Page 503 of 513 FirstFirst ... 3403453493501502503504505 ... LastLast
Results 5,021 to 5,030 of 5122

Thread: Could Western Jews (Ash. and Seph.) descend from Aegeans and Levantine admixture?

  1. #5021
    Registered Users
    Posts
    365
    Sex
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Ethnicity
    English & Greek
    Nationality
    British
    Y-DNA
    J2-L397
    mtDNA
    H2a2a1

    United Kingdom England Greece Cyprus
    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    It's not only this, but just to remind all of you that contemporary Sicilians and S. Italians actually plot closer autosomally to the Mycenaean samples than modern day Aegean Greeks. If indeed classical period Aegeans/Greeks were pretty much similar to the Mycenaean samples, it's yet another huge boost for the predominant Greek ancestry of S. Italians/Sicilians, while Greeks in mainland Greece (and in a lesser degree - in the Aegeans) have been removed further away because the Slavic-like admixture (which exist also among Greek islanders, although to a much, much lower degree) shifted them further away, then say the South European Italic and Levantine admixtures the S. Italians and Sicilians received. Just a thought.
    Whilst it has been established that South Italians do indeed have significant Greek ancestry and cluster closer to Mycenaeans by Euclidean distance, it is still mainland Greeks that have the largest autosomal contribution and by extension descent from Bronze Age Greeks irrespective of Slavic admixture.

  2. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to LTG For This Useful Post:

     alexfritz (03-15-2019),  Andrewid (03-15-2019),  jonahst (03-15-2019),  Power77 (03-15-2019)

  3. #5022
    Registered Users
    Posts
    465
    Sex
    Location
    Earth
    Ethnicity
    Ashkenazi
    Nationality
    Australian, Israeli
    Y-DNA
    E-PF1975
    mtDNA
    K1a9

    Australia Israel
    On a different note, couple of days ago I've ordered the Chromosomal analysis from Łukasz, anyone who ordered this previously knows how long it usually takes for him to get back with results?
    I can be certain of one thing, that I know nothing.

  4. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to John Doe For This Useful Post:

     jonahst (03-15-2019),  Power77 (03-15-2019)

  5. #5023
    Registered Users
    Posts
    507
    Location
    Brazil
    Nationality
    Brazilian

    Brazil
    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    From Olalde et al.'s paper on the genomic history of Iberia:
    They missed the chance of getting Jewish samples tested. There are plenty of Jewish graves in Iberia, spanning a long time. It would have been very interesting seeing those results!

  6. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Piquerobi For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (03-15-2019),  Claudio (03-15-2019),  coffeeprince (03-15-2019),  Erikl86 (03-15-2019),  John Doe (03-15-2019),  jonahst (03-15-2019),  Power77 (03-15-2019),  Principe (03-15-2019),  Seabass (03-16-2019),  Targum (03-15-2019)

  7. #5024
    Gold Member Class
    Posts
    1,741
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Jewish (Ashkenazi)
    Y-DNA
    Q-YP3924 (Q-M378)
    mtDNA
    K1a1b1a

    Israel
    Quote Originally Posted by LTG View Post
    Whilst it has been established that South Italians do indeed have significant Greek ancestry and cluster closer to Mycenaeans by Euclidean distance, it is still mainland Greeks that have the largest autosomal contribution and by extension descent from Bronze Age Greeks irrespective of Slavic admixture.
    Oh I don't doubt that, it's just that the 10-20% (and in some cases - 30%) Slavic-like admixture in mainland Greeks is far enough from the Mycenaean sample in any PCA or any Euclidean distance calculator that the end result, that is, 70-80% Mycenaean + 20-30% Slavic-like, gives an admixture which is further from Mycenaeans then say, 60% Mycenaean + pre-Greek Italic. The reason for this is that naturally, Central/Western Mediterraneans would be closer to East Mediterraneans to begin with (that is - substantial amounts of EEF, some CHG), than to Slavic-like populations.
    Check out my Hidden Content
    My Y-DNA: Q-M242 -> Q-L232 -> Q-L275 -> Q-M378 -> Q-Y2016 -> Q-L245 -> Q-FGC1904 -> Q-Y2209 -> Q-Y2225 -> Q-Y2197 -> Q-Y2750 -> Q-YP1004 -> Q-YP3924;
    My mtDNA: K1a1b1a;

    My dad's mtDNA: K2a2a;

  8. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Erikl86 For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (03-15-2019),  Andrewid (03-15-2019),  Claudio (03-15-2019),  John Doe (03-15-2019),  jonahst (03-15-2019),  LTG (03-15-2019),  Power77 (03-15-2019)

  9. #5025
    Registered Users
    Posts
    265
    Sex
    Location
    Europe
    Ethnicity
    Sephardi
    Nationality
    Turkish
    Y-DNA
    E-M84
    mtDNA
    H14b

    Quote Originally Posted by John Doe View Post
    On a different note, couple of days ago I've ordered the Chromosomal analysis from Łukasz, anyone who ordered this previously knows how long it usually takes for him to get back with results?
    no rush my second analysis is not out yet, i would say wait around 1 week-10 days or more....
    Last edited by eolien; 03-15-2019 at 08:28 PM.

  10. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to eolien For This Useful Post:

     Erikl86 (03-15-2019),  John Doe (03-15-2019),  jonahst (03-15-2019),  Power77 (03-15-2019)

  11. #5026
    Registered Users
    Posts
    304
    Sex

    Mycenaean_I9041 @ 0.000000
    Iberia_Northeast_Greek_I8215 @ 3.294806
    Balkans_IA_I5769 @ 4.048056
    Mycenaean_I9006 @ 4.472474
    Peloponnese_N_o_I3920 @ 4.515417
    Krepost_N_I0679_d @ 4.536392
    Mycenaean_I9010 @ 4.648729
    Sicilian_East_EastSicilian2H @ 4.762915
    Anatolia_MLBA_MA2203 @ 4.765356
    Minoan_Lasithi_I0071 @ 4.880828
    Italian_Abruzzo_ItalyAbruzzo22 @ 4.909118
    Italian_Jew_ItalyJew2 @ 4.980376
    Germany_Medieval_o_STR_300 @ 4.984531
    Iberia_Northeast_Hel_I8208 @ 5.002139
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ40 @ 5.025570
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1_CL38 @ 5.077423
    Anatolia_EBA_Isparta_I2495 @ 5.209344
    Romaniote_Jew_Romaniote2 @ 5.310242
    Sephardic_Jew_SephardicJew24276 @ 5.316800
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1_CL25 @ 5.327268
    Mycenaean_I9033 @ 5.392974
    Last edited by Ajeje Brazorf; 03-15-2019 at 05:24 PM.

  12. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Ajeje Brazorf For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (03-15-2019),  alexfritz (03-15-2019),  Erikl86 (03-15-2019),  jonahst (03-16-2019),  palamede (03-15-2019),  Power77 (03-15-2019),  Seabass (03-16-2019),  Targum (03-15-2019)

  13. #5027
    Gold Member Class
    Posts
    3,749
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Jewish & British
    Y-DNA
    J1-YSC234 (Z18271+)
    mtDNA
    J1c5

    Israel Israel Jerusalem United Kingdom England Scotland Isle of Man
    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Mycenaean_I9041 @ 0.000000
    Iberia_Northeast_Greek_I8215 @ 3.294806
    Balkans_IA_I5769 @ 4.048056
    Mycenaean_I9006 @ 4.472474
    Peloponnese_N_o_I3920 @ 4.515417
    Krepost_N_I0679_d @ 4.536392
    Mycenaean_I9010 @ 4.648729
    Sicilian_East_EastSicilian2H @ 4.762915
    Anatolia_MLBA_MA2203 @ 4.765356
    Minoan_Lasithi_I0071 @ 4.880828
    Italian_Abruzzo_ItalyAbruzzo22 @ 4.909118
    Italian_Jew_ItalyJew2 @ 4.980376
    Germany_Medieval_o_STR_300 @ 4.984531
    Iberia_Northeast_Hel_I8208 @ 5.002139
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ40 @ 5.025570
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1_CL38 @ 5.077423
    Anatolia_EBA_Isparta_I2495 @ 5.209344
    Romaniote_Jew_Romaniote2 @ 5.310242
    Sephardic_Jew_SephardicJew24276 @ 5.316800
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1_CL25 @ 5.327268
    Mycenaean_I9033 @ 5.392974
    These two samples are labeled "Empuries_Greek" in the following PCA:



    They're well within Mycenaean variation.
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

  14. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Agamemnon For This Useful Post:

     alexfritz (03-15-2019),  Andrewid (03-15-2019),  Claudio (03-15-2019),  Eihwaz (03-15-2019),  Erikl86 (03-15-2019),  jonahst (03-16-2019),  palamede (03-15-2019),  Principe (03-15-2019),  Ruderico (03-15-2019),  Seabass (03-16-2019)

  15. #5028
    Registered Users
    Posts
    304
    Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    They're well within Mycenaean variation.
    What year or century are I8208 and I8215 dated?

  16. #5029
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,086
    Sex
    Location
    Viseu
    Ethnicity
    Romanised Celtiberian
    Nationality
    Portuguese
    Y-DNA
    E-BY36857
    mtDNA
    H20

    Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ
    Lazaridis posted on eurogenes



    Blogger Iosif Lazaridis (Broad) said...

    The interesting thing about the samples from Empuries is that they were colonists from Phocaea (which is in western Anatolia), who were themselves descended from people from Phokis (mainland Greece).

    Thus there were multiple opportunities for them to be different than the published Mycenaean samples from the Peloponnese

    (1) Because they were later
    (2) Because they were from a different part of Greece
    (3) Because people from Phokis may have admixed when they founded Phocaea
    (4) Because people from Phocaea may have admixed when they founded Empuries or in the centuries thereafter down to the Roman era

    So, while we don't have the missing links, we can infer (indirectly) a lot about what was going on in the Aegean and western Anatolia from these faraway western Greek samples.
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>BY36857. Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
    Hidden Content


    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

    Ruderico

    Celtiberian,77.6
    Roman_Imperial_proxy,13.6
    Guanche,8.8

  17. The Following 13 Users Say Thank You to Ruderico For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (03-15-2019),  alexfritz (03-15-2019),  Andrewid (03-15-2019),  Claudio (03-15-2019),  coffeeprince (03-15-2019),  Eihwaz (03-15-2019),  Erikl86 (03-15-2019),  IronHorse (03-16-2019),  jonahst (03-16-2019),  palamede (03-15-2019),  Power77 (03-15-2019),  Principe (03-15-2019),  traject (03-15-2019)

  18. #5030
    Gold Member Class
    Posts
    1,741
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Jewish (Ashkenazi)
    Y-DNA
    Q-YP3924 (Q-M378)
    mtDNA
    K1a1b1a

    Israel
    F*cking amazing - classical era Western Anatolian Greeks still overlapped with Bronze Age Mycenaeans !
    Check out my Hidden Content
    My Y-DNA: Q-M242 -> Q-L232 -> Q-L275 -> Q-M378 -> Q-Y2016 -> Q-L245 -> Q-FGC1904 -> Q-Y2209 -> Q-Y2225 -> Q-Y2197 -> Q-Y2750 -> Q-YP1004 -> Q-YP3924;
    My mtDNA: K1a1b1a;

    My dad's mtDNA: K2a2a;

  19. The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to Erikl86 For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (03-15-2019),  Andrewid (03-15-2019),  Claudio (03-15-2019),  coffeeprince (03-15-2019),  Eihwaz (03-15-2019),  John Doe (03-15-2019),  jonahst (03-16-2019),  Power77 (03-15-2019),  Principe (03-15-2019),  Ruderico (03-15-2019),  Seabass (03-16-2019),  Targum (03-15-2019)

Page 503 of 513 FirstFirst ... 3403453493501502503504505 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 19
    Last Post: 12-07-2018, 12:52 AM
  2. Present-day Lebanese descend from Biblical Canaanites
    By MikeWhalen in forum Ancient (aDNA)
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 07-27-2017, 07:49 PM
  3. Early farmers from across Europe were direct descendants of Aegeans
    By rock hunter in forum Archaeology (Prehistory)
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-21-2016, 10:43 PM
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-14-2016, 01:02 PM
  5. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-26-2015, 05:29 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •