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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    Stop twisting my words.
    You said 2-3%. That means possibly approaches 3%. you should have said 1-2%, or 1.5-2.5%, if you did not mean that it was possible to approach 3%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkotl0327 View Post
    You said 2-3%. That means possibly approaches 3%. you should have said 1-2%, or 1.5-2.5%, if you did not mean that it was possible to approach 3%.
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    My East Asian is at least 1% and likely 2-3%; could even be 3-4%, but that's much less likely
    At some point, this has to stop. I recommend it stops now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    I might've been repeating a rumor. However, he isn't fully Romaniote. One of his grandmothers was Sephardi. Can you find something that goes deeper into his ancestry? Full Jews are very uncommon in Greece.
    My point is that he dosnt have any Ethnic Greek ancestor. His forefathers indeed have Sephardi and Romaniote roots.Most Jews in My city are Sephardi indeed and they doing marriages with non-Jews. For example one guy HAS been married with a Serbian woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    Blond Jews exist in every Western Jewish group. Barely any Jews remain in Greece. We also don't know if she's fully Jewish.
    Can confirm. My Moroccan grandmother was a natural blonde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkotl0327 View Post
    Here is a list of Eurogenes K13 populations (related to Ashkenazim/Mediterranean area) with E. Asian 1% or higher. These are all approximations of E. Asian + Siberian + Amerindian
    Alg. Jewish: 1.5%
    Ashkenazi: 2.2%
    Assyrian: 1.1%
    Bedouin: 1.2%
    Greek Thessaly: 1%
    Italian Jewish: 1.2%
    Jordanian: 1.1%
    Lebanese Christian: 1%
    Palestinian: 1%
    Sephardic: 1.1%
    Samaritan: 1.1%
    Serbian: 1.6%
    Andalusian Spanish: 1.5%
    Aragon Spanish: 1%
    Spanish Murcia: 2.2%

    I always believed that most of these percentages were noise rather than Mongol or Silk Road admixture (though I could be wrong), but although Ashkenazi Jews are one of the highest in E. Asian (indicating they have some minor E. Asian which I have not contested), it seems to be only 1% higher, in some cases less than 1% higher, than these other populations. That is why I always believed that Ashkenazim were no more than 1% E. Asian. This is definitely no more based on intuition than inferring autosomal % from haplogroup data (which Khazaria did).

    As to the study in question, their main model, as I stated earlier took the 15% (don't know where 15-25% came from in their picture, text said 15%) W. Euro + E. Euro which they calculated, and called it E. Euro based on IBD. As I mentioned earlier using IBD to justify this has serious flaws. I get that their other model is less confidence, I will do more reading and try to find a study that accurately splits the W. Euro and E. Euro components. Looking at Eurogenes K13, I realize that N. Atlantic is not exclusively W. European and Baltic is not exclusively E. European, but the Ashkenazi average, and I, both have about 1.5 x more N. Atlantic than Baltic, which would be a breakdown of about 10% W. Euro, 5% E. Euro. I realize that this little calculation is extremely imperfect, but my point is that just as you believe that I am underestimating our E. Euro ancestry, I believe you are underestimating our W. Euro ancestry.

    I'll be honest in saying I have not read that much regarding the old N1b2, and I'll try to read more before offering any further arguments. It would be good if Generalissimo resolved this little debate about the Oceanian component, but I still can't see it as anything more than noise.

    Now again, Generalissimo can correct me if this is an erroneous interpretation, but I my K10 results show a stark difference between the E. Euro and N. Atlantic components. Judge for yourself. I am obviously not necessarily representative of the Ashkenazi average, but I couldn't find a spreadsheet: Attachment 38003
    1. Brook didn't infer the autosomal % from haplogroup frequency.


    2. Noise =/= Inheritance from a proxy. It's still real East Asian ancestry. Noise is error. Gedmatch is an overall inferior tool. Let me save you some time. Some time ago, I tried to isolate Yekke samples which appeared to be unadmixed with East Euros. I then modeled Eastern Ashkenazim on them:



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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    Oh? First I'm hearing about that.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...ewish_results/
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkotl0327 View Post
    and then claims that this tiny n9a3 lineage is an entire 1-2% of Ashkenazi mtdna
    I have to go back to this since it's unfair to the author of the page. He in fact says it's 0.1%.
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    Really surprised about the even NWA : Arab/Levantine ratio here. My understanding was that "Kurdish" Jews were less Levantine-shifted than Arabic-speaking Iraqi Jews. Then again, I'd only really trust an open-source model over 23andMe's categories here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    Really surprised about the even NWA : Arab/Levantine ratio here. My understanding was that "Kurdish" Jews were less Levantine-shifted than Arabic-speaking Iraqi Jews. Then again, I'd only really trust an open-source model over 23andMe's categories here.
    I've heard the same and this is the highest Levantine I've seen for a Mizrachi. It could different because he's mixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    1. Brook didn't infer the autosomal % from haplogroup frequency.


    2. Noise =/= Inheritance from a proxy. It's still real East Asian ancestry. Noise is error. Gedmatch is an overall inferior tool. Let me save you some time. Some time ago, I tried to isolate Yekke samples which appeared to be unadmixed with East Euros. I then modeled Eastern Ashkenazim on them:



    Get your G25 coordinates and you'll have more fun.
    Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is "Rhineland OG"?

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