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    J1* v. J1-P58 in Chiaroni et al. populations

    Based on data reported in The emergence of Y-chromosome haplogroup J1e among Arabic-speaking populations

    Chiaroni et al.

    Eur J Hum Genet. 2010 March; 18(3): 348–353.
    Published online 2009 October 14. doi: 10.1038/ejhg.2009.166


    1st column = Does J1-P58 occur more frequently than J1* in the sample?
    2nd column = Total J1 % in sample
    3rd column = Predominant language
    4th column = Sample size
    5th column = Population


    Note that "Arabic" does not occur among the 2nd and 3rd groups, J1* = J1-P58, and J1* > J1-P58 respectively.


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    --1--	--2--	--3--	--4--	--5--
    Yes	34.8%	Arabic	164	UAE
    Yes	38.0%	Arabic	121	Oman
    Yes	58.3%	Arabic	72	Qatar
    Yes	72.6%	Arabic	62	Yemen
    Yes	48.7%	Arabic	76	Jordan
    Yes	58.8%	Arabic	51	Ismaili Damascus
    Yes	21.1%	Arabic	147	Egypt
    Yes	74.3%	Arabic?	35	Sudan (Khartoum)
    Yes	13.4%	Arabic	172	Galilee Druze
    Yes	67.9%	Arabic	28	Bedouin Negev
    Yes	32.7%	Arabic	49	Palestine
    Yes	47.2%	Arabic	36	Sunni Hama
    Yes	26.8%	Arabic	56	Iraq (Nassiriya)
    Yes	26.7%	Arabic	45	Alawites Syria
    Yes	11.3%	Persian	150	Iran
    Yes	29.2%	Amharic	48	Ethiopia Amhara
    Yes	17.1%	Arabic	35	Sudan-Arabic
    Yes	15.4%	Turkish	52	Turkey 1
    Yes	15.2%	Turkish	33	Turkey 6
    Yes	33.3%	Arabic	12	Saudi Arabia
    Yes	9.5%	Arabic	42	Syrian Catholic Damascus
    Yes	7.4%	Turkish 81	Turkey 9
    Yes	14.7%	Arabic	34	Druzes Djebel Druze
    Yes	11.8%	Kurdish	93	Kurds Iraq
    Yes	14.3%	Arabic	14	Sednaya Syriac Catholic
    Yes	4.7%	Turkish	43	Turkey 5
    Yes	3.3%	Turkish	30	Turkey 8
    Yes	3.3%	Sureth?	30	Assyrian NE Syria  (Eastern Neo-Aramaic ?)
    
    Equal	12.2%	Turkish	82	Turkey 4
    Equal	6.9%	Turkish	29	Turkey 2
    
    No	16.1%	Sureth	31	Assyrian Iran  (Eastern Neo-Aramaic)
    No	6.8%	Aramaic	44	Ma'loula Aramaean  (Western Neo-Aramaic)
    No	5.6%	Turkish	90	Turkey 7
    No	4.9%	Nilo-	61	Sudan-Nilo-saharan
    No	28.6%	Sureth	28	Assyrian Iraq  (Eastern Neo-Aramaic)
    No	9.6%	Turkish	83	Turkey 3
    No	2.6%	Oromo	78	Ethiopia Oromo
    No	20.0%	Sureth	25	Assyrian Turkey  (Eastern Neo-Aramaic)

    EDIT:

    Excluding the Indo-Iranian languages, and Turkish, we have the following breakdown (combined):

    J1-P58 > J1*
    1. Arabic (Semitic) [Afro-Asiatic]
    2. Amharic (Semitic)* [Afro-Asiatic]


    J1* > J1-P58
    1. so-called "Neo-Aramaic" (Semitic) [Afro-Asiatic]
    2. Oromo (Cushitic)** [Afro-Asiatic]
    3. Nilo-Saharan***


    *
    Wikipedia

    Amharic is a Semitic language spoken in Ethiopia. It is the second-most spoken Semitic language in the world, after Arabic, and the official working language of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia.

    **

    Oromo is an Afro-Asiatic language. It is the most widely spoken tongue in the family's Cushitic branch, and the most populous language of Ethiopia. Forms of Oromo are spoken as a first language by more than 20 million Oromo and neighbouring peoples in Ethiopia and parts of northern Kenya.

    ***

    The Nilo-Saharan languages are a proposed family of African languages spoken by some 50 million people, mainly in the upper parts of the Chari and Nile rivers, including historic Nubia, north of where the two tributaries of Nile meet.

    Map showing the distribution of Nilo-Saharan languages


    Anyone with corrections to the languages associated with the above populations, please feel free to post.
    Last edited by Humanist; 10-17-2013 at 04:10 AM.

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    Humanist, do you know where Assyrian J1* could have originated?

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    J1*

    DYS458 - 17.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece ; 2 Italy, Emilia Romagna)

    DYS458 - 18.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece )

    DYS458 - 19.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece ) Ferri 2007

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    Chiaroni never investigated the ancient Northern basal J1 types. Now, after the next-gen. Y full seq. we can understand the J1 movement from the North to the South and the different SNPs and branches.
    http://www.yfull.com/tree/J1/

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    Quote Originally Posted by rokousa View Post
    J1*

    DYS458 - 17.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece ; 2 Italy, Emilia Romagna)

    DYS458 - 18.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece )

    DYS458 - 19.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece ) Ferri 2007
    What is your point?

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    nothing...did you know where ethiopian or greek J1* could have originated?

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    Yes, now we need the Y full sequences of SNPs to obtain more decisive results and comparisons. The SNPs will tell the different origins, trails and chronologies, I hope. I think the professional geneticists can investigate the broader Afro-Eurasian connections in terms of detailed SNPs and I think they have already begun to do this.
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    Here, have a data dump (I don't know much of anything about J):

    Turko-Mongolic minorities in NW China - 0.6% J(xJ2) and 1.7% J2 in Qinghai + Gansu (of 179 men); 1.5% J(xJ2) and 10.6% J2 in Xinjiang (of 274 men).

    Gansu Han Chinese - 1% (2/221) J2a*-M410(xJ2a1a-M322, J2a1b-M67, J2a1d-M319, J2a1h1-M158)

    Uyghurs from Xinjiang - 14% (27/187) - 1/187 J*, 1/187 J1, 1/187 J2a1b, 20/187 J2a* (as above), 3/187 J2b*(xJ2b1-M205, J2b2-M241), 1/187 J2b2

    Ningxia Hui (NW Chinese Muslims) 13% (8/62) J - 1/62 J1, 2/62 J2a1b, 5/62 J2a*

    Mongolians - 4% J (7/160) - 2/160 J1a2b-Page8, 2/160 J2a*(xJ2a1-Page55), 1/160 J2a1*(xJ2a1a, J2a1b, J2a1h), 1/160 J2a1b*(xJ2a1b-M92), 1/160 J2a1h-M530

    Generally J is found at low to very low frequencies across northern China, Tibet, and Siberia. Seems like rather a mixed bag of subclades.

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