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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    So that means full Eastern Europeans can not match Latin Americans and Iberians in this case?
    I'm not sure how you're making those logical leaps. If the suggested connection "Slavic admixture through Ashkenazi admixture through Sephardic heritage" is unlikely, then that does not mean that Slavic admixture in Latin Americans is altogether not possible, or that a person in Latin America can not have an East European match, or that if they did have such a match, that the conclusion can then automatically be made that they're not "full" Eastern European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyouare View Post
    I'm not sure how you're making those logical leaps. If the suggested connection "Slavic admixture through Ashkenazi admixture through Sephardic heritage" is unlikely, then that does not mean that Slavic admixture in Latin Americans is altogether not possible, or that a person in Latin America can not have an East European match, or that if they did have such a match, that the conclusion can then automatically be made that they're not "full" Eastern European.
    I thought Latin Americans have some Slavic, because they have Ashkenazi on 23andme. Now I understand that Ashkenazi percentage is similiarity between Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jewish.
    Full Latin Americans can not have full East European matches in this case
    23andme 5.9: 86,8% Eastern European, 9,1% Greek and Balkan, 0,3% Spanish and Portuguese, 1,2% Anatolian, 0,7% Ashkenazi Jewish, 1,4% Broadly Southern European, 0,5% Broadly European

    Distance: 1.8082% / 0.01808160
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    What is a "full Latin American"?
    There are many people of mostly recent Slavic ancestry in Latin America.

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    Latin Americans score Ashkenazi due to some hispanic converse that migrated to the called New World between 15th and 16th cwnturies.
    23andMe: 99.4% Spanish & Portuguese, 0.3% Ashkenazi Jewish, 0.3% Trace Ancestry (0.3% Nigerian)

    My Heritage: 91.5% Iberian, 3.6% Ashkenazi Jewish, 2.7% Middle East, 2.2% Irish, Sccotish and Welsh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    What is a "full Latin American"?
    There are many people of mostly recent Slavic ancestry in Latin America.
    Full Latin American for me is person which is Spanish/Portuguese + Native American + trace of Sephardic ancestry
    23andme 5.9: 86,8% Eastern European, 9,1% Greek and Balkan, 0,3% Spanish and Portuguese, 1,2% Anatolian, 0,7% Ashkenazi Jewish, 1,4% Broadly Southern European, 0,5% Broadly European

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    The reason I asked this question was because I am interested from which side I have Latin American matches if oracle of these people shows 70% Spanish + 30% Native. I thought it somehow possible , that I share Slavic ancestry with some of them
    23andme 5.9: 86,8% Eastern European, 9,1% Greek and Balkan, 0,3% Spanish and Portuguese, 1,2% Anatolian, 0,7% Ashkenazi Jewish, 1,4% Broadly Southern European, 0,5% Broadly European

    Distance: 1.8082% / 0.01808160
    Target: Cyryl_scaled | ADC: 0.25x RC
    85.3 East_Europe
    7.4 Southeast_Europe
    5.0 Sephardic
    2.3 Asia_Minor



    Ancestry: 68,75% Polish minority in Ukraine, 12,5% Northern Russian, 12,5% Alfatar Bulgarian ( + Sephardic ancestry ) , 6,25% Kuban Cossack

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    The reason I asked this question was because I am interested from which side I have Latin American matches if oracle of these people shows 70% Spanish + 30% Native. I thought it somehow possible , that I share Slavic ancestry with some of them
    That is possible. It would be great if they have a tree going back some generations, because most of the Slavic ancestry came rather recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    The reason I asked this question was because I am interested from which side I have Latin American matches if oracle of these people shows 70% Spanish + 30% Native. I thought it somehow possible , that I share Slavic ancestry with some of them
    How big are the segments? It's most likely through the Ashkenazi-Sephardic connection. It's not at all uncommon for Eastern European Jews (and obviously Sephardic Jews) to share small segments with Latin Americans who have no recent immigrant ancestry, which is in most cases a result of the latter having converso roots.

    If you shared ancestry due to a Slavic connection it would almost certainly be recent and would show up in their ethnicity estimate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    The reason I asked this question was because I am interested from which side I have Latin American matches if oracle of these people shows 70% Spanish + 30% Native. I thought it somehow possible , that I share Slavic ancestry with some of them
    Slavic ancestry probably only began to enter Ashkenazim around the time of the inquisition. It's extremely unlikely that an Ashkenazi picked up Slavic ancestry in the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and then moved to Spain prior to the inquisition.
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