84
2 East_Sicilian 5.33
3 Central_Greek 5.76
4 West_Sicilian 5.78
5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.18
6 Italian_Jewish 6.55
7 Ashkenazi 7.83
8 Sephardic_Jewish 7.93
9 Algerian_Jewish 8.44
10 Tuscan 10.69
11 Greek 10.84
12 Greek_Thessaly 11.57
13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.38
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.85
15 Cyprian 14.73
16 North_Italian 16.98
17 Lebanese_Muslim 18.53
18 Bulgarian 18.59
19 Syrian 19.46
20 Turkish 19.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.3% Cyprian + 37.7% Portuguese @ 3.05
2 61.8% Cyprian + 38.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.12
3 66.1% Cyprian + 33.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.18
4 53.7% Cyprian + 46.3% North_Italian @ 3.2
5 63.8% Cyprian + 36.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.23
6 62.3% Cyprian + 37.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.28
7 63.2% Cyprian + 36.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.37
8 58.6% Tuscan + 41.4% Cyprian @ 3.41
9 52.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 47.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.48
10 64.3% Cyprian + 35.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.55
11 60.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 39.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.64
12 57.4% North_Italian + 42.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.74
13 63.9% Cyprian + 36.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.74
14 63.7% Cyprian + 36.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.81
15 66% Cyprian + 34% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.82
16 69.1% Tuscan + 30.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.83
17 62.2% Cyprian + 37.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.88
18 67.3% Cyprian + 32.7% Southwest_French @ 3.94
19 65.6% Italian_Jewish + 34.4% Tuscan @ 3.98
20 77.3% West_Sicilian + 22.7% Cyprian @ 4.01

Trapani2

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.76
2 West_Med 18.51
3 Atlantic 16.89
4 West_Asian 13.8
5 North_Sea 10.97
6 Red_Sea 6.53
7 Baltic 3.79
8 Eastern_Euro 1.85
9 Northeast_African 1.6
10 Southeast_Asian 0.87
11 Sub-Saharan 0.23
12 Amerindian 0.15
13 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 3.85
2 West_Sicilian 4.24
3 East_Sicilian 4.68
4 Central_Greek 5.86
5 South_Italian 6.19
6 Tuscan 7.13
7 Ashkenazi 7.82
8 Italian_Jewish 9.31
9 Greek 9.57
10 Greek_Thessaly 9.96
11 Sephardic_Jewish 10.23
12 Algerian_Jewish 11.1
13 North_Italian 13.53
14 Tunisian_Jewish 14.62
15 Bulgarian 16.06
16 Libyan_Jewish 16.35
17 Romanian 17.75
18 Cyprian 18.2
19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.84
20 Spanish_Andalucia 20.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.7% Moroccan @ 2.36
2 89.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.55
3 75.9% Tuscan + 24.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.57
4 54.4% Cyprian + 45.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.59
5 89.7% East_Sicilian + 10.3% French_Basque @ 2.6
6 52.2% Cyprian + 47.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.63
7 85.2% East_Sicilian + 14.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.63
8 61.2% North_Italian + 38.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.64
9 89.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.7% Algerian @ 2.66
10 76.5% Tuscan + 23.5% Syrian @ 2.67
11 86.3% East_Sicilian + 13.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.68
12 52.9% Cyprian + 47.1% Portuguese @ 2.71
13 84.1% East_Sicilian + 15.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.74
14 89.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.5% Tunisian @ 2.79
15 84.3% East_Sicilian + 15.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.79
16 78% South_Italian + 22% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.8
17 81% Tuscan + 19% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.84
18 84.1% East_Sicilian + 15.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.84
19 85.4% East_Sicilian + 14.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.86
20 57.6% Cyprian + 42.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.9

Trapani3

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.94
2 West_Med 21.03
3 Atlantic 17.97
4 West_Asian 11.08
5 North_Sea 10.57
6 Baltic 8.17
7 Red_Sea 4.56
8 Northeast_African 1.24
9 Southeast_Asian 0.6
10 Eastern_Euro 0.47
11 Oceanian 0.32
12 Sub-Saharan 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 5.55
2 West_Sicilian 5.64
3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.8
4 East_Sicilian 7.22
5 Central_Greek 7.76
6 Greek 8.09
7 South_Italian 8.11
8 Greek_Thessaly 8.91
9 Ashkenazi 10.43
10 North_Italian 11.21
11 Italian_Jewish 12.05
12 Algerian_Jewish 13.08
13 Sephardic_Jewish 13.28
14 Bulgarian 14.41
15 Romanian 16.48
16 Tunisian_Jewish 17.32
17 Spanish_Andalucia 17.89
18 Spanish_Extremadura 18.21
19 Spanish_Murcia 18.53
20 Portuguese 18.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.4% South_Italian + 24.6% Southwest_French @ 2.88
2 74.8% South_Italian + 25.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.08
3 59% South_Italian + 41% North_Italian @ 3.08
4 70.2% South_Italian + 29.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.1
5 72% South_Italian + 28% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.11
6 72.3% South_Italian + 27.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.3
7 74.8% South_Italian + 25.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.31
8 73.3% South_Italian + 26.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.41
9 62.7% Tuscan + 37.3% South_Italian @ 3.41
10 72.8% South_Italian + 27.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.42
11 71.3% South_Italian + 28.7% Portuguese @ 3.42
12 71.4% South_Italian + 28.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.52
13 71% South_Italian + 29% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.53
14 72.4% South_Italian + 27.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.58
15 73.7% East_Sicilian + 26.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.61
16 81.4% South_Italian + 18.6% French_Basque @ 3.71
17 66% North_Italian + 34% Cyprian @ 3.77
18 83.7% East_Sicilian + 16.3% French_Basque @ 3.79
19 78.1% East_Sicilian + 21.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.79
20 75.8% East_Sicilian + 24.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.8

Here are some from Palermo, not strikingly different but slightly more Eastern shifted compared to Trapani

Palermo1

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.35
2 Atlantic 18.89
3 West_Med 18.09
4 West_Asian 14.27
5 Baltic 6.21
6 Red_Sea 5.75
7 North_Sea 3.15
8 Eastern_Euro 2.16
9 Northeast_African 0.52
10 Sub-Saharan 0.36
11 Oceanian 0.15
12 Amerindian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 6.43
2 West_Sicilian 7.42
3 Sephardic_Jewish 7.77
4 East_Sicilian 8.11
5 Central_Greek 8.48
6 Algerian_Jewish 8.84
7 Italian_Abruzzo 8.99
8 Italian_Jewish 9.04
9 Greek 10.76
10 Ashkenazi 10.8
11 Tunisian_Jewish 11.66
12 Tuscan 13.17
13 Greek_Thessaly 14.41
14 Cyprian 14.46
15 Libyan_Jewish 16.28
16 Lebanese_Muslim 18.43
17 Bulgarian 19.08
18 North_Italian 19.11
19 Syrian 19.69
20 Turkish 19.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.6% Cyprian + 27.4% French_Basque @ 3.71
2 63.7% Cyprian + 36.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.72
3 68.6% Cyprian + 31.4% Southwest_French @ 4.82
4 65.3% Cyprian + 34.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.84
5 67.4% Cyprian + 32.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.85
6 66.2% Cyprian + 33.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.11
7 62.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 37.6% Greek @ 5.36
8 72.9% West_Sicilian + 27.1% Cyprian @ 5.51
9 62.6% Lebanese_Christian + 37.4% French_Basque @ 5.54
10 68.6% Cyprian + 31.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.64
11 87.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 12.5% French_Basque @ 5.74
12 52.7% West_Sicilian + 47.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.8
13 85.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 14.6% Southwest_French @ 5.91
14 82.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 17.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.93
15 66.7% Cyprian + 33.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.99
16 65.3% South_Italian + 34.7% West_Sicilian @ 5.99
17 52.8% Greek + 47.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.99
18 68.1% South_Italian + 31.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6
19 65.4% Cyprian + 34.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 6.01
20 83.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 16.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.01

Palermo2

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.36
2 West_Med 20.93
3 Atlantic 13.94
4 West_Asian 13.35
5 North_Sea 7.61
6 Red_Sea 5.08
7 Baltic 5.02
8 Northeast_African 1.03
9 Southeast_Asian 0.58
10 Oceanian 0.54
11 South_Asian 0.32
12 Amerindian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.52
2 Italian_Jewish 5.69
3 East_Sicilian 6.12
4 Algerian_Jewish 6.61
5 Central_Greek 6.86
6 Sephardic_Jewish 7.32
7 West_Sicilian 7.41
8 Italian_Abruzzo 8.84
9 Ashkenazi 9.45
10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.9
11 Greek 11.57
12 Tuscan 12.56
13 Greek_Thessaly 12.6
14 Libyan_Jewish 12.83
15 Cyprian 13.25
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.96
17 North_Italian 18.79
18 Syrian 18.95
19 Samaritan 19.8
20 Bulgarian 19.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93% South_Italian + 7% Sardinian @ 2.69
2 74.7% South_Italian + 25.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.89
3 73.6% South_Italian + 26.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.07
4 95.5% South_Italian + 4.5% Moroccan @ 3.3
5 91.2% South_Italian + 8.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.31
6 95.8% South_Italian + 4.2% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.34
7 95.4% South_Italian + 4.6% Tunisian @ 3.35
8 90.8% South_Italian + 9.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.36
9 95.7% South_Italian + 4.3% Algerian @ 3.36
10 89.3% South_Italian + 10.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.43
11 97.4% South_Italian + 2.6% Samaritan @ 3.48
12 98.6% South_Italian + 1.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.48
13 98.1% South_Italian + 1.9% Egyptian @ 3.48
14 97.6% South_Italian + 2.4% Cyprian @ 3.5
15 99.7% South_Italian + 0.3% NAN_Melanesian @ 3.51
16 99.8% South_Italian + 0.2% Papuan @ 3.51
17 99.8% South_Italian + 0.2% Dai @ 3.51
18 97.3% South_Italian + 2.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.51
19 99.8% South_Italian + 0.2% Vietnamese @ 3.51
20 99.2% South_Italian + 0.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.51

Palermo3

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.05
2 Atlantic 18.88
3 West_Med 17.02
4 West_Asian 15.98
5 North_Sea 10.16
6 Baltic 5.85
7 Red_Sea 5.29
8 Eastern_Euro 2.15
9 Southeast_Asian 1.5
10 Sub-Saharan 0.57
11 Northeast_African 0.33
12 Oceanian 0.23
13 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 3.89
2 West_Sicilian 6.54
3 Central_Greek 6.82
4 East_Sicilian 6.98
5 Tuscan 7.12
6 South_Italian 8.32
7 Greek 8.39
8 Ashkenazi 9.62
9 Greek_Thessaly 9.92
10 North_Italian 12.84
11 Italian_Jewish 12.9
12 Sephardic_Jewish 13.03
13 Bulgarian 13.8
14 Algerian_Jewish 14.42
15 Romanian 15.56
16 Tunisian_Jewish 17.56
17 Serbian 18.62
18 Spanish_Andalucia 19.15
19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.27
20 Spanish_Murcia 19.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 40.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.97
2 52.6% Southwest_French + 47.4% Assyrian @ 2.98
3 58.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 41.2% Assyrian @ 3.08
4 75.7% Tuscan + 24.3% Turkish @ 3.2
5 93.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 6.2% French_Basque @ 3.25
6 57.4% Spanish_Valencia + 42.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.34
7 53.6% Spanish_Cantabria + 46.4% Assyrian @ 3.35
8 90.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 9.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.36
9 91.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 8.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.41
10 92.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 7.1% Southwest_French @ 3.42
11 69% North_Italian + 31% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.42
12 92.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 7.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.43
13 92.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 7.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.46
14 53.9% Spanish_Aragon + 46.1% Assyrian @ 3.48
15 92.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 7.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.48
16 86.7% Tuscan + 13.3% Abhkasian @ 3.49
17 56.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 43.9% Assyrian @ 3.49
18 85.6% Tuscan + 14.4% Georgian @ 3.52
19 92.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 7.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.52
20 56.9% Spanish_Valencia + 43.1% Assyrian @ 3.55

Palermo4

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.4
2 West_Med 20.35
3 West_Asian 15.99
4 Atlantic 13.45
5 North_Sea 8.39
6 Red_Sea 5.49
7 Northeast_African 2.86
8 Baltic 2.52
9 Southeast_Asian 1.22
10 Oceanian 0.31
11 South_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.51
2 East_Sicilian 5.93
3 Italian_Jewish 6.32
4 Central_Greek 7.07
5 Sephardic_Jewish 7.8
6 Algerian_Jewish 7.99
7 West_Sicilian 8.14
8 Italian_Abruzzo 8.46
9 Ashkenazi 9.32
10 Tunisian_Jewish 11.11
11 Greek 12.67
12 Libyan_Jewish 12.67
13 Tuscan 12.83
14 Greek_Thessaly 13.24
15 Cyprian 13.56
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.32
17 Syrian 18.22
18 Turkish 18.85
19 North_Italian 19.05
20 Samaritan 20.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% South_Italian + 2.3% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 3.98
2 97.2% South_Italian + 2.8% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 4.01
3 97.2% South_Italian + 2.8% Somali @ 4.02
4 97.1% South_Italian + 2.9% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 4.03
5 96.7% South_Italian + 3.3% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 4.05
6 96.9% South_Italian + 3.1% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 4.07
7 92.8% South_Italian + 7.2% Moroccan @ 4.07
8 73.2% South_Italian + 26.8% Italian_Jewish @ 4.16
9 98.1% South_Italian + 1.9% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 4.18
10 93.9% South_Italian + 6.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.2
11 88% South_Italian + 12% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.2
12 93.5% South_Italian + 6.5% Algerian @ 4.21
13 98.2% South_Italian + 1.8% Hadza @ 4.23
14 98.1% South_Italian + 1.9% Maasai @ 4.26
15 95.4% South_Italian + 4.6% Sardinian @ 4.26
16 98.3% South_Italian + 1.7% Sandawe @ 4.3
17 94.3% South_Italian + 5.7% Tunisian @ 4.3
18 84.4% South_Italian + 15.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.33
19 89.5% South_Italian + 10.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.35
20 98.6% South_Italian + 1.4% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 4.35

Here are some from Messina

Messina1

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.2
2 West_Med 17.22
3 West_Asian 14.99
4 Atlantic 13.9
5 North_Sea 10.43
6 Red_Sea 5.78
7 Baltic 4.23
8 Eastern_Euro 2.7
9 Northeast_African 1.33
10 Siberian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 3.12
2 South_Italian 3.18
3 Central_Greek 3.8
4 Italian_Abruzzo 5.1
5 West_Sicilian 5.91
6 Ashkenazi 6.01
7 Italian_Jewish 6.29
8 Sephardic_Jewish 7.46
9 Algerian_Jewish 8.53
10 Greek 9.84
11 Greek_Thessaly 10.26
12 Tuscan 10.9
13 Tunisian_Jewish 11.68
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.21
15 Cyprian 13.98
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.15
17 Bulgarian 17.36
18 North_Italian 17.48
19 Syrian 18.11
20 Turkish 18.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 26.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.9
2 56% Italian_Abruzzo + 44% Italian_Jewish @ 2
3 65.1% Central_Greek + 34.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.07
4 67.2% Cyprian + 32.8% French @ 2.12
5 56.4% Tuscan + 43.6% Cyprian @ 2.26
6 63.9% Cyprian + 36.1% Portuguese @ 2.26
7 65.3% Cyprian + 34.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.27
8 81.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 18.3% Samaritan @ 2.28
9 64.6% Cyprian + 35.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.32
10 75.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 24.7% Cyprian @ 2.38
11 67.1% Tuscan + 32.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.39
12 61.5% Tuscan + 38.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.44
13 69.1% Tuscan + 30.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.46
14 55.7% Cyprian + 44.3% North_Italian @ 2.48
15 64.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 35.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.49
16 69.2% South_Italian + 30.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.5
17 75.7% East_Sicilian + 24.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.51
18 71.1% Central_Greek + 28.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.51
19 83% Italian_Abruzzo + 17% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.52
20 73.7% South_Italian + 26.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.52

Messina2

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.45
2 West_Med 21
3 West_Asian 15.04
4 Atlantic 11.26
5 North_Sea 10.8
6 Red_Sea 6.02
7 Baltic 3.87
8 Northeast_African 1.98
9 Siberian 0.45
10 Oceanian 0.1
11 Amerindian 0.01
12 Sub-Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.62
2 East_Sicilian 5.4
3 Central_Greek 6.42
4 Italian_Jewish 6.61
5 Ashkenazi 8.49
6 Algerian_Jewish 8.59
7 Italian_Abruzzo 8.59
8 West_Sicilian 8.69
9 Sephardic_Jewish 8.84
10 Greek_Thessaly 11.6
11 Tunisian_Jewish 12.14
12 Libyan_Jewish 12.25
13 Greek 12.37
14 Tuscan 12.45
15 Cyprian 13.99
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.9
17 Syrian 18.54
18 North_Italian 18.68
19 Turkish 19.78
20 Bulgarian 19.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.9% South_Italian + 15.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.14
2 93.4% South_Italian + 6.6% Moroccan @ 4.27
3 95% South_Italian + 5% Sardinian @ 4.33
4 93.4% South_Italian + 6.6% Algerian @ 4.33
5 76.3% South_Italian + 23.7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.36
6 98.1% South_Italian + 1.9% Somali @ 4.42
7 97.8% South_Italian + 2.2% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 4.42
8 98.2% South_Italian + 1.8% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 4.43
9 97.9% South_Italian + 2.1% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 4.44
10 95.2% South_Italian + 4.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.44
11 98.2% South_Italian + 1.8% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 4.44
12 98.6% South_Italian + 1.4% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 4.45
13 96% South_Italian + 4% Tunisian @ 4.53
14 99% South_Italian + 1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 4.53
15 77.4% South_Italian + 22.6% East_Sicilian @ 4.54
16 98.9% South_Italian + 1.1% Maasai @ 4.55
17 99% South_Italian + 1% Hadza @ 4.55
18 97% South_Italian + 3% Egyptian @ 4.56
19 99.1% South_Italian + 0.9% Sandawe @ 4.57
20 91.3% South_Italian + 8.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.57

Messina3

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.97
2 West_Med 17.45
3 West_Asian 16.11
4 Atlantic 14.73
5 Baltic 6.26
6 Red_Sea 6.22
7 North_Sea 6.07
8 Eastern_Euro 1.65
9 Sub-Saharan 1.04
10 Siberian 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 2.93
2 East_Sicilian 4.97
3 Central_Greek 5.1
4 Sephardic_Jewish 6.66
5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.21
6 Italian_Jewish 7.33
7 West_Sicilian 7.49
8 Ashkenazi 7.78
9 Algerian_Jewish 8.03
10 Greek 10
11 Tunisian_Jewish 10.96
12 Greek_Thessaly 12.05
13 Cyprian 12.32
14 Tuscan 12.9
15 Libyan_Jewish 14.27
16 Lebanese_Muslim 16.05
17 Syrian 17.2
18 Turkish 17.21
19 Bulgarian 18.16
20 North_Italian 19.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.3% Cyprian + 27.7% Southwest_French @ 2.67
2 93.5% South_Italian + 6.5% Turkish @ 2.68
3 84% South_Italian + 16% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.69
4 93.5% South_Italian + 6.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.72
5 91.8% South_Italian + 8.2% Cyprian @ 2.73
6 95.6% South_Italian + 4.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.74
7 95.5% South_Italian + 4.5% Azeri @ 2.75
8 96.2% South_Italian + 3.8% Iranian @ 2.75
9 94.3% South_Italian + 5.7% Syrian @ 2.75
10 96.1% South_Italian + 3.9% Kurdish @ 2.75
11 95.7% South_Italian + 4.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.75
12 95.7% South_Italian + 4.3% Assyrian @ 2.78
13 96.1% South_Italian + 3.9% Bedouin @ 2.78
14 96.2% South_Italian + 3.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.79
15 97.5% South_Italian + 2.5% Saudi @ 2.79
16 97.6% South_Italian + 2.4% Adygei @ 2.8
17 97.6% South_Italian + 2.4% Kabardin @ 2.8
18 97.8% South_Italian + 2.2% North_Ossetian @ 2.81
19 96.2% South_Italian + 3.8% Palestinian @ 2.81
20 96.1% South_Italian + 3.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.81

Messina4

 

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Kit A650521

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.58
2 West_Med 20.85
3 West_Asian 13.37
4 Atlantic 13.07
5 North_Sea 7.62
6 Red_Sea 6.74
7 Baltic 3.61
8 Eastern_Euro 2.55
9 Northeast_African 1.6
10 Amerindian 0.01
11 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.28
2 Italian_Jewish 4.83
3 East_Sicilian 5.48
4 Algerian_Jewish 5.92
5 Sephardic_Jewish 6.38
6 Central_Greek 6.63
7 West_Sicilian 7.19
8 Ashkenazi 8.08
9 Italian_Abruzzo 8.62
10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.24
11 Greek 11.57
12 Libyan_Jewish 11.78
13 Greek_Thessaly 12.45
14 Tuscan 12.56
15 Cyprian 12.88
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.37
17 Syrian 18.03
18 North_Italian 18.86
19 Samaritan 19.14
20 Bulgarian 19.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.5% Cyprian + 29.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.04
2 53.8% Algerian_Jewish + 46.2% Central_Greek @ 3.09
3 67.3% Cyprian + 32.7% Portuguese @ 3.11
4 63.1% South_Italian + 36.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.12
5 55.9% South_Italian + 44.1% Italian_Jewish @ 3.17
6 59.8% Cyprian + 40.2% North_Italian @ 3.21
7 66.9% Cyprian + 33.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.23
8 52.8% East_Sicilian + 47.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.24
9 68.1% Cyprian + 31.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.31
10 89.7% Italian_Jewish + 10.3% Sardinian @ 3.37
11 67% Cyprian + 33% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.37
12 90.2% South_Italian + 9.8% Moroccan @ 3.39
13 62.4% Italian_Jewish + 37.6% Central_Greek @ 3.39
14 76.4% Italian_Jewish + 23.6% Greek @ 3.41
15 55.8% Italian_Jewish + 44.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.45
16 67.4% Cyprian + 32.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.49
17 50.7% Tuscan + 49.3% Cyprian @ 3.49
18 69% Cyprian + 31% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.51
19 71.4% Cyprian + 28.6% Southwest_French @ 3.53
20 62.4% Algerian_Jewish + 37.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.54

Here comes the Calabrese, I don't see they shift differently than East Sicilians, maybe slight increase in East Med and the decrease of North African shift which is common for Sicily, altough there are exceptional cases when a Calabrese have North African shift and a Sicilian KIT looks like a regular continental Italian, like in some aforementioned cases, but in reality I think the smaller towns have more unique results because larger cities received migrations from all over South Italy within the last 200 years which screws the results and give a more heterogeneous genetic profile of a certain region, where as in Isolated towns it's common that people virtually score the same results.

Calabria, in more details from Reggio Calabria

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.32
2 West_Med 17.72
3 West_Asian 15.16
4 Atlantic 12.99
5 North_Sea 9.23
6 Red_Sea 7.59
7 Northeast_African 2.99
8 Baltic 2.83
9 Eastern_Euro 1.83
10 Oceanian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 4.24
2 South_Italian 4.57
3 Italian_Jewish 5.02
4 Central_Greek 6.06
5 Sephardic_Jewish 6.18
6 Ashkenazi 6.64
7 West_Sicilian 7.3
8 Algerian_Jewish 7.34
9 Italian_Abruzzo 7.36
10 Tunisian_Jewish 9.81
11 Libyan_Jewish 11.2
12 Greek 11.98
13 Greek_Thessaly 12.23
14 Tuscan 12.53
15 Cyprian 13.07
16 Lebanese_Muslim 15.97
17 Syrian 16.52
18 Turkish 18.06
19 Samaritan 18.95
20 North_Italian 19.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 38.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.56
2 56.2% East_Sicilian + 43.8% Italian_Jewish @ 2.61
3 74.8% East_Sicilian + 25.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.83
4 77.6% East_Sicilian + 22.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.86
5 64.1% East_Sicilian + 35.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.96
6 90.4% Italian_Jewish + 9.6% Chechen @ 2.99
7 66.7% Cyprian + 33.3% Portuguese @ 3.03
8 62.7% Italian_Jewish + 37.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.07
9 94.5% South_Italian + 5.5% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.1
10 67.4% Cyprian + 32.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.1
11 57% Italian_Jewish + 43% Central_Greek @ 3.12
12 94.7% South_Italian + 5.3% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.14
13 90.2% Italian_Jewish + 9.8% Kabardin @ 3.17
14 90.4% Italian_Jewish + 9.6% Tabassaran @ 3.17
15 90.3% Italian_Jewish + 9.7% Balkar @ 3.2
16 70.5% East_Sicilian + 29.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.21
17 91% Italian_Jewish + 9% North_Ossetian @ 3.24
18 90.7% Italian_Jewish + 9.3% Ossetian @ 3.24
19 90.4% Italian_Jewish + 9.6% Lezgin @ 3.27
20 95.6% South_Italian + 4.4% Somali @ 3.28

Calabria2 (This one is the most Jewish shifted Calabrese I know, Surname is Morabito which probably comes from the Arabic Murabi, so partial Arabic ancestry isn't excluded)

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.23
2 West_Med 17.66
3 Atlantic 14.17
4 West_Asian 12.43
5 Red_Sea 9.63
6 North_Sea 4.68
7 Eastern_Euro 3.33
8 Baltic 1.91
9 Sub-Saharan 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.58
11 Siberian 0.52
12 Southeast_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 2.74
2 Algerian_Jewish 4.06
3 Italian_Jewish 4.54
4 Tunisian_Jewish 6.6
5 South_Italian 7.97
6 East_Sicilian 9.25
7 West_Sicilian 9.86
8 Ashkenazi 10.11
9 Central_Greek 10.4
10 Libyan_Jewish 10.42
11 Cyprian 10.55
12 Italian_Abruzzo 11.73
13 Lebanese_Muslim 14.59
14 Greek 14.94
15 Syrian 15.12
16 Samaritan 15.62
17 Tuscan 16.35
18 Greek_Thessaly 16.57
19 Jordanian 17.19
20 Palestinian 17.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 3.6% Sardinian @ 2.43
2 74.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 25.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.5
3 99% Sephardic_Jewish + 1% Mari @ 2.68
4 99% Sephardic_Jewish + 1% Chuvash @ 2.7
5 99.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 0.5% Selkup @ 2.71
6 98.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 1.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.71
7 98.9% Sephardic_Jewish + 1.1% Southwest_French @ 2.71
8 99.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 0.8% French_Basque @ 2.72
9 99% Sephardic_Jewish + 1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.72
10 98.9% Sephardic_Jewish + 1.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.72
11 99% Sephardic_Jewish + 1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.72
12 98.9% Sephardic_Jewish + 1.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.72
13 96.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 3.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.72
14 99.6% Sephardic_Jewish + 0.4% Ket @ 2.72
15 98.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 1.5% Tunisian @ 2.72
16 98.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 1.3% North_Italian @ 2.72
17 99.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 0.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.73
18 98.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 1.8% Greek @ 2.73
19 98.9% Sephardic_Jewish + 1.1% Moroccan @ 2.73
20 99.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 0.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.73

This one is from Crotone, Calabria and particulary from an Arberesche founded town so her Balkan shift isn't surprising.

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.99
2 West_Med 18.27
3 Atlantic 12.61
4 North_Sea 11.65
5 West_Asian 9.27
6 Baltic 6.3
7 Red_Sea 4.98
8 Eastern_Euro 4.97
9 Northeast_African 1.15
10 Siberian 0.81

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 6.27
2 West_Sicilian 6.46
3 Ashkenazi 6.65
4 Central_Greek 6.7
5 South_Italian 7.08
6 Italian_Jewish 7.85
7 Italian_Abruzzo 8.06
8 Greek_Thessaly 8.87
9 Greek 9.15
10 Algerian_Jewish 9.18
11 Sephardic_Jewish 10.01
12 Tuscan 10.65
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.46
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.61
15 Bulgarian 16.28
16 Cyprian 16.46
17 North_Italian 16.49
18 Romanian 18.18
19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.22
20 Serbian 20.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.3% Italian_Jewish + 16.7% Ukrainian @ 3.69
2 51% Greek_Thessaly + 49% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.75
3 53.8% Italian_Jewish + 46.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.75
4 80.1% Italian_Jewish + 19.9% Hungarian @ 3.82
5 74.8% Italian_Jewish + 25.2% Serbian @ 3.86
6 79.3% Italian_Jewish + 20.7% Moldavian @ 3.89
7 83.2% Italian_Jewish + 16.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.9
8 85.9% Italian_Jewish + 14.1% Estonian @ 3.91
9 83.5% Italian_Jewish + 16.5% South_Polish @ 3.91
10 76.9% Algerian_Jewish + 23.1% Hungarian @ 3.94
11 80.6% Italian_Jewish + 19.4% Croatian @ 3.94
12 84.5% Italian_Jewish + 15.5% Polish @ 3.95
13 85.3% Italian_Jewish + 14.7% East_Finnish @ 4.02
14 71% Algerian_Jewish + 29% Serbian @ 4.04
15 85.1% Italian_Jewish + 14.9% Finnish @ 4.05
16 85.4% Italian_Jewish + 14.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.1
17 85% Italian_Jewish + 15% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.11
18 82.3% Italian_Jewish + 17.7% East_German @ 4.12
19 85.5% Italian_Jewish + 14.5% Estonian_Polish @ 4.13
20 82.5% Algerian_Jewish + 17.5% North_Swedish @ 4.15

From Castagna, Catanzaro - Nothing extraordinary about this result but displays a quite average result from Calabria from based on the vast majority kits I've seen.

 

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.37
2 West_Med 22.71
3 West_Asian 15.34
4 Atlantic 11.67
5 North_Sea 7.95
6 Red_Sea 5.48
7 Baltic 4.34
8 Northeast_African 1.62
9 Southeast_Asian 0.34
10 Eastern_Euro 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.79
2 East_Sicilian 6.7
3 Italian_Jewish 6.98
4 Central_Greek 7.37
5 Algerian_Jewish 7.98
6 Sephardic_Jewish 8.7
7 West_Sicilian 9.41
8 Ashkenazi 9.92
9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.93
10 Tunisian_Jewish 11.87
11 Greek 12.61
12 Libyan_Jewish 12.83
13 Greek_Thessaly 12.94
14 Cyprian 13.07
15 Tuscan 13.62
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.87
17 Syrian 18.7
18 North_Italian 19.73
19 Samaritan 19.73
20 Turkish 20.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.2% South_Italian + 8.8% Sardinian @ 3.86
2 93.6% South_Italian + 6.4% Moroccan @ 4.47
3 88.4% South_Italian + 11.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.52
4 82.2% South_Italian + 17.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.58
5 94.9% South_Italian + 5.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.59
6 94.4% South_Italian + 5.6% Algerian @ 4.59
7 80.4% South_Italian + 19.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.62
8 95.7% South_Italian + 4.3% Tunisian @ 4.68
9 93.2% South_Italian + 6.8% Cyprian @ 4.71
10 95.8% South_Italian + 4.2% Samaritan @ 4.71
11 95.2% South_Italian + 4.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.76
12 99.1% South_Italian + 0.9% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 4.76
13 97.6% South_Italian + 2.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.76
14 99.3% South_Italian + 0.7% Somali @ 4.76
15 99.5% South_Italian + 0.5% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 4.76
16 99.4% South_Italian + 0.6% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 4.77
17 99.3% South_Italian + 0.7% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 4.77
18 98.2% South_Italian + 1.8% Egyptian @ 4.77
19 99.3% South_Italian + 0.7% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 4.77
20 99.8% South_Italian + 0.2% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 4.79

All results used on this K15 PCA plot map used by this calculator: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

[Erikl86]

The differences here are very exaggerated.

Agreed, this is also something I've told Sikeliot. If Greek and Turkish Cypriots are basically the same, then of course two island populations (E. Sicilians and W. Sicilians) with the same language and religion will be the same. What is being discussed here are very slight trends.

On the other hand I can usually easily tell apart an Ashkenazi or Sephardi result from a South Italian without even looking their pedigree chart based on the ratio of components.

I don't know how you can claim this, when some of the oracles you put down below get less than 1 genetic distance difference between Sicilians and Jews:

1 South_Italian 4.28
2 Italian_Jewish 4.83
3 East_Sicilian 5.48

1 East_Sicilian 4.24
2 South_Italian 4.57
3 Italian_Jewish 5.02


1 Sephardic_Jewish 2.74
2 Algerian_Jewish 4.06
3 Italian_Jewish 4.54


1 East_Sicilian 6.27
2 West_Sicilian 6.46
3 Ashkenazi 6.65


1 South_Italian 4.79
2 East_Sicilian 6.7
3 Italian_Jewish 6.98

What I noticed that when it comes to Jewish population their Near Eastern component derives from a Southern Levant

Wrong, Western Jews do not cluster with South Levantines, but with Northern Levantines (Druze, Christian Lebanese, Armenians).

I've already linked to a study which confirms this. Also, in all their oracles, they get N. Levantines in their 2 way breakdown before any S. Levantine show up.

based source while Italians almost always get Assyrian or Cypriot or Armenian as secondary population in 2 way breakdown, and this has to do with the Bronze age migrations from Armenia EBA and Anatolia Chalcolithic like populations who once colonized South-East Europe, Aegean and the Northern Middle east in circa the same time. I won't spam 20+ results but I have relatively "average" samples from different corners of Sicily, South Italy and Greece (both Mainland, Islands and Pontus regions/Asia minor which was once ex Hellenic territories in the past)

So many wrong statements in one paragraph...

First, in your own samples, there are no Assyrians before Levantines in all samples but Palermo3.

Second, all current studies show Cypriots are close to Lebanese, not Assyrians. So your attempt to put them together with Assyrians is simply bad science. Basically, Cypriots are Greeks admixed with Lebanese-like Levantines:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0179474

Which states:

Lebanese patrilinages also appear very close to Cypriot (both GCy and TCy).patrilinages in terms of paternal ancestry. The high genetic affinity between Cypriots and Lebanese can be explained through several migrations that took place from coastal Levant to Cyprus from the Neolithic (early farmers)[1] to the Iron Age (Phoenicians)[3] and up to the Middle Ages (Maronites and other Levantine settlers during the Frankish era)[4]. A previous study analyzing detailed SNP data for determining ancient ancestry among Cypriots, revealed that around 24% of Cypriot patrilinages are descendent from the Levant, derived from migrations occurring from the Neolithic and throughout the Bronze and Iron Ages

Also, you last sentence which says:

Armenia EBA and Anatolia Chalcolithic like populations who once colonized South-East Europe, Aegean and the Northern Middle east in circa the same time.

Modern Assyrians or Levantines (or even modern day Armenians) do not cluster with EBA Armenians or Chalcolithic Anatolians. Mycenaeans, the so-called Anatolian population that colonized Greece in the Bronze Age, resemble BA Anatolians.


I think you have an agenda to somehow portray Jews as Arab-like (which they are not), and negate any Levantine admixture among Italians and Greeks.

[giorgio]

Wrong, Western Jews do not cluster with South Levantines, but with Northern Levantines (Druze, Christian Lebanese, Armenians).

Nobody said Western Jews cluster with Southern Levantines, but the main Levantine source in Jews derives from a Soutern Levantine like (Samaritan, Palestin Christian, Jordanian) like source different than what you have in South Italians and Greek Islanders, if you carefully see the oracles then you see that most of the Sicilians especially the ones from Messina gets something like 70% Cypriot + 30% Iberian as a breakdown, where as in Ashkenazi Jews it's usually a Southern Levantine population (Samaritan, Leb Christian, Palestin Chris, Syrian, Jordanian etc.) Sicilians and Greek Islanders sometimes get Assyrians as secondary or third source as the most accurate breakdown of their ancestry. Northern Levantines and Anatolians have higher Anatolia BA, Iran CHL and Anatolia CHL derived ancestry which is also dominant/high in some Greek Islander and South Italian samples.

I've already linked to a study which confirms this. Also, in all their oracles, they get N. Levantines in their 2 way breakdown before any S. Levantine show up.

Yes, but their distance is far, not a single South Italian I've seen gets any Levantine below 10 and some gets Turkish higher than Levantines, while Cypriots are far closer than any Levant population as excepted, also notice that how Northern Africans plot further away despite the geographical distance between Sicily and Tunisia is just a few hundred miles.

I think you have an agenda to somehow portray Jews as Arab-like (which they are not), and negate any Levantine admixture among Italians and Greeks

I'm not sure what excatly Arab like means but if you refer to Palestinians, Jordanians, Samaritans then they have the strongest links to Western Jews, given the Near Eastern derived ancestry primary comes from Southern Levantine populations, and not from Assyrians, Cypriots and Anatolians in the case of Ashkenazi and Western Sephardic Jews. I think Mizrachi Jews have stronger links to Assyrians and the Northern Levant.

[Erikl86]

Nobody said Western Jews cluster with Southern Levantines, but the main Levantine source in Jews derives from a Soutern Levantine like (Samaritan, Palestin Christian, Jordanian) like source different than what you have in South Italians and Greek Islanders, if you carefully see the oracles then you see that most of the Sicilians especially the ones from Messina gets something like 70% Cypriot + 30% Iberian as a breakdown, where as in Ashkenazi Jews it's usually a Southern Levantine population (Samaritan, Leb Christian, Palestin Chris, Syrian, Jordanian etc.) Sicilians and Greek Islanders sometimes get Assyrians as secondary or third source as the most accurate breakdown of their ancestry. Northern Levantines and Anatolians have higher Anatolia BA, Iran CHL and Anatolia CHL derived ancestry which is also dominant/high in some Greek Islander and South Italian samples.



Yes, but their distance is far, not a single South Italian I've seen gets any Levantine below 10 and some gets Turkish higher than Levantines, while Cypriots are far closer than any Levant population as excepted, also notice that how Northern Africans plot further away despite the geographical distance between Sicily and Tunisia is just a few hundred miles.




I'm not sure what excatly Arab like means but if you refer to Palestinians, Jordanians, Samaritans then they have the strongest links to Western Jews, given the Near Eastern derived ancestry primary comes from Southern Levantine populations, and not from Assyrians, Cypriots and Anatolians in the case of Ashkenazi and Western Sephardic Jews. I think Mizrachi Jews have stronger links to Assyrians and the Northern Levant.

You are mixing populations here.

First, Cypriots are not Levantines. The reason why many Sicilians and S. Italians get Cypriots, is not because they cluster with a Northern Levantine Cypriot, it's because Cypriots are Greeks mixed with Levantines - it's the Greek part that make them cluster with S. Italians and Sicilians.

Also, Cypriots themselves, in terms of closest Levantine population, cluster with Lebanese and Samaritans and Druze, which you seem to define as a South Levantine populations ("Southern Levantine population (Samaritan, Leb Christian, Palestin Chris, Syrian, Jordanian etc.)").

Assyrians aren't Levantines - they are Mesopotamian, and they cluster closer to Anatolians and Armenians than to Levantines.

Also, I've seen many Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews also get Kurdish Jews, Assyrians etc. in their oracles.

[Erikl86]

Cypriots get oracles mixes with Lebanese and Druze, not Assyrians or Armenians:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cyprian 4.05
2 Tunisian_Jewish 7.94
3 Lebanese_Muslim 7.96
4 Sephardic_Jewish 8.47
5 Libyan_Jewish 9.21
6 Italian_Jewish 9.52
7 Algerian_Jewish 9.77
8 Samaritan 10.24
9 Syrian 10.44
10 Lebanese_Christian 10.63
11 Lebanese_Druze 10.75
12 South_Italian 11.95
13 Ashkenazi 12.5
14 Palestinian 13.02
15 Jordanian 13.38
16 East_Sicilian 13.64
17 Central_Greek 14.58
18 Kurdish_Jewish 15.08
19 Iranian_Jewish 15.3
20 Assyrian 15.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Lebanese_Christian + 47% South_Italian @ 2.14
2 52.8% Lebanese_Druze + 47.2% South_Italian @ 2.35
3 61.7% Italian_Jewish + 38.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.35
4 71.4% Cyprian + 28.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.42
5 62.2% Italian_Jewish + 37.8% Assyrian @ 2.44
6 62.2% Italian_Jewish + 37.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.57
7 74.6% Cyprian + 25.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.6
8 62.8% Lebanese_Christian + 37.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.74
9 62.6% Lebanese_Christian + 37.4% West_Sicilian @ 2.81
10 81% Cyprian + 19% Ashkenazi @ 2.87
11 72.2% Cyprian + 27.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.89
12 94.9% Cyprian + 5.1% Southeast_English @ 2.89
13 95.2% Cyprian + 4.8% West_Scottish @ 2.9
14 95.1% Cyprian + 4.9% Danish @ 2.92
15 95.1% Cyprian + 4.9% Southwest_English @ 2.93
16 75% Lebanese_Christian + 25% North_Italian @ 2.93
17 95.1% Cyprian + 4.9% Orcadian @ 2.94
18 95.2% Cyprian + 4.8% Irish @ 2.94
19 70.2% Lebanese_Christian + 29.8% Tuscan @ 2.96
20 61.4% Algerian_Jewish + 38.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.96

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cyprian 11.95
2 Lebanese_Christian 12.45
3 Lebanese_Druze 13.12
4 Samaritan 13.73
5 Lebanese_Muslim 15.95
6 Tunisian_Jewish 18.26
7 Kurdish_Jewish 18.68
8 Syrian 18.69
9 Palestinian 18.96
10 Assyrian 18.99
11 Libyan_Jewish 19.03
12 Iranian_Jewish 19.04
13 Algerian_Jewish 19.04
14 Jordanian 19.38
15 Italian_Jewish 19.38
16 Sephardic_Jewish 20.26
17 Ashkenazi 21.8
18 Georgian_Jewish 22.52
19 South_Italian 22.62
20 Armenian 24.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.5% Cyprian + 37.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 11.24
2 57.6% Cyprian + 42.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 11.33
3 87.8% Lebanese_Druze + 12.2% Sardinian @ 11.6
4 91.8% Lebanese_Christian + 8.2% Sardinian @ 11.81
5 79.6% Cyprian + 20.4% Samaritan @ 11.81
6 100% Cyprian + 0% Yemenite_Jewish @ 11.95
7 100% Cyprian + 0% Abhkasian @ 11.95
8 100% Cyprian + 0% Adygei @ 11.95
9 100% Cyprian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 11.95
10 100% Cyprian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 11.95
11 100% Cyprian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 11.95
12 100% Cyprian + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 11.95
13 100% Cyprian + 0% Algerian @ 11.95
14 100% Cyprian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 11.95
15 100% Cyprian + 0% Altaian @ 11.95
16 100% Cyprian + 0% Armenian @ 11.95
17 100% Cyprian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 11.95
18 100% Cyprian + 0% Assyrian @ 11.95
19 100% Cyprian + 0% Austrian @ 11.95
20 100% Cyprian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 11.95

Although I'm sure you also find ones that have Assyrians, Cypriots are closer to Levantines, which you wrongly define as S. Levantines, such as Druze and Christian Lebanese than to Mesopotamian Assyrians.