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Thread: Could Western Jews (Ash. and Seph.) descend from Aegeans and Levantine admixture?

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    Is there anything in Elhaik's research that is good information? I'm a bit confused as to how he can come up with a completely opposite conclusion to all other researchers
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    I've got a bit of a two-part question. Which groups of Jews show North African levels around 10%?

    What would one make of someone having DNA like that, but an Ashkenazi surname and be from Pomerania?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    I've got a bit of a two-part question. Which groups of Jews show North African levels around 10%?

    What would one make of someone having DNA like that, but an Ashkenazi surname and be from Pomerania?
    10% on what kind of calculator or testing service? Ashkenazim do appear to share some Berber ancestry with Sephardim, probably acquired during late antiquity (early diaspora times), but it shouldn't be that high. Doing some basic runs with G25 modern averages for Ashkenazim I get 3-5% Berber depending on the group, a bit higher (around 8%) for Eastern Sephardim (Turkish/Greek Jews), and much higher (15-17%) for North African Jews.

    For instance, here's a run using the components from Seabass' DIY Mediterranean Calc, minus Egyptian (slightly different results from above, but similar):

    western jewish averages - g25 - diy med calc.jpg

    I suppose it could be an odd case of random inheritance, or perhaps also from Sephardic admixture. There are outliers of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    I've got a bit of a two-part question. Which groups of Jews show North African levels around 10%?

    What would one make of someone having DNA like that, but an Ashkenazi surname and be from Pomerania?
    Depends on what this individual gets on 23andme I'd say and whether their test recognises the segments as Ashkenazi or not. If you go through the individual German and Ashkenazi samples in G25, you will see a good level of variation in almost every respect, but with its own limitations.

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    It's my family. Kurzhals from Pomerania or something. All of us are in the 10-15% North African vs Askenazi.

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    I think it's all of us on Ancestry DNA. Is that a common occurrence with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    It's my family. Kurzhals from Pomerania or something. All of us are in the 10-15% North African vs Askenazi.
    But with which references? Probably you get some split up in a calculator?

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    I'm sorry. It's with 23andme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    I'm sorry. It's with 23andme.
    Can you give a little more context? Overall results / rest of known background?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    I've got a bit of a two-part question. Which groups of Jews show North African levels around 10%?

    What would one make of someone having DNA like that, but an Ashkenazi surname and be from Pomerania?
    I can get around 10-11% Berber on some G25 and I'm fully Ashkenazi from Ukraine (Podolia). That kind of stuff just doesn't happen for Ashkenazim with 23andme though.
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    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

    Eurogenes K13:
    East_Med 44
    West_Med 19.15
    North_Atlantic 15.63
    West_Asian 8.15
    Baltic 4.47
    Red_Sea 4.12
    East_Asian 1.31
    Sub-Saharan 1.23
    South Asian 0.71
    Amerindian 0.59
    Northeast_African 0.37
    Oceanian 0.27

    Father 23andMe 5.9:
    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

    Mother 23andMe 5.9:
    98.4% Ashkenazi Jewish
    0.5% Iranian, Caucasian, Mesopotamian
    0.5% Levantine
    0.2% Coptic Egyptian
    0.2% Sudanese
    0.2% Ethiopian & Eritrean

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