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    E1b1b1a1b1a3~

    Hi,

    I'm really confused about my haplogroup.
    According to FTDNA, I'm E-M35; I asked myself which subclade I'm part of. ALL my Y match are E-V13; but the predictor I found told me E-V22 (82%).
    23andMe predicted E-M78; at the bottom of the page, they said E-M5021.
    Wegene predicted me as E1b1b1a1b1a3~...

    Which of them is the most accurate? I think E-M35 is the less specific, but I never heard about E1b1b1a1b1a3~.
    Is this one the old name of V-22 or V-13?

    Please help me!!!!
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    Have you joined a haplogroup E project at FTDNA? They could probably tell more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnfried View Post
    Hi,

    I'm really confused about my haplogroup.
    According to FTDNA, I'm E-M35; I asked myself which subclade I'm part of. ALL my Y match are E-V13; but the predictor I found told me E-V22 (82%).
    23andMe predicted E-M78; at the bottom of the page, they said E-M5021.
    Wegene predicted me as E1b1b1a1b1a3~...

    Which of them is the most accurate? I think E-M35 is the less specific, but I never heard about E1b1b1a1b1a3~.
    Is this one the old name of V-22 or V-13?

    Please help me!!!!
    It's quite irritating through the years there is a constant relabeling, what's your number on FTDNA, what kind of markers do you have?

    Biggest chance in Europe, especial Central Europe you are E-V13, otherwise E-V22 than we can shake hands....

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    In the current ISOGG Tree, E1b1b1a1b1a3 is downstream of V13 (E1b1b1a1b1a) and defined by the SNP M35.2.
    It has no equivalent in the yfull tree, where M35.2 is one of the haplogroup E-M35 markers. M35 and M35.2 is the same position, but a different allele. M35 = C, M35.2 = T.

    ISOGG states:
    The position of M35.2 is uncertain with respect to the positions of L241, L250, L251, L252, and L540.
    All named above SNP's are subclades of V13, this means according to ISOGG, the position of M35.2 is unresolved downstream of V13, yet yfull puts it back to the ancestral level of M35. Both in the newest version.
    To me, it seems like the whole marker isn't very informative, since it is put in very different positions and I wouldn't trust it beyond E-M35.

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    Thanks for your responses.

    I'm part of E-M35 project, but they can't classify me and suggest me a Big Y test; but this test is unfortunately really expensive for my modest budget.
    So I bought yesterday the SNP's test for V-22, as it should be the most probable subclade I belong to. On the other hand, I have no idea how an E-V22 man reached Paris's area before the recent immigration... All my Y-ancestors (who wear my last name) were protestant as far as I can see. May be a really old Neolithic remnant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnfried View Post
    Hi,

    I'm really confused about my haplogroup.
    According to FTDNA, I'm E-M35; I asked myself which subclade I'm part of. ALL my Y match are E-V13; but the predictor I found told me E-V22 (82%).
    23andMe predicted E-M78; at the bottom of the page, they said E-M5021.
    Wegene predicted me as E1b1b1a1b1a3~...

    Which of them is the most accurate? I think E-M35 is the less specific, but I never heard about E1b1b1a1b1a3~.
    Is this one the old name of V-22 or V-13?

    Please help me!!!!
    Hey, I have the exact thing. 23andme is E-M78, wegene is E1b1b1a1b1a3. I figured that’s just another way to write e1b1b1a1. Edit: I get it from my Yemeni paternal line, btw.
    Last edited by misanthropy; 06-23-2018 at 06:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    Hey, I have the exact thing. 23andme is E-M78, wegene is E1b1b1a1b1a3. I figured that’s just another way to write e1b1b1a1. Edit: I get it from my Yemeni paternal line, btw.
    It seems understandable for a Yemenite line
    Fortunatelly, I'm not a poor lonesome V22 in (North) Western Europe (Hi Finn)
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    3 Swiss_German 1.22
    4 Saarland 1.23
    5 Tirol 1.24
    6 Ile-de-France 1.26
    7 FR_Swiss 1.27
    8 Alsace 1.31

    Oracles
    FR_Savoie+FR_Savoie+Ukraine_Bukovina+South_Dutch 5,600388
    FR_Savoie+FR_Savoie+Ukraine_Bukovina+Norway_south-east 5,625698

    67% DE_Rheinland-Pfalz + 33% FR_Savoie
    62.7% FR_Normandy + 37.3% IT_Lombardia
    73% DE_Saarland + 27% IT_Lombardia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnfried View Post
    It seems understandable for a Yemenite line
    Fortunatelly, I'm not a poor lonesome V22 in (North) Western Europe (Hi Finn)
    nope!! I'm wondering too: how it came in my Frisian paternal side.....

    This website gives some clues:
    http://e-v22.net

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnfried View Post
    Hi,

    I'm really confused about my haplogroup.
    According to FTDNA, I'm E-M35; I asked myself which subclade I'm part of. ALL my Y match are E-V13; but the predictor I found told me E-V22 (82%).
    23andMe predicted E-M78; at the bottom of the page, they said E-M5021.
    Wegene predicted me as E1b1b1a1b1a3~...

    Which of them is the most accurate? I think E-M35 is the less specific, but I never heard about E1b1b1a1b1a3~.
    Is this one the old name of V-22 or V-13?

    Please help me!!!!


    Hey Arnfried, do you have a GEDMATCH ID?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnfried View Post
    It seems understandable for a Yemenite line
    Fortunatelly, I'm not a poor lonesome V22 in (North) Western Europe (Hi Finn)
    E-V22+ was found in China apparently. As for Europe I think you're most likely a remnant of the Near Eastern Neolithic Farmers, who brought cereals (Wheat, Barley and Rye) along other crops, and domesticated animals (domesticated Cattle, Goats and Sheep) with them.
    Last edited by Lupriac; 11-11-2018 at 07:14 PM.

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