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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Punjabi is an extremely tonal language to my ears , I don't know about Haryanvi but based of the youtube videos I saw it sounds like a crude version of Hindi but has some tonal overlap but lacking the semi glottal sounds you hear in the former.
    Haha depends who's speaking it, it can be a very soft language too. Although 99.9% speak like Sidhu Moosewala. Haryanavi is like Punjabi and Rajasthani had a baby, and that baby grew up with UPiites.
    Panjab, پنجابی, ਫਤਿਹll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    I guess it depends on the hierarchy and literary standard.

    For Punjabi speakers it may well be the original Urdu or Persian pronunciation. So jaroori sounds very unsophisticated. The irony being that Arabs find zaroori the funny pronunciation compared to Ḍaroori with a hard Ḍād (ﺽ).

    In Bengali, it's often the other way round. In the literary standard, you would pronounce it Joruri. The more Eastern dialects would say zoruri and that is considered very rustic / crude.

    My name does the whole gamut - Ridha, Reza or Reja depending on who's speaking...
    Aside from TB loan words, we don't have any "z" words in Nepali. Even "bazaar" is pronounced "bajaar". There are quite a few TB place names with "z" and they're all pronounced "j" by Nepali speakers, but the local speakers do pronounce z properly. I think Newari also has quite a few Z words. I only learned to pronounce "z" properly in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Aside from TB loan words, we don't have any "z" words in Nepali. Even "bazaar" is pronounced "bajaar". There are quite a few TB place names with "z" and they're all pronounced "j" by Nepali speakers, but the local speakers do pronounce z properly. I think Newari also has quite a few Z words. I only learned to pronounce "z" properly in the US.
    Most Sanskrit based languages lack Z and F so that likely has to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Most Sanskrit based languages lack Z and F so that likely has to do with it.
    Never realized about F. You’re right, used to pronounce Fan as Phan , Future as Phuture, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Never realized about F. You’re right, used to pronounce Fan as Phan , Future as Phuture, lol
    Yes in the same way Japanese and other East Asians pronounce L as "ERR" ie lonely sounds like ronery or in that Grammarly ad that Japanese sushi expert say "grammary"
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    We pronounce words with r as l.

    For example rekha (line) would be lekha (likh).

    Or completely without r.
    Priya - Piya.
    Thus Asok is called Piyadasi which is how Greek (but not Aramaic) also noted him - Piodases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    We pronounce words with r as l.

    For example rekha (line) would be lekha (likh).

    Or completely without r.
    Priya - Piya.
    Thus Asok is called Piyadasi which is how Greek (but not Aramaic) also noted him - Piodases.
    Cf. Pali laja for raja. Eg.: devanam piye piyadasi laja haivam aha https://books.google.com/books?id=dXVOXRrYQiQC&pg=PA197

    We also see this phenomenon in the Black Sea area:
    saul for saur (sun)
    "The Pontic language seems to have been much more archaic. It preserves the phoneme -l- which became -r- everywhere in Vedic ...
    *saul- 'the sun' (in Saulios 'a king's name') from IE *sawel- vs. Vedic surya- ... That all makes Pontic Aryan another dialect of the Indo-Aryan branch. Their language was already separated from Iranian when they left their traces in Northern Mesopotamia and on the shores of the Black Sea."
    https://tied.verbix.com/archive/article17.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    We pronounce words with r as l.

    For example rekha (line) would be lekha (likh).

    Or completely without r.
    Priya - Piya.
    Thus Asok is called Piyadasi which is how Greek (but not Aramaic) also noted him - Piodases.
    Kishna or kishan for Krishna ?

    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Cf. Pali laja for raja. Eg.: devanam piye piyadasi laja haivam aha https://books.google.com/books?id=dXVOXRrYQiQC&pg=PA197

    We also see this phenomenon in the Black Sea area:
    saul for saur (sun)
    "The Pontic language seems to have been much more archaic. It preserves the phoneme -l- which became -r- everywhere in Vedic ...
    *saul- 'the sun' (in Saulios 'a king's name') from IE *sawel- vs. Vedic surya- ... That all makes Pontic Aryan another dialect of the Indo-Aryan branch. Their language was already separated from Iranian when they left their traces in Northern Mesopotamia and on the shores of the Black Sea."
    https://tied.verbix.com/archive/article17.html
    is latha -> ratha ? is it likely change in pronunciation from l to r or latha means different?
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    Bhalo bhashi- sorry I don't understand this language.

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