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    I'm kind of dazzled.

    To know the amount of Britonnic ancestry aong the English you will a need a clear profile of the Brittonic DNA profile and the Anglo-Saxon DNA profile.

    Bit in fact how clear are those profiles?
    I have my doubts,

    Let's take this research:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35344663

    They found that on average 25%-40% of the ancestry of modern Britons is attributable to the Anglo-Saxons. But the fraction of Saxon ancestry is greater in eastern England, closest to where the migrants settled.
    ok but than this:

    Even traditionally Celtic populations, such as the Welsh and Scottish show some Anglo-Saxon-like ancestry - even though it is typically lower than that in eastern England. But Dr Schiffels points out that it is difficult to tell when this genetic component arrived there until DNA from Iron Age remains in those regions is analysed.
    I don't know but G25 fits gives my father 'Brittonic' results and his son 'Anglo-Saxon' so.....?
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    What partly could be the overlap is for example R1b L21, of course strong in Ireland, but also in considerable amount in NW Germany (Saxon heartland) borderland NE Dutch and Norway.




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    R-L21's presence in these areas is probably a result of shared common ancestry (not just Y-DNA) of Celtic and Germanic populations but also probably migrations of people from L21 dominant areas, migrations from Britain & Ireland, etc.

    However, I have a feeling that the common "Anglo-Saxon" component in those outside of England in that study get that result because that component is rooted in some of the original component populations which developed into Celts and Germanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    R-L21's presence in these areas is probably a result of shared common ancestry (not just Y-DNA) of Celtic and Germanic populations but also probably migrations of people from L21 dominant areas, migrations from Britain & Ireland, etc.

    However, I have a feeling that the common "Anglo-Saxon" component in those outside of England in that study get that result because that component is rooted in some of the original component populations which developed into Celts and Germanics.
    Agree spruithean! The genetic relationship nowadays NW Germany (incl North Dutch) and the Isles is older, Bell Beaker and BA times.....I see the this Y-DNA thing more as a kind of sign.

    On the whole this makes it more fuzzy.

    But your summary is IMO accurate the overlap 'is rooted in some of the original component populations which developed into Celts and Germanics'.

    So in the in the end the NW European Celts and NW European Germans are more intermingled because they drunk from the same source!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Agree spruithean! The genetic relationship nowadays NW Germany (incl North Dutch) and the Isles is older, Bell Beaker and BA times.....I see the this Y-DNA thing more as a kind of sign.

    On the whole this makes it more fuzzy.

    But your summary is IMO accurate the overlap 'is rooted in some of the original component populations which developed into Celts and Germanics'.

    So in the in the end the NW European Celts and NW European Germans are more intermingled because they drunk from the same source!
    This is reasonable and frankly given the size of Europe and the eventual running out of potential ancestors it is only logical that the Celts and Germanic groups would eventually have a common origin. As with all people, just depends on the timing.

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