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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    At least you didn't lose your royal status... according to Elhaik, Jonah and I are royal blood, direct descendants of the most noble Ashina royalty !

    A Khazar Ashina noble warrior, our ancestor (and all Ashkenazi with paternal Q) according to Elhaik. No more

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    We went from being the direct great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren of The most Honorable Qaghan Bulan of the House Ashina, the First of His Name, King of the Khazars, the Alans and the Irano-Turko-Slavs, The rightful King of the Khazar Kaghanate and Protector of the Realm, King of Sarkel, King of Atil of the Great Caspian Sea, the Crimea of the Dark Sea, Breaker of Matzo balls and Father of Dreidels, regent of the realm, to mere swarthy laymen of East Mediterranean origin.



    And also:
    http://theconversation.com/ashkenazi...ient-dna-97962
    I am so jealous I can only trace my ancestry to Sea People marauders, Anatolian goat herdsmen and Levantine itinerant salesmen
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    I don't get how he can pretend to be this ignorant as an academic. This is a Soviet publication. It only got published because it fit with the narrative that may dissuade Jews from leaving. Soviet ethnology also labeled the Mizrachim within their borders as converts, in order to split Jews apart, as to prevent a national consciousness. Most of the left's "intellectual" anti-Zionism has its roots in Soviet "Zionology", which they made an academic department. How do you cite anything from such texts without a grain of post-Chernobyl acid?

    edit: I just realized the publication isn't Soviet, but Israeli. I had assumed it was Soviet from the transcription of "Pinkus" vs "Pinchus", however, I'll leave the post up as a future warning not to trust Soviet publications on the matter.
    Hear, hear! This is one of the facts that often gets conveniently ignored.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    At least you didn't lose your royal status... according to Elhaik, Jonah and I are royal blood, direct descendants of the most noble Ashina royalty !

    A Khazar Ashina noble warrior, our ancestor (and all Ashkenazi with paternal Q) according to Elhaik. No more

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    We went from being the direct great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren of The most Honorable Qaghan Bulan of the House Ashina, the First of His Name, King of the Khazars, the Alans and the Irano-Turko-Slavs, The rightful King of the Khazar Kaghanate and Protector of the Realm, King of Sarkel, King of Atil of the Great Caspian Sea, the Crimea of the Dark Sea, Breaker of Matzo balls and Father of Dreidels, regent of the realm, to mere swarthy laymen of East Mediterranean origin.



    And also:
    http://theconversation.com/ashkenazi...ient-dna-97962
    My condolences. If it can attenuate the feeling of loss and help you grieve, I'd like you to remember that some of the lineages of Indo-Iranian origin (yours along with R1a-CTS6 being the most prominent ones) amongst Jews might ultimately have their roots in the elites of Late Bronze Age Canaan, which included a substantial amount of individuals (around 15%) who bore personal names with northern (either Hurrian or Old Indic) etymologies and whose ancestors probably had something to do with the maryannu nobility and ruling classes of Canaan.
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    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Hear, hear! This is one of the facts that often gets conveniently ignored.



    My condolences. If it can attenuate the feeling of loss and help you grieve, I'd like you to remember that some of the lineages of Indo-Iranian origin (yours along with R1a-CTS6 being the most prominent ones) amongst Jews might ultimately have their roots in the elites of Late Bronze Age Canaan, which included a substantial amount of individuals (around 15%) who bore personal names with northern (either Hurrian or Old Indic) etymologies and whose ancestors probably had something to do with the maryannu nobility and ruling classes of Canaan.
    I wish, but the good Doctor Elhaik says that Q-M242 was introduced to Ashkenazi Jews from Central Asia. I'm so confused what am I going to do now. Oh wait... Indo-Iranian origin you say? maybe I can relexify it to Turko-Iranian... and you mentioned R1a - that's pretty common among Slavs - so wait we have Turko-Irano-Slavic origin ! Yes !! Day saved. Phew.
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    My mtDNA: K1a1b1a;

    My dad's mtDNA: K2a2a;

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    Does anyone else here arrive at a similar combination for their nearest fit using modern populations?

    "sample": "Custom:Me_scaled",
    "fit": 0.951,
    "Ashkenazi_Jew": 54.17,
    "Romaniote_Jew": 43.33,
    "Dai": 1.67,
    "Iraqi_Jew": 0.83,

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    Does anyone else here arrive at a similar combination for their nearest fit using modern populations?

    "sample": "Custom:Me_scaled",
    "fit": 0.951,
    "Ashkenazi_Jew": 54.17,
    "Romaniote_Jew": 43.33,
    "Dai": 1.67,
    "Iraqi_Jew": 0.83,
    How did you do this? Whenever I model myself with other Jewish populations, I come out very heavily Sephardi.

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    In the new Viking paper there are several 11-13th century CE Polish and other Eastern European samples. Should be good candidates to use in modeling Ashkenazi Jews' East European admixture.
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    My mtDNA: K1a1b1a;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudio View Post
    Erik do you have any news on when those Italian Jewish kits will be available again on Gedmatch??
    Unfortunately, not yet. Hopefully, soon.
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    My mtDNA: K1a1b1a;

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonahst View Post
    How did you do this? Whenever I model myself with other Jewish populations, I come out very heavily Sephardi.
    What do you mean?

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