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Thread: Could Western Jews (Ash. and Seph.) descend from Aegeans and Levantine admixture?

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    Right, so here's an Azeri Jew (aka Mountain Jew/Juhuri) chromosomal plotting in K15 PCA:



    As can be seen, the likeliest Jews to have any Khazar ancestry (both because of their geographic origin and their historical way of life which resembled Steppes people), have no Khazar trace, are pretty much standard Mizrahi Jews with heavy clustering among Mizrahi Jews (and even some among Levantines), with slight Anatolian admixture and S. Caucasian admixture.

    Their native Jewish dialect - Judeo-Tat, which is essentially an Iranian dialect, nicely frames this genetic evidence as they are most likely mainly of Persian Mizrahi Jewish ancestry, with some small surrounding non-Jewish admixtures.
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    Congratulations to all, and particularly to its creator Erik, for making this most interesting thread reach its 500th page. מזל טוב mazel tov!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewid View Post
    Congratulations to all, and particularly to its creator Erik, for making this most interesting thread reach its 500th page. מזל טוב mazel tov!
    Let's hope that before we'll reach our next milestone we'll have more studies to answer a lot of the questions which we still have... like the Megiddo study, any of the Jewish studies, or the Philistine study, or any of the Italian/Cypriot studies.

    In the mean time, here's a Cappadocian Greek's chromosomal plotting:



    As well as another Greek Cypriot:

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    Just looked at the Chromosome admixture chart for one of the ancient Bronze Age Anatolian samples MA2206 (1750 BC) which is Gedmatch ID Z643830. The results don't show that big of variation between chromosomes really. Very little scoring of 'European' and 'Red Sea' components with next to no presence of 'NE African'. The Central Anatolian Greek looks like a Bronze Age Anatolian (with minor steppe influence) shifted towards Armenians.

    Other Gedmatch ID's if anyone wishes to map them since it's already been done with the ancient samples from Sidon.

    Z020190 = MA2200 (1750 BC)
    Z282612=MA2208 (1750 BC)
    Z643830=MA2206 (1750 BC)

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    Another Mountain Jew
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonahst View Post
    Another Mountain Jew
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    Again some Anatolian admixture (and no Khazar-like ancestry).

    It might be that some Anatolian Jews (Anatolian Romaniotes?) were also ancestral to Mountain Jews. Would not be that surprising, actually.

    Here are few potential routes from the Roman-era Anatolian communities during Roman times, but equally they could come later on from any Hellenistic community around the Black Sea that had some Anatolian admixture:

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    My father's K36 chromosome report by Lucasz is out. I don't know how to interpret it. Comments are welcome, esp. on population breakdowns.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GDt...ew?usp=sharing

    IMPORTANT NOTE: The jewish populations were removed on purpose by Lucasz.






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    This is my second contribution for tonight. I tried to make a boring K15 map of some samples I had before going into a chromosomal breakdown.

    It is a bit busy map that requires some information: They are NOT chromosome numbers but sample numbers

    The red ones with S1...S17 are balkan - mostly turkish sefardic samples i collected from gedmatch. Perhaps not surprisingly S11 is a sample that could be partially sefardic with no clear full ancestry record. S19 is a sample that has many iraqi jewish matches, although he/sh is not aware of any such ancestry, S16, S20 and S18 are Syrian jews.

    The blue dots are samples of iraqi jews that perhaps your are familliar with in gedmatch. They are labelled as such there.

    The orange d1, d2 and another invisible one near S7 belong to Doenmeh (jews of sabbatean origins)

    The big black dots near the Sephardic samples are to my surprise the Sidon BA samples, 2 near S13 and one near S16. I could be a sequencing or calculator artifact because they are not positioned near the lebanese samples.

    The big dark gray dots are Turkish samples, the gray one is a Turk from Trabzon and the Adyge one is a pure Adyge, all with clear origins and known to me. The same for the dark blue Balkan turk.

    The smaller dark gray dots are also Turkish samples from gedmatch, they are around province Malatya west of Euphrates river perhpas indicting the border of the eastern-most Turkish samples.


    enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by eolien View Post
    This is my second contribution for tonight. I tried to make a boring K15 map of some samples I had before going into a chromosomal breakdown.

    It is a bit busy map that requires some information: They are NOT chromosome numbers but sample numbers

    The red ones with S1...S17 are balkan - mostly turkish sefardic samples i collected from gedmatch. Perhaps not surprisingly S11 is a sample that could be partially sefardic with no clear full ancestry record. S19 is a sample that has many iraqi jewish matches, although he/sh is not aware of any such ancestry, S16, S20 and S18 are Syrian jews.

    The blue dots are samples of iraqi jews that perhaps your are familliar with in gedmatch. They are labelled as such there.

    The orange d1, d2 and another invisible one near S7 belong to Doenmeh (jews of sabbatean origins)

    The big black dots near the Sephardic samples are to my surprise the Sidon BA samples, 2 near S13 and one near S16. I could be a sequencing or calculator artifact because they are not positioned near the lebanese samples.

    The big dark gray dots are Turkish samples, the gray one is a Turk from Trabzon and the Adyge one is a pure Adyge, all with clear origins and known to me. The same for the dark blue Balkan turk.

    The smaller dark gray dots are also Turkish samples from gedmatch, they are around province Malatya west of Euphrates river perhpas indicting the border of the eastern-most Turkish samples.


    enjoy

    Wow, so the dönmeh (at least those two individuals' ancestors) really didn't marry out much, if at all. (Even if that's the standard narrative, it's always surprising to see in a secret community after a few hundred years; I've found evidence of the same in northeastern Portuguese crypto-Jews.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by eolien View Post
    My father's K36 chromosome report by Lucasz is out. I don't know how to interpret it. Comments are welcome, esp. on population breakdowns.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GDt...ew?usp=sharing






    I'm also not entirely sure how to interpret these, but interesting to compare to my results. Some notable similarities and differences, some a little surprising.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aOZ...xoERKwRO-/view

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